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Old 03-17-2007, 09:38 AM   #1
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Arrow "The Next Big Thing" (is not Brock Lesnar)
Do you guys think anyone in the WWE or TNA right now has the potential to be the next Rock, Hogan or Austin? Or do you think the right guy isn't there yet? I know they're trying to push Lashley and Cena, but I mean a guy who brings the ratings back up into the 6's or 7's again and whose name will live on forever. Do you think anyone in the WWE or TNA right now can make another big "boom period" happen, or will we need to wait for someone else?

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Old 03-17-2007, 10:31 AM   #2
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Cena could have been if they didn't change his character into a lame vanilla wannabe.
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Old 03-17-2007, 11:21 AM   #3
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There not really an answer. I remember everyone talking about how Cena and Orton were the next Rock and Austin back in 04. Didn't pan out.
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Old 03-17-2007, 11:24 AM   #4
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I think Orton could potentially be. But no italics can stress the word potentially enough.
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Old 03-17-2007, 11:33 AM   #5
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Nah, I think his ship has sailed. He could get over bigger and be a sucess, but seriously, they've already given him the world title push, he's been around for so long and done so many high profile fueds. He's not exactly potential in a bottle. He's wasted and failed potential that could get a second chance.
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Old 03-17-2007, 11:43 AM   #6
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I think they've kinda hit the reset button on him though and we all know how the WWE just likes to pretend stuff never happened. I dont know if he'll ever make it to Rock-level but I think he still could. WWE could package him that way but along with some of your points I dont know if the entire fanbase will receive him that way.
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Old 03-17-2007, 11:54 AM   #7
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First of all when you talk about Rock level, you're talking about a fucking goat. The most successful mainstream crossover star, a god amongst fans and arguably the biggest star in the history of wrestling, with only one or two names that could even be uttered in the same breath.

So when you say Randy Orton has potential to be the next Rock now, you better have some fuckin strong confidence in his ability to be so. And as for the entire fanbase, well if you get a huge push and don't have the entire fanbase then you're not The Rock or Austin, you're John Cena.
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Old 03-17-2007, 11:57 AM   #8
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WWE could package him that way but along with some of your points I dont know if the entire fanbase will receive him that way.
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I agree. I dont know if it will work, I think he could be as over as The Rock but I doubt the WWE's ability to successfully package him that way and also doubt if the whole fanbase will receive him that way.




And he needs to learn a little more improv skills rather than running in and out of the ring with a chair.
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:00 PM   #9
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I also think the more they try to make Orton like the Rock or Lashley or Batista like Lesnar, the less likely they will be to succeed. I think they guys that seem destined to be "the next big thing" rarely are (Diesel or Brock Lesnar, anyone?) and that what catches fire often times is just as suprising. I think the guys who tend to be in the mold of a previous performer virtually always fail, and I think it's because they bring nothing new to the table. They're just a watered down version of the performer they're emulating. Agree or disagree?
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:01 PM   #10
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I think he's got a lot of the same gifts as The Rock. However he lacks that charismatic ring presence, and he's not as "electrifying" as ridiculous as that may sound. He's way more slow paced than the exciting Rock.

And the most glaring difference is the mic skills. Rock is one of the best ever, Orton isn't anything special. Not bad, but certainly not great.
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:02 PM   #11
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Jericho was the next big thing in 2000. And I mean that.
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:07 PM   #12
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Orton has, i would say, slightly above average mic skills, so in that department he is nowhere near The Rock. And I agree that you cant try and make him like anyone else. He has to be his own character that gets him over.
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:09 PM   #13
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Jericho was the next big thing in 2000. And I mean that.
That got me thinking, that if Jericho were to come back. Long term, not just for a couple of appearances. If Jericho came back I think he could be on that level. Because there is such a lack of that kind of guy right now, he would have the spotlight almost entirely to himself and he would be "the guy" in the company (if WWE would let him). I think the fans would receive him has the savior of wrestling this time, too.
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:10 PM   #14
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Yea dude, if he comes back at a time where he's got the oppurtunity to be the guy, his time off may have been the best thing to ever happen to him.
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:39 PM   #15
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Jericho has the most potential right now, to be the biggest superstar in the world today, but he is NOT going to get the ratings to Rock or Austin levels. I honestly just don't think there is anyone, in any promotion, on any level, who is going to be the next HUGE name star. Orton could have been the next Triple H, but as before mentioned his ship sailed. I think Jericho and Orton are really the only two people with potential huge drawing power, and yet I don't think either is going to get the right chance to shine at the right time.
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HAHAHAHA OMFG anyone watch Reymon14's newest youtube shoot?

he touches on this exact topic and predicts the new Rock will be....................................








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Old 03-17-2007, 03:02 PM   #19
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HAHAHAHA OMFG anyone watch Reymon14's newest youtube shoot?

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MVP sucks, but dude you must realize nothing matters now to what happens tomorrow.

If you told me Rocky "smiles" Maivia and Stunning Steve Austin would each become as big as Hogan, I'd be ROFL too.
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if MVP becomes the next big thing, Reymon's true genius will be confirmed.
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Orton, a face Edge in his current character, Lashley (simply because they won't stop pushing him), Cena, Kennedy, Punk... all have their potential.
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The thing is you can't predict who will be amazing and even if you had a hint of what they could be there's no real way to say just how far they'll go. It's a matter of taking advantage of a hot act that just spontaneously takes off.
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Old 03-17-2007, 03:25 PM   #23
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I see the MVP thing...I mean the guy is like the rock version 2...except the whole sucking thing...
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Orton, a face Edge in his current character, Lashley (simply because they won't stop pushing him), Cena, Kennedy, Punk... all have their potential.
Cena? I mean, I agree but how much bigger can he be. He's gotten the biggest push since probably Hogan in the 80s. And in a few weeks, the case will likely be that he won and retained the title in his third consecutive wrestlemania, going over Shawn Michaels. Since he's had the title for 2 years aside from momentary drops, and has gone over everyone the company can throw at him I don't see how they can make him any bigger.
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I see the MVP thing...I mean the guy is like the rock version 2...except the whole sucking thing...

OK, as long as he's doing that stupid Overdrive move, he's not going anywhere. That's a guarantee.
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Cena? I mean, I agree but how much bigger can he be. He's gotten the biggest push since probably Hogan in the 80s. And in a few weeks, the case will likely be that he won and retained the title in his third consecutive wrestlemania, going over Shawn Michaels. Since he's had the title for 2 years aside from momentary drops, and has gone over everyone the company can throw at him I don't see how they can make him any bigger.

Getting pushed means nothing. It's how many fans you can attract that's going to measure the success one has had.
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I just wish they'd push Edge harder. Even as a heel, he could still be pretty big for them. Personally, I dont see him as having potential to be the next Rock or Austin by any means, unless he pulled an onforseen face turn and got over huge that way.
But as a heel and draw, I see him being somewhere along the lines of HHH if they allow him to be. Always on top, always making others look good, and always being a solid heel to build fueds and new talent around as well as being a major supporting player for the big faces.
They just have to allow him to be. And the problem is maybe they don't see him as physically big enough to build as a dominant heel, rather than a sneaky cheating one. Which is a shame because Vince is still hung up on size.
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Don't forget, so is the audience. Size is a large factor in the mids of the average fans, especially women and children.
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despite our bitching, cena has become what WWE wanted him to be, and he has potential for continued growth. Just because he's not Austin or Hogan doesn't mean he can't be the companys top draw and lead horse. Think Bret.

(not even comparing Bret and Cena in any way shape or form, other than company role)
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It'd bet Cena can out draw Bret (domestically.)
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Alex Shelley. He might be a bit undersized, but he has 'it', I don't doubt that for a second.

Kennedy seems to have his head screwed on straight too, if they don't go crazy and shove him down everyone's throats he could be very big.
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I don't see much in Shelly. One of the more over-ratted guys out there in my eyes. But everybody has their own tastes, not gonna argue about him.
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I see a bigtime superstar in Kenny who is left out from the WrestleMania equation. Wwe is wasting talents like Chris Masters, Carlito, Simon Dean, Sylvan, Conway and many more on the hitlist.
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I don't see much in Shelly. One of the more over-ratted guys out there in my eyes. But everybody has their own tastes, not gonna argue about him.
I would say the reason so many people on here gush over Shelley is because they have likened him to Chris Jericho. And since they compare him to Jericho, they want him to become him. Personally, I see it but only superficially. I don't see much potential in him outside of being a mid to uppermidcard player.
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Cena? I mean, I agree but how much bigger can he be. He's gotten the biggest push since probably Hogan in the 80s. And in a few weeks, the case will likely be that he won and retained the title in his third consecutive wrestlemania, going over Shawn Michaels. Since he's had the title for 2 years aside from momentary drops, and has gone over everyone the company can throw at him I don't see how they can make him any bigger.
That's the point, that can't MAKE him bigger, it just has to happen. As long as a guy has the main tools (mic skills, charisma, marketable look) then anyone can make it big.
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It'd bet Cena can out draw Bret (domestically.)
He probably already has, on a scale of Bret's best year vs Cena's best year. Main difference is that nowadays WWE is more of an ensemble drawing card, relying on the WWE name and the whole card rather than just one top guy like back in Bret's day (even tho the lower card guys' pay doesn't reflect this).
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I just wish they'd push Edge harder. Even as a heel, he could still be pretty big for them. Personally, I dont see him as having potential to be the next Rock or Austin by any means, unless he pulled an onforseen face turn and got over huge that way.
But as a heel and draw, I see him being somewhere along the lines of HHH if they allow him to be. Always on top, always making others look good, and always being a solid heel to build fueds and new talent around as well as being a major supporting player for the big faces.
They just have to allow him to be. And the problem is maybe they don't see him as physically big enough to build as a dominant heel, rather than a sneaky cheating one. Which is a shame because Vince is still hung up on size.
I agree about Edge being somewhere along the lines of HHH.
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