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Old 05-06-2007, 04:12 AM   #1
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The Kliq is overrated
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:56 AM   #2
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The only one that's done anything worth of merit has been Shawn Michaels. Nash is one of the worst drawing champions of all time, Hall's personal problems kept biting him in the ass, HHH got over through sheer force and will power after floundering in the mid-card for years, and Waltman barely qualifies as a Kliq member.
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Old 05-06-2007, 05:06 AM   #3
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Old 05-06-2007, 05:08 AM   #4
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The WWE allegedly ran off of it. Must've been some pretty crappy gas mileage formula.
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Old 05-06-2007, 08:08 AM   #6
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Then....Diesel and HBK were champs in a down era, so you can't blame them for their poor draw. They did no worse than Bret Hart, actually better. Scott Hall and Waltman were solid mid carders. HHH was nothing.....then the MSG Incident happened....and a few guys went south.

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HBK is single handedly the greatest in ring performer ever, and he is one of the top guys the WWE ever had, even with a 4 year down time. he trained some of the best guys to ever hit the Indy Scene and has kept the Raw main Event afloat for the last couple years as the Top Face vice Cena.

Nash and Hall made the NWO....and we all know how that went. They won the Monday night Battles for over a year, but lost the war. He may have screwed things as a booker, btu there would be nothing to ruin without him as a single draw.

Hall had hard times, he will never be the top guy he could have been, but being one of the best 2nd tier guys is still amazing, its more than guys like Edge will ever see.

Waltman is till talked about today, he will go down as a 3rd tier guy, along with guys like Val Venis and Rikishi. Guys who had good runs into the Main event but never were much else. He was a huge part of DX and will not be forgotten. He is the type of guys that people who dont watch still ask what happened to.

and HHH like it or love it is the face of this business for the rest of his life. When he steps back he is going to run the company with his family.






So yeah, pretty impressive Group, more so than, say, the Heart Foundation
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Old 05-06-2007, 08:08 AM   #7
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Then....Diesel and HBK were champs in a down era, so you can't blame them for their poor draw. They did no worse than Bret Hart, actually better. Scott Hall and Waltman were solid mid carders. HHH was nothing.....then the MSG Incident happened....and a few guys went south.

Now....

HBK is single handedly the greatest in ring performer ever, and he is one of the top guys the WWE ever had, even with a 4 year down time. he trained some of the best guys to ever hit the Indy Scene and has kept the Raw main Event afloat for the last couple years as the Top Face vice Cena.

Nash and Hall made the NWO....and we all know how that went. They won the Monday night Battles for over a year, but lost the war. He may have screwed things as a booker, btu there would be nothing to ruin without him as a single draw.

Hall had hard times, he will never be the top guy he could have been, but being one of the best 2nd tier guys is still amazing, its more than guys like Edge will ever see.

Waltman is till talked about today, he will go down as a 3rd tier guy, along with guys like Val Venis and Rikishi. Guys who had good runs into the Main event but never were much else. He was a huge part of DX and will not be forgotten. He is the type of guys that people who dont watch still ask what happened to.

and HHH like it or love it is the face of this business for the rest of his life. When he steps back he is going to run the company with his family.






So yeah, pretty impressive Group, more so than, say, the Hart Foundation
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:51 AM   #8
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Skippord, I swear to fucking god you just sit around and figure out how to piss me off. Since you gave no points or ideas, I shall return with only a couple of thoughts.

SHAWN MICHAELS: No matter how you look at it, one of, if not the best in ring performer of all time.

TRIPLE H: The best heel in the history of professional wrestling. Not to mention a masterful technician.

KEVIN NASH: The heart and soul behind the nWo. Period. In 1999 was voted in the top 5 most recognizable wrestlers of all time.

SCOTT HALL: One of the most entertaining people to ever step in the squared circle.

SEAN WALTMAN: For being the runt of a group, he was a damn fine worker. Widely credited with introducing America to the small style of wrestling.

Those 5 men changed professional wrestling forever. If it weren't for them, no nWo and no DX. MICHAELS and HALL changed the entire way a match was paced in the 90's. NASH came in and gave big men three dimensions. WALTMAN forged a new path in style for the largest wrestling market in the world. HUNTER may be the best well rounded wrestler of all time. I said I would make this short, but I'll finish with this; there is no group (kayfabe or otherwise) in professional wrestling to make a bigger impact, to make more money, or to have a collection of "Match of the Year" than those guys. You look at the greatest moments over the past decade and a half, and you will see it involved at least one of them...or Austin.
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The One, I like you, but look how easy it is to spin things like that:

PAUL LONDON: Can work a technical style, and can fly. He's charismatic, got a cult fanbase, and has put on some of the more fun matches of the new millennium. With Brian Kendrick, he reinvigorated tag team wrestling.

BRIAN KENDRICK: Trained by Shawn Michaels, and bridges the gap between serious wrestling and comedy, which is a necessity in this era. With Paul London, he has carried tag team wrestling in the WWE.

VAL VENIS: Carries himself perfectly in the ring. He can bump, wrestle, fly, talk, apply psychology, and knows how to take a match by the reigns and give it realistic substance. If Venis was an asshole, he could be up there with Triple H as a "total package" wrestler.

Seriously, how you can call indie guys overrated, guys who haven't even gotten a chance in the bigger promotions of the industry, and yet sing the praises of these guys blindly is pretty hypocritical.
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:18 PM   #10
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I wouldn't call the tag division 'reinvigorated'.
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:20 PM   #11
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:26 PM   #12
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SHAWN MICHAELS: No matter how you look at it, one of, if not the best in ring performer of all time.

TRIPLE H: The best heel in the history of professional wrestling. Not to mention a masterful technician.

KEVIN NASH: The heart and soul behind the nWo. Period. In 1999 was voted in the top 5 most recognizable wrestlers of all time.

SCOTT HALL: One of the most entertaining people to ever step in the squared circle.

SEAN WALTMAN: For being the runt of a group, he was a damn fine worker. Widely credited with introducing America to the small style of wrestling.
Shawn Michaels is a great wrestler. One of the greatest. I wouldn't call him the greatest, though. I won't argue too much with you on this, though. HBK will be remembered for being a great overlooked performer of the past, and training some of wrestling's brightest stars (Lance Cade, Bryan Danielson, Paul London, Brian Kendrick, Tomko? All of them are better than some men to hold a World Championship).

Triple H is not the best heel in professional wrestling history. Sure, he really pissed people off because he fluked his way to the top on adequate skills, guys breaking their backs for him, and banging the boss' spawn. He's not a bad technician, but he wouldn't even make the top ten in the WWE. He owes most of his in-ring success to his psychology, which was great at times, especially before he became boring as shit when he came back from his quad injury. While Shawn Michaels will be looked back at fondly, right up until the end, I think Triple H's glory days died several years ago.

Kevin Nash was recognisable. Once he went to WCW. In WWE he was a piece of shit, though. Sure, his buddy bumped like shit for him once or twice, making him look somewhat good, but he does not even deserve a spot in the list of the top ten greatest big men ever. The saving grace of Kevin Nash is his charisma, which he has shitloads of. If he settled into a JBL role, he could wash away the shit stains of his earlier career.

Scott Hall was a great mid-carder. It's a shame he never got the chance to climb higher. He really should have gone over Stone Cold Steve Austin at WrestleMania X8. Hall fucked himself up, though. He has no one else to blame for not getting anywhere but his own premature rockstar attitude. You should only dive into the coke once you are music icons. Hall dived into his shit a little too early. As such, he will be remembered as one of those guys for whom it was "a shame they never made it."

Sean Waltman did help innovate lightweight wrestling in America, you're right. But guess what? Since him there have been so many guys that have done it better. And they don't sleep with Chyna. Waltman is one of those "Rey Mysterio" cruiserweights, though, in my opinion. They got too much push for too little talent. Sure, neither is bad, but neither was too much better than their contemporaries at the time of their segregation. As such, Waltman is the definition of overrated.
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:27 PM   #13
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HBK: One of the best wrestlers I've ever seen in terms of the wrestling. The only ones to come close are HHH, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit.
HHH: One of the best wrestlers I've seen (as mentioned). However, never quite captured my imagination like HBK did.
Nash: Great on the mic, but that mic workwas only really found when he went to WCW. As far as wrestling ability goes, mostly bored me to be honest, although he could have a good match with the right opponent (I really liked his match with taker @ WM12?, and his match with HBK at an In Your House.)
Hall: Good on the mic as well. I used to love Razor, but in the end, Scott Hall's biggest problem was Scott Hall. Will be remembered for his bit-part in the NWO and his ladder matches with HBK.
Waltman: He's shite, I don't care what anybody says, I can't stand the guy. I think he's a hopeless wrestler, and I could never buy him as a threat
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:29 PM   #14
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I wouldn't call the tag division 'reinvigorated'.
I wouldn't call Triple H the greatest heel of all-time.

Hyperbole aside, London & Kendrick did get a great run with the belts, and did get some great matches in there. Reinvigorated? Hell no. You need teams for that. But they deserve just as much kudos for doing what they did as Sean Waltman does for jumping around in the mid-nineties.
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Old 05-06-2007, 01:14 PM   #15
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HHH the greatest heel ever? Surely Piper protests. That guy got stabbed, started riots, and never had to get himself in with the boss's family in order to stay at the top.

HBK oversells, and isnt nearly the wrestler nor stroyteller of say, a Bret Hart. Bret at the age of 42 was still putting on clinics. HBk is in his early 40's now and well, he has had some great chopfests.

Owen was the greatest pure athlete of all time. He learned something, anything with ease. He ushered in the new generation of wrestling.

Hart Foundation..greatest tag team of all time.

Nash inside the ring bombed, unless he got to wrestle the Hitman. He would basically place his oppponent in the corner..dish out a few elbows and knees, and then do his amazing focus a camera lens on the guy thing and then dish out another great elbow. No wonder fans got bored during his title run.
Nash is good on the stick and that's about it.

X-pac was so great that he's got the distinction of being a guy who was willingly let go of his contract to go someplace else.

Hall was decent, I dont have much bad things to say about him.

nWo got big because Hogan turned heel. Without Hogan, it doesnt do the business it did.

IN CONCLUSION:

I RESPECT HBK and HALL...the others I dont even really have much of a problem with...except for Trips, who I think is the most underserving, overrated, untalented sack of crap there has ever been, at least in the main event scene.
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:13 PM   #17
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Skippord is single handedly better than the entire Kliq.
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:17 PM   #18
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:31 PM   #19
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Skippord, I swear to fucking god you just sit around and figure out how to piss me off. Since you gave no points or ideas, I shall return with only a couple of thoughts.

SHAWN MICHAELS: No matter how you look at it, one of, if not the best in ring performer of all time.

TRIPLE H: The best heel in the history of professional wrestling. Not to mention a masterful technician.

KEVIN NASH: The heart and soul behind the nWo. Period. In 1999 was voted in the top 5 most recognizable wrestlers of all time.

SCOTT HALL: One of the most entertaining people to ever step in the squared circle.

SEAN WALTMAN: For being the runt of a group, he was a damn fine worker. Widely credited with introducing America to the small style of wrestling.

Those 5 men changed professional wrestling forever. If it weren't for them, no nWo and no DX. MICHAELS and HALL changed the entire way a match was paced in the 90's. NASH came in and gave big men three dimensions. WALTMAN forged a new path in style for the largest wrestling market in the world. HUNTER may be the best well rounded wrestler of all time. I said I would make this short, but I'll finish with this; there is no group (kayfabe or otherwise) in professional wrestling to make a bigger impact, to make more money, or to have a collection of "Match of the Year" than those guys. You look at the greatest moments over the past decade and a half, and you will see it involved at least one of them...or Austin.
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It is Kliq. Maybe the Kliq is overrated. But still, with out them wrestling wouldn't vastly different. They pretty much had their hand in every major event in wrestling for the past 15 some odd years. If it wasn't for the Kliq, no nWo, no DX, no attitude era, and no hope of Cena ever losing the title.

If it wasn't for the Kliq, Bret would have never gotten screwed. If Bret didn't get screwed, Vince wouldn't have become one of wrestling's top heels. If Vince wasn't a top heel, Stone Cold would have an evil boss to play against as an everyman. Is Stone Cold wasn't an everyman, he would have been booked as a superman face, and we would have hated him the way we hate Cena, Lashley, and Batista.

Every watershed moment in wrestling has involed the Kliq in more than a passing way. So while I might be a Nash mark, and defend him blindly, the Kliq, for better or worse is one of the most import groups in modern wrestling history.
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It is Kliq. Maybe the Kliq is overrated. But still, with out them wrestling wouldn't vastly different. They pretty much had their hand in every major event in wrestling for the past 15 some odd years. If it wasn't for the Kliq, no nWo, no DX, no attitude era, and no hope of Cena ever losing the title.

If it wasn't for the Kliq, Bret would have never gotten screwed. If Bret didn't get screwed, Vince wouldn't have become one of wrestling's top heels. If Vince wasn't a top heel, Stone Cold would have an evil boss to play against as an everyman. Is Stone Cold wasn't an everyman, he would have been booked as a superman face, and we would have hated him the way we hate Cena, Lashley, and Batista.

Every watershed moment in wrestling has involed the Kliq in more than a passing way. So while I might be a Nash mark, and defend him blindly, the Kliq, for better or worse is one of the most import groups in modern wrestling history.
I don't think that is actually the case. Sure, they did bring us the nWo and DX, but I don't think you can connect them to Steve Austin's success. Bret getting screwed had more to do with Vince McMahon than Shawn Michaels. If Bret was staying, Hart would have made Michaels tap out like a little bitch.

I doubt we'd have seen "Super Steve." His character was always self-powered. Today we might have seen a Super Steve, but not back when wrestlers had a measure of control over themselves.
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[QUOTE=BigDaddyCool]Is Stone Cold wasn't an everyman, he would have been booked as a superman face, and we would have hated him the way we hate Cena, Lashley, and Batista.QUOTE]


superman, over the top, talented face Austin > superman, over the top, no-talent SuperCena, Bobby "Guy Smiley" Lashley, and Big Dave.

No matter how you look at it.
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Triple H is not the best heel in professional wrestling history. Sure, he really pissed people off because he fluked his way to the top on adequate skills, guys breaking their backs for him, and banging the boss' spawn. He's not a bad technician, but he wouldn't even make the top ten in the WWE. He owes most of his in-ring success to his psychology, which was great at times, especially before he became boring as shit when he came back from his quad injury. While Shawn Michaels will be looked back at fondly, right up until the end, I think Triple H's glory days died several years ago.
The only bit I really disagree with here is the "fluked his way to the top" part. Hunter made it to the top before banging Steph. And at a time when the main event was flourishing with Austin, Rock, Mankind, Undertaker and a strong second tier with Shamrock, Big Show, Kane, Jericho, Jarret, etc. Also, in my opinion Flair is an average in ring performer but his psychology, charisma, etc. drove him to the top.
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I don't think that is actually the case. Sure, they did bring us the nWo and DX, but I don't think you can connect them to Steve Austin's success. Bret getting screwed had more to do with Vince McMahon than Shawn Michaels. If Bret was staying, Hart would have made Michaels tap out like a little bitch.
No, it mostly had to do with Hart not wanting to lose to Micheals because of things Micheals said and did before that. WWF then felt its hands were tied and did what they felt was right. If it was anyone else Bret was defending against, there is reason to believe he would have done the job.
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I love how certain people like to "forget" timelines when it comes to HHH but rant and rave about the timeline with Bret Hart...
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The One, I like you, but look how easy it is to spin things like that:

PAUL LONDON: Can work a technical style, and can fly. He's charismatic, got a cult fanbase, and has put on some of the more fun matches of the new millennium. With Brian Kendrick, he reinvigorated tag team wrestling.

BRIAN KENDRICK: Trained by Shawn Michaels, and bridges the gap between serious wrestling and comedy, which is a necessity in this era. With Paul London, he has carried tag team wrestling in the WWE.

VAL VENIS: Carries himself perfectly in the ring. He can bump, wrestle, fly, talk, apply psychology, and knows how to take a match by the reigns and give it realistic substance. If Venis was an asshole, he could be up there with Triple H as a "total package" wrestler.

Seriously, how you can call indie guys overrated, guys who haven't even gotten a chance in the bigger promotions of the industry, and yet sing the praises of these guys blindly is pretty hypocritical.
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HHH the greatest heel ever? Surely Piper protests. That guy got stabbed, started riots, and never had to get himself in with the boss's family in order to stay at the top.
Hardly a qualifier. Piper was a heel in an entirely different atmosphere; the end of the time when a lot of the audience were drunk 25-40 something men who didn't take much convincing to believe that wrestling was real. HHH had to get himself over as a heel in a time where you had to be more than loud and obnoxious to be a great heel, and a time when if you weren't careful, you might get cheered.

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HBK oversells, and isnt nearly the wrestler nor stroyteller of say, a Bret Hart. Bret at the age of 42 was still putting on clinics. HBk is in his early 40's now and well, he has had some great chopfests.
Hart a better storyteller than Michaels... no. Hart tells one story regardless of the circumstances: "I'm the greatest ever and I'm a crybaby when I lose." And that's just kayfabe. Clinics do not good storytelling make, and if you have a problem with overselling, you must have a problem with Ric Flair.

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There is a whole thread about Owen's overratedness. He was a part of something big, but he ushered in nothing.

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Hart Foundation..greatest tag team of all time.
Pheh. If Bret's career had ended when the Foundation did, he would be largely forgettable as a guy who wore pink.

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Nash inside the ring bombed, unless he got to wrestle the Hitman. He would basically place his oppponent in the corner..dish out a few elbows and knees, and then do his amazing focus a camera lens on the guy thing and then dish out another great elbow. No wonder fans got bored during his title run.
Nash is good on the stick and that's about it.
Nash's title run was boring because the WWF was boring at the time. He won the title out of the blue, had no good feuds and no real competition. But the man moves with purpose in the ring and is the best big man champion WWF had for a long time.

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Waltman was excellent in the role of a runty little sidekick, either as a greasy little punk or a greasy little prankster. As soon as he tried to get over without his big brothers, he became annoying and useless.

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Hall was decent, I dont have much bad things to say about him.
The general opinion of Hall seems to be that he's good, and could have been great if he could only have gotten over his personal problems. Very sad, but in this case I think everyone agrees.

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nWo got big because Hogan turned heel. Without Hogan, it doesnt do the business it did.
By the same principle though, it doesn't do the business without Hall and Nash. I'm sick of this "Hogan made the nWo" bullshit; it was what it was because of EVERYONE involved at the top; without Hall and Nash and the Kliq attitude they brought with them, nWo ends up being a failed Hogan heel turn.
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is it Kliq or Clique?
A "clique" is an in-crowd group of friends, a sort of informal club. "The Kliq" specifically refers to those particular wrestlers.
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[QUOTE=Alienoid06]The One, I like you, but look how easy it is to spin things like that:

PAUL LONDON: Can work a technical style, and can fly. He's charismatic, got a cult fanbase, QUOTE]

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Alienoid's got a point. It's not like he's saying "PAUL LONDON 4 CHAMPION!!!!" He's saying "Yeah, well, this is what's wrong with spin."
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Alienoid's got a point. It's not like he's saying "PAUL LONDON 4 CHAMPION!!!!" He's saying "Yeah, well, this is what's wrong with spin."
What do you want from me, I'm a Republican, the only way we can argue points is with spin.
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:38 PM   #35
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That statement is overrated.

Being overrated is overrated.

Pointing out things that are overrated is overrated.
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That statement is overrated.

Being overrated is overrated.

Pointing out things that are overrated is overrated.
Yeah, well pointing out that pointing out that things that are overrated is overrated, is overrated.
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Hm. Let me see... something that nobody either overrates or underrates...








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Hardly a qualifier. Piper was a heel in an entirely different atmosphere; the end of the time when a lot of the audience were drunk 25-40 something men who didn't take much convincing to believe that wrestling was real. HHH had to get himself over as a heel in a time where you had to be more than loud and obnoxious to be a great heel, and a time when if you weren't careful, you might get cheered.



Hart a better storyteller than Michaels... no. Hart tells one story regardless of the circumstances: "I'm the greatest ever and I'm a crybaby when I lose." And that's just kayfabe. Clinics do not good storytelling make, and if you have a problem with overselling, you must have a problem with Ric Flair.



There is a whole thread about Owen's overratedness. He was a part of something big, but he ushered in nothing.



Pheh. If Bret's career had ended when the Foundation did, he would be largely forgettable as a guy who wore pink.



Nash's title run was boring because the WWF was boring at the time. He won the title out of the blue, had no good feuds and no real competition. But the man moves with purpose in the ring and is the best big man champion WWF had for a long time.



Waltman was excellent in the role of a runty little sidekick, either as a greasy little punk or a greasy little prankster. As soon as he tried to get over without his big brothers, he became annoying and useless.



The general opinion of Hall seems to be that he's good, and could have been great if he could only have gotten over his personal problems. Very sad, but in this case I think everyone agrees.



By the same principle though, it doesn't do the business without Hall and Nash. I'm sick of this "Hogan made the nWo" bullshit; it was what it was because of EVERYONE involved at the top; without Hall and Nash and the Kliq attitude they brought with them, nWo ends up being a failed Hogan heel turn.

I had to stop when I got to the point where you wrote Piper was hardly a qualifier, and then even tried convincing me HHH was a better heel than him.

After getting that out of the way, all you need to do is watch HBK...his matches are just less realistic than a guy like Brets...HBK jumps around, exposing the business at times...yeah that's showmanship, but I prefer the guys that get down with it..that take it to you..not only that but HBK gives the same half ass chops to guys like the fucking big show, as he would to Rey Mysterio...Hart tries to take it to guys of various sizes and stregths differently, as would most smart wrestlers...and he's HBK having fucking chopfests with giants. His psychology has always been a bit overrated.
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