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Old 11-24-2005, 07:24 AM   #1
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So why exactly is Ric Flair IC champ?
In the past few months, whoever has been booking Ric Flairs feud, has shown themselves to be total dickheads when it comes to booking feuds around titles.

What exactly was the point in putting the title on Ric Flair?It was fine when there was a feud between Shelton and Carlito but then what happened?I can't help but think HHH/Flair did something backstage in order to mess the Carlito/Shelton storyline up, in order to help Flair get the IC title for the first time.And lets be honest, if those two want to have their way around the place, the writers wont argue.But they have done as much as they can to bury the IC title in this feud imo,all through the cage match I heard comments like 'this is more than just being about the title!' it's that kind of thing that annoys me.

Now yes, the feud was more than just about the title, so why the fuck did the title come into the feud in the first place?If it was to build up the feud(which I think might've been the reason) then atleast have Flair lose it soon after, have HHH cost him the title to Masters or something, that would give Masters some good heel heat.I just don't see why the title is on Ric Flair and he's hardly ever defending it.Anyone agree?
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Old 11-24-2005, 07:49 AM   #2
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i do, the IC title was supposed to give mid-carders something to go for. Flair having it is BS and why would Triple H want it... he's WWE championship material

let flair get "injured" and throw a IC tournament, we might get a couple of good matches out of it
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Old 11-24-2005, 07:51 AM   #3
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fuck Ric Flair and his saggy old skin
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Old 11-24-2005, 07:53 AM   #4
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Giving Flair the title did a number of things:

Helped get him more over as a face

Elevated the title in theory as he's a former 16 champ (not the greatest argument granted)

The feud with HHH has given the belt a higher profile on the show

The fact that Flair has the title means that HHH won't go over, that's a great reason!

In short, Flair deserves something for his efforts in the WWE, the guys better now than he was 5 years ago when WCW was folding, which is incredible really considering his age. He can't really have the world title again, so this, this is like his world title 'thank you' run. Much like Hogan's last world title run.

After SS when the mid carders need feuds the title will be passed along again, but right now I don't really see a major problem with it being on Ric
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my question is... who could go after flair for the title after Triple H??

Shelton
Carlito (i doubt it)
Masters (build up his rep if Flair puts him over)

anyone else??
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my question is... who could go after flair for the title after Triple H??

Shelton
Carlito (i doubt it)
Masters (build up his rep if Flair puts him over)

anyone else??
Conway would make sense given his Legends thing he was doing
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true he could use a push...

anybody "new" you think might get a huge push out of this??
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Old 11-24-2005, 08:14 AM   #8
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Conway would make sense given his Legends thing he was doing
True. But he had his shot a few weeks ago.

I remember being pissed of that he lost.

But i agree the IC title should be for up and coming stars who are not far off the main event. Not Stars that have already gone the distance.
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Old 11-24-2005, 10:16 AM   #10
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i do, the IC title was supposed to give mid-carders something to go for. Flair having it is BS and why would Triple H want it... he's WWE championship material
HHH will invoke the long-forgotten "Number One Contender" clause.
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Old 11-24-2005, 10:19 AM   #11
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yeah, Flair having the IC title sucks. especially when he's involved in a feud with HHH.
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I, for one, still think Flair can get it done in the ring. No, he's not at his prime, but unlike Hogan I think Flair has come to terms with that... I mean, come on. You show me ONE man Flair's age who does what Flair does. There is only one space mountian.

Anywho, no championship, regardless of what Triple H want's you to think, can last forever. I think Rosey, Helms, Tajiri, Big Vis, or Chavo could hold the title, but the question is how do you get it off Flair without making Flair look like he's back in WCW/Totally stupid?

Have Triple H "injure" him... yeah... Put Triple H over and have him say he doesn't want the title... Minus 34 points for the IC title.

I would like to see Naich drop the title on his own. Cut a promo talking about how he's not in his prime (but space mountian is still open, baby! Woooo!) and say these are people who he scouted for the title. Make a tournament that happens either in one night Ala old school king of the ring, or spread it out over a month... But not a battle royal.
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i can see it now Triple H v.s. some random person, HHH beats the hell out of em', now the person is gone due to injury and we have more space for the top tier wrestlers. (works for me)
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Fuck Flair. At his age he has no right to hold any championship. I don't care what he's done. The title was doing fine until he came along and went into a feud where the title obviously means jack shit. If Flair doesn't put someone over in a HUGE way I am going to be pissed. And for some reason I see Triple H screwing Flair out of the title and having a potential feud completely nullified between Flair and the new champion.

I'm sure Hunter sees this feud as putting himself over much farther than he is just because he's going to beat his "former" best friend in a big match, who is "coincidentally" a former 16 time world champion.

It's the same with Hogan. He should have never won the WWE championship in his 2003 (2002?) run. If he came back for 2, 3 years solid, should he get the IC title and feud in a high profile feud where the title means jack shit? Fuck no.

Anyone who has retired and has come back past 50 should not be in a title scene. They should be managing and maybe putting over younger stars in non-title matches.
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is the title on the line for their match at survivor series?
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I, for one, still think Flair can get it done in the ring. No, he's not at his prime, but unlike Hogan I think Flair has come to terms with that... I mean, come on. You show me ONE man Flair's age who does what Flair does. There is only one space mountian.
I, for one, think Flair is more entertaining than most of the wrestlers on TV right now. I think this is patently a BAD thing.
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Giving Flair the title did a number of things:

Helped get him more over as a face

Elevated the title in theory as he's a former 16 champ (not the greatest argument granted)

The feud with HHH has given the belt a higher profile on the show

The fact that Flair has the title means that HHH won't go over, that's a great reason!

In short, Flair deserves something for his efforts in the WWE, the guys better now than he was 5 years ago when WCW was folding, which is incredible really considering his age. He can't really have the world title again, so this, this is like his world title 'thank you' run. Much like Hogan's last world title run.

After SS when the mid carders need feuds the title will be passed along again, but right now I don't really see a major problem with it being on Ric
1) How does Flair need to get more over as a face?You hear endless 'woooo' chants whenever his matches are on.

2)That was the first thing that came to my mind when he won the title, but since then the IC title seems to of been forgotten about.Flair should atleast put the title on the line in his matches against people like Murdoch.(see this weeks Raw)That would give it credibility.

3)No it hasn't given it higher profile at all,imo.And thats the point. Basically, HHH is World Championship material, so we all know he doesn't care about the IC title, so that makes us care less about the title.The whole point in giving someone a title is to build a feud around it and make both wrestlers want it, in this feud, you can not seriously tell me that that is the case.

4)HHH will go over eventually, i can't see him winning at the PPV because Flair hasn't lost the title yet,(should've happened at the raw in the uk, but titles can't change hands outside of America without them changing back straight away).but just because Flair has the IC title, it doesn't mean that HHH wont go over.I think Flair will win at the PPV, then lose the title the night after thanks to HHH, and then HHH will go over Flair.

And as for your last argument, that is also what I was thinking, but again back to my point-they havent really used the title much in this feud have they?Listen to the cage match and hear the commentators saying "this is more than just about the title!"
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Giving Flair the IC title is one of the best things WWE has done in years.
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but the thing is who is going to beat flair? it's gotta be done in a way that makes it look credable BUT it's gotta be somewhat "real" to the eyes of the fans, that's gonna be a fun one to pull off

and i dont think Carlito could do that.
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is the title on the line for their match at survivor series?

Funnily enough,no.
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but the thing is who is going to beat flair? it's gotta be done in a way that makes it look credable BUT it's gotta be somewhat "real" to the eyes of the fans, that's gonna be a fun one to pull off

and i dont think Carlito could do that.
It's got to be Masters.
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Giving Flair the IC title is one of the best things WWE has done in years.

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cmon man, that's like saying let's give eugene the WWE title
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I hope you're being sarcastic.
Nope.

Did you see his reaction when he won it? The crowd went crazy it was good for the title to get attention like that.
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cmon man, that's like saying let's give eugene the WWE title
Hey, they gave it to one retard...
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cmon man, that's like saying let's give eugene the WWE title
Yes cause Eugene and Ric Flair are on the same level
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Old 11-24-2005, 10:59 AM   #29
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same level as in WWE wise? cause it sure as hell aint Style'in and Profile'in WOOOOooooo
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Old 11-24-2005, 11:00 AM   #30
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Nope.

Did you see his reaction when he won it? The crowd went crazy it was good for the title to get attention like that.
And once again no matter how many times i say my point, someone misses it.....
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Old 11-24-2005, 11:00 AM   #31
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Hey, they gave it to one retard...
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I missed it. What was it?
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Er, here's a tip legend: Try reading what i actually wrote!
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Of course it gave it a higher profile. He defended it against HHH at Taboo Tuesday in a very good Cage match.

Also does it matter since Carlito did absoulty nothing with the title, and Ric Flair is actaully doing something with it?
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Old 11-24-2005, 11:03 AM   #35
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If Triple H turned face he'd get a huge pop too. So by your logic, if Hunter/Hogan/Austin won a title it would be the greatest thing the WWE has done in years if they get a title?

Where were you in 2004?
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1) How does Flair need to get more over as a face?You hear endless 'woooo' chants whenever his matches are on.

2)That was the first thing that came to my mind when he won the title, but since then the IC title seems to of been forgotten about.Flair should atleast put the title on the line in his matches against people like Murdoch.(see this weeks Raw)That would give it credibility.

3)No it hasn't given it higher profile at all,imo.And thats the point. Basically, HHH is World Championship material, so we all know he doesn't care about the IC title, so that makes us care less about the title.The whole point in giving someone a title is to build a feud around it and make both wrestlers want it, in this feud, you can not seriously tell me that that is the case.

4)HHH will go over eventually, i can't see him winning at the PPV because Flair hasn't lost the title yet,(should've happened at the raw in the uk, but titles can't change hands outside of America without them changing back straight away).but just because Flair has the IC title, it doesn't mean that HHH wont go over.I think Flair will win at the PPV, then lose the title the night after thanks to HHH, and then HHH will go over Flair.

And as for your last argument, that is also what I was thinking, but again back to my point-they havent really used the title much in this feud have they?Listen to the cage match and hear the commentators saying "this is more than just about the title!"
1. Yeah, people already wanted to cheer him because he's a name in a sea of useless n00bs.

2. They haven't forgotten about it, they've just ignored actually defending it. Now Benjamin, they've forgotten about.

3. IT's the whole "big names=credibility" thing. Even though we know he doesn't want or need the title, doesn't care, and is gunning for Flair only because it's a good way to get on TV.
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but sooner or later he's gotta pass it on, that's why i stated in the first few posts that there should be a IC tourny and that way we might get some good matches out of it plus it could be given to a person that "BAH-GAWD!!, HE NEVER QUIT!!" (lol)
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Of course it gave it a higher profile. He defended it against HHH at Taboo Tuesday in a very good Cage match.

Also does it matter since Carlito did absoulty nothing with the title, and Ric Flair is actaully doing something with it?
What's Flair doing with it? Feuding with someone who doesn't need nor want (EVEN IN THE STORYLINES) the IC title? Bullshit.
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Nope.

Did you see his reaction when he won it? The crowd went crazy it was good for the title to get attention like that.
The crowd also pops pretty good for Scotty 2 Hotty. Doesn't mean we should book him to win a belt.

Hell, I was to events before Long became a personality where he got bigger pops than the actual wrestlers. Shall we put the title on a ref, and make it the greatest day ever?
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