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Old 01-07-2006, 04:53 PM   #1
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Great Blunders of 2005
these are just a few that come to mind.

1. the release of Christian & Jericho - i guess it was either that or sugar coat them and shove them down our throats - and seeing as how they didnt meet the height/weight requirements for this course of action...

2. Shelton Benjamin's Losing Streak - yes. use the most promising rising star to put over a slew of less talented rising stars. WTF!!! is it cuz he's black?

3. re-vamping of the Women's Division - i do not know or care who is the current Women's Champion. those matches all get fast-forwarded now. thank god for T-VO.
4. cancellation of the Kerwin White character - sorry, but the tragic death of Eddie Guerrero is not going to generate any newfound interest in Chavo classic.

5. wwe homecoming - and any other vehicle that showcases linda, shane, & stephanie. 1. the particular episode was a piece of shit. 2. it teased that the new direction of the company was going to be to re-introduce the macmahon family as the emphasis of wwe programming. thank god that didnt happen.
6. the undertaker's new tights - eek! or as my wife put it, "scary on the top - gay on the bottom."

7. speaking of the undertaker - the wwe's failure to turn him heel.
the man is hated by many, and rightly so. this cocksucker only does pay-per-views. the problem is that between ppv's we are not rid of him because we are 'treated' to 'supernatural video clips from beyond the grave'. man, talk about phoning it in. i guess that to do anything with his character other than a costume modification here and there would require that this lazy prick acutally do a little work, so never mind. but i'm just saying, the undertaker supposedly destroyed Randy Orton in Hell in a Cell at the last ppv, but who is it that has been back since then, performing, quite well in fact? not the undertaker, that's who. [/
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Old 01-07-2006, 04:55 PM   #2
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But they didn't release Chrisitan or Jericho
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Old 01-07-2006, 04:58 PM   #3
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You missed out Hassan's release
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Old 01-07-2006, 04:58 PM   #4
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I disagree about Kerwin White completely.

It would be completely disrespectful for Eddie to have given his life for the business and Kerwin just goes on about how all the latino's suck, when his uncle was a legend.
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Old 01-07-2006, 04:59 PM   #5
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oh yeah, what about Hassan as well?
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Jericho and Christian left on their terms
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Old 01-07-2006, 05:01 PM   #7
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How exactly did they revamp the Women's Division?
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But they didn't release Chrisitan or Jericho
yes. you are right. what i meant was their failure to create an environment where those two particular wrestlers could remain and still have their dignity intact.
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How exactly did they revamp the Women's Division?
They fired the ones who could wrestle
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How exactly did they revamp the Women's Division?
exactly how long have you been watching wrestling, friend?
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Old 01-07-2006, 05:12 PM   #11
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I disagree about Kerwin White completely.

It would be completely disrespectful for Eddie to have given his life for the business and Kerwin just goes on about how all the latino's suck, when his uncle was a legend.
mkay. well how long do you suppose everyone is gonna go on pretending to like Chavo out of respect for Eddie.
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exactly how long have you been watching wrestling, friend?
Long enough to know I never want to see another Chyna or Man-ly Women
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mkay. well how long do you suppose everyone is gonna go on pretending to like Chavo out of respect for Eddie.
I think for a least six months. Remember Eddie only died like a month and a half ago. Once the cheers go down, do what the hell you like, but it would've been wrong for him to still be Kerwin White right now at the moment.
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Old 01-07-2006, 05:16 PM   #16
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Christian leaving was a failure of the WWE, because of the attitude they had towars him. That was their fault. Jericho may have been unavoidable.
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You missed out Hassan's release
this is an open thread and the list i made is not all inclusive, and are my opinion only. i encourage others to add to this thread.

as far as Hassan's release, was it a blunder? in my opinion, yes, definately. i am one of the few people on this forum that feel that the insurgents 'beheding' the undertaker incident was inapropriate material for a wrestling angle. this is neither Hassan's fault nor should it have led to him being released.

i was never a big fan of his because i do not care for "racial" gimmicks. he was, however a good in ring performer with descent mic skills. but i will add that it is also my opinion that Hassan is over-rated on this forum.
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Old 01-07-2006, 05:33 PM   #18
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A couple things you missed

-The botching (or in Splaya's case, the ball dropping) of the Matt Hardy/Edge/Lita storyline

-Christian/Cena never happening

-Not just the streak, but everything they've made Shelton do post-WM 21

-WWE creative
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Old 01-07-2006, 05:40 PM   #19
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Cena/Christian was happening, but then WWE screwed it up and made it a triple threat??? While I agree Jericho deserved a title shot, it stole Christian's spotlight.
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Old 01-07-2006, 05:55 PM   #21
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Old 01-07-2006, 05:57 PM   #22
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A couple things you missed

-The botching (or in Splaya's case, the ball dropping) of the Matt Hardy/Edge/Lita storyline

-Christian/Cena never happening

-Not just the streak, but everything they've made Shelton do post-WM 21

-WWE creative


in addition to the rest

- completely burying christian on Sd!

- releasing Charlie Haas
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failure to use Shawn Micheals as a heel after his match with Hogan - Shawn Micheals was getting the biggest cheers in a long time as a heel vs. Hogan, and as soon as that match was over - faggy babyface character. gay for Jesus.

another blunder: Hogan victorious vs. Shawn Micheals in that match. ^^
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Dragging out the poorly executed Orton/Taker feud. I don't mind Taker squashing another up-and-comer as much as I mind how dragged out it is. IF they wanted to carry this to a head somewhere down the line, they should have made it a little less repetitive.
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In WWE defense of burying Christian on SD. He hadn't reworked his contract so they weren't going to push a guy who's future was unstable in the WWE.
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Hogan coming out at Homecoming and starting hype for Hogan vs Austin.

That turned out to be a great feud
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Hogan coming out at Homecoming and starting hype for Hogan vs Austin.

That turned out to be a great feud
wish that feud happened though. The match would suck ass but its a dream match I have wanted to see for a long time.
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In WWE defense of burying Christian on SD. He hadn't reworked his contract so they weren't going to push a guy who's future was unstable in the WWE.
They werent going to treat him better period.

They went beyond that, to kill any momentum he had. Honestly, this is a bad place to try and defend the WWE.
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Now The WWE would push Christian with the no steriod policy. He would have been their poster boy. Just like Murdoch is going to be.

They really didn't start to kill him untl like August or September when his contract was up in the air. Before that he was still stuck in the midcard, but not really buried yet
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Dragging out the poorly executed Orton/Taker feud. I don't mind Taker squashing another up-and-comer as much as I mind how dragged out it is. IF they wanted to carry this to a head somewhere down the line, they should have made it a little less repetitive.
what a lazy piece of trash the undertaker came off as too. i cant even call that a feud. it was pretty much a one man show where the undertaker's participation was 'implied' most of the time.
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Old 01-07-2006, 07:43 PM   #31
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Now The WWE would push Christian with the no steriod policy. He would have been their poster boy. Just like Murdoch is going to be.

They really didn't start to kill him untl like August or September when his contract was up in the air. Before that he was still stuck in the midcard, but not really buried yet
You folks keep coming up with hypotheticals, ignoring the fact that Vince was the one who treated him with disregard. Christian was a professional here, Vince was the one who pissed in his cereal. I can understand if you don't like him or whatever, but you're essentially making up these hypotheticals that are meaningless. Christian lost interest when Vince said he was just a midcarder, and left.

I know. Poor Vince. He shit on a potential star, and then he left.
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what a lazy piece of trash the undertaker came off as too. i cant even call that a feud. it was pretty much a one man show where the undertaker's participation was 'implied' most of the time.
And lame as fuck.
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WWE basically tried to call a bluff in Christian, thinking there was no way he wouldn't resign with them. Little did they know Christian flopped the nut straight, and walked.
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Vince really isn't that great a businessman. He's negotiated himself out of several stars, out of his TV contract on one station (and possibly UPN in the future, the move to Friday is a bad portent), and really...Quite a bit.
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You folks keep coming up with hypotheticals, ignoring the fact that Vince was the one who treated him with disregard. Christian was a professional here, Vince was the one who pissed in his cereal. I can understand if you don't like him or whatever, but you're essentially making up these hypotheticals that are meaningless. Christian lost interest when Vince said he was just a midcarder, and left.

I know. Poor Vince. He shit on a potential star, and then he left.
I will never say poor Vince when the man makes millions of dollars a year. I will never say that. NEVER

He was never in a main event program on Raw and I don't know why I guess could be because of his physique. That's just me speculating on it, but I think it's somewhat reasonable speclation. I wish Christian when he was on RAW was in the main event, but unfortuanately it didn't happen. Christian was very professional throughout his whole career, and had every right to want to move on and I think he made a good decision by leaving. I love Christian Cage in TNA he has made much better IMO, and probably fits in better then he does WWE.

I was talking about when he was on SD in the last 2 or 3 months of his WWE career. No way if your contract still in the air are you gonna get a push. That's just the way it works.
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I will not say that Vince McMahon hasn't had some to do with the company's success. However, this man has to realize what the hell he is doing.

-HHH's days as the top man in the business i feel are behind him. He will not draw the way he used to back in 00'-'01. And for him to bury and/or hold down potentials that the WWE will NEED to keep the company running, then that is just selfishness and not looking into the future in his part. Period. I don't really care if i get heat for "HHH bashing" but its the damn truth and everyone knows it. i dont take anything away from what he has done with the likes of Austin, Rock, Mankind, Angle, etc. but you MUST think about the future.

-I personally think Vince has taken in more credit than due. i don't think that Vince told The Rock, Mankind, HHH, or other stars how to use their characters. From what i hear, that was improvision from the actual stars, along with writers. I personally believe the last thing he had something to do with was the "Mr. America" angle and/or those repetitive drafts. Has his name on too much shit.

-Potential fueds that could have been just piss me off. Christian/Cena. That right there could have made Christian one of the premiere babyfaces and Cena a dominant heel. Cena was way over due for a heel turn anyway. Why not do it then. Christian was already getting some "Orton" heel pops. Shelton, i dont even want to get into this that much. The man was one of those guys that made you think "its only a matter of time" when he defeated HHH 2x. But post WM21, i dont know what the hell is going on.

-Paul Heyman should be, if he's still there..i haven't been keeping up, higher up as a booker or official than he is. Ideas, ideas, ideas.....If it wasn't for this man's idea of hardcore wrestling, the WWE wouldn't have had an "Attitude Era".

Sorry, i just had to rant. i really think that Vince took both WCW and ECW's good points and made his own out of those two, which is a good brainstorm, but he gets WAY too much credit IMO.

Just SOME stuff off my chest.
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