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Old 05-20-2007, 05:20 PM   #1
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Exclamation Top 5 MMA Fighters of All Time..
5. Sakuraba
4. Fedor
3. Bas Rutten
2. Rampage/Chuck Liddell
1. Chuck Liddell/Rampage

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Ken Shamrock would beat all five of those at once
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My 5 in no order

Bas Rutten
Royce Gracie
Kazushi Sakuraba
Randy Couture
Ken Shamrock

I have to rank on the impact they had at their respective peaks, ability in the ring/cage and drawing power. Guys like Ortiz, Vanderlai Silva, Liddell, Fedor, Frank Shamrock, Hughes, Cro Cop, etc were all close and will probably occupy top spots sooner or later.
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Royce Gracie was crazy, I remember my brother had a long stretch of renting UFC videos a few years back before the whole UFC thing blew up and Gracie always stood out. I remember watching the Shamrock vs Gracie fight that went to a draw after Gracie had Shamrock in the guard for almost the entire 30 minutes then the 5 minute overtime
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:41 AM   #6
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Ken Shamrock would beat all five of those at once
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Shamrock couldn't even handle Ortiz, who Liddell beat twice..

I understand him being mentioned because back in the day he was the man, but that statment is retarded..
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Old 05-22-2007, 11:43 AM   #7
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And yeah Rob, Couture bearly missed my list, but I had to have all the five I mentioned.. Bas would be alot higher but I don't really have access to ALOT of his Pancrase shit and whatnot..
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Actually Rob's list is pretty much exactly how I would put mine, however it hurts me not to put Hughes on it. Hughes and Randy would switch in and out probably depending on the day for me.
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How old was Shamrock when he fought Ortiz though? He was a lot better of a fighter in his prime
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How old was Shamrock when he fought Ortiz though? He was a lot better of a fighter in his prime
38 I think.
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There are plenty of fighters that could have but didn't make my list..

I believe Bas, Rampage, and Liddell "could" have beaten him in his prime at 205lbs..

No question about Fedor if Shamrock moved up to heavyweight..
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I'm just a big fan of Shamrock really, I don't know too much about many others since i'm only really just getting into the UFC. I do quite like Ortiz and Liddell too.

And I think Shamrock was 41 and Ortiz was 31 when they fought, would it have been different if Shamrock fought him when he was in his prime? Was a bit of a stupid decision to fight him on Shamrock's part in that stage of his career IMO
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I'm just a big fan of Shamrock really, I don't know too much about many others since i'm only really just getting into the UFC. I do quite like Ortiz and Liddell too.

And I think Shamrock was 41 and Ortiz was 31 when they fought, would it have been different if Shamrock fought him when he was in his prime? Was a bit of a stupid decision to fight him on Shamrock's part in that stage of his career IMO
How's it stupid? I'm sure he got paid a tonne of $$$
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I'm just a big fan of Shamrock really, I don't know too much about many others since i'm only really just getting into the UFC. I do quite like Ortiz and Liddell too.

And I think Shamrock was 41 and Ortiz was 31 when they fought, would it have been different if Shamrock fought him when he was in his prime? Was a bit of a stupid decision to fight him on Shamrock's part in that stage of his career IMO
Shamrock is 43 now and they didn't fight for the first time 2 years ago.
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5. Randy Couture
4. Ken Shamrock
3. (As much as it pains me) Tito Ortiz
2. Chuck Liddell
1. Royce Gracie

Honorable Mentions: Hughes, Emelianko (sp?), Jackson, W. Silva, Cro Cop, Sakuraba, Miletich, Penn
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Shamrock is 43 now and they didn't fight for the first time 2 years ago.
Well whatever, I was referencing the third fight so 42 at the time maybe?

He might have gotten good money from it but did he honestly think he stood a chance, especially after the second one?

He is a legend, it was just a shame to see him get owned especially when he'd lost twice to the guy already.
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3. (As much as it pains me) Tito Ortiz
I'm guessing you don't like Tito (niether do I), if so, why put him on the list??
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I'm guessing you don't like Tito (niether do I), if so, why put him on the list??
Because he probably is one of the best MMA fighters of all time, one of the most obnoxious pricks too...but still one of the best.
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5. Ken Shamrock (god I hate admitting he was the man at one point)
4. Tito Ortiz (my personal favorite ever)
3. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Royce Gracie
1. Frank Shamrock

I am absolutely SHOCKED no one said Frank yet, as I consider him easily the best fighter ever. But whatever...
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This is of course assuming we are talking about in their primes. Current day, Fedor is the only person worth a damn. Tito is good, but no where near as fierce as he once was.
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I am absolutely SHOCKED no one said Frank yet, as I consider him easily the best fighter ever. But whatever...
I can see Ken, but serious Frank??

Bas Rutten beat Franks ass.. Sure Ken beat him but WHATEVER..
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In round one, Matt Hughes hyperextended Gracie's arm in an armbar which would have caused most to submit, but Gracie refused to tap[4] and held on with a startlingly calm expression on his face. Toward the end of the round, Hughes was able to get Gracie onto his stomach, and proceeded to straddle his back and deliver 17 uncontested punches and elbows from behind to both sides of Gracie's head, causing referee "Big John" McCarthy to stop the match at 4:39. In a later interview, Hughes claimed that he purposely let Gracie out of the arm lock because he knew that Royce Gracie would not submit and would rather allow his arm to break.

Got that off Wikipedia...can anyone confirm that? If so, Royce Gracie is an even sicker fuck then I thought he was (I know he didn't tap obviously, but did Hughes really say that?)
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Yeah, it was kinda like that..

Same when Renzo Gracie fought Sakuraba in Pride.. Sakuraba got him in a kimora (sp?) (arm submission) and dilocated his elbow.. Renzo didn't tap and was pissed they stopped the fight.. All of the Gracies are like that though.. All heart..
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Another Gracie has let his arm get broken before, so yeh thats probably true.
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Old 05-27-2007, 11:08 AM   #28
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Dan Henderson (first to hold two titles at once)
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Chuck Liddel (obviously)
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I dont understand why everyone puts rampage up there.He is good and he beat Liddel, but Id say that was more of the match-up itself. Ramage has been beaten by guys that fight like him, like silva. I personlly think tito could take him just because of how they match up.
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Chuck Liddel (obviously)
Randy Cotour (first to win titles in different weightclasses an first to come out of retirement and win one again.)
Frank Shamrock (brother of ken and unstoppable through the 90s)

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You ever seen MMA? Seriously?

And Dan Henderson might be the first guy to hold two different titles at two weights at once but how many other people were given that same oppotunity?
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Jus go ahead and void that last ranking...no Gracie,Bas, in there, chalk it up to limited UFC viewing.
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And Dan Henderson might be the first guy to hold two different titles at two weights at once but how many other people were given that same oppotunity?
hahaha yes and i participate in the sport. I have trained with actual fighters who have fought in the UFC. Ive trained with Andrei Arlovski, met with Matt Hughes and worked with Frank Shamrock along with the various fight schools out of chicago like Hackneys and Gilbert. My ranking didnt really come from personal opinion as much as it did from their personal in formation on the fighters. And if you dont believe me go to the article on the frontpage of this site where andrei talks about fighting Fedor and where he says he trains with john and sean at overtime. Then go to overtimewrestling.com and look up the trainers john kading and sean bormet and note the link to andrei's official site where it thanks sean and john on the front page of the site.

Oh and I didnt put Gracie in there because he is not a top MMA fighter. He is an outstanding Jujitsu fighter. Back in the day when no one knew what that was he was dominant, but if you put him in there now he cant hang. They proved this already with his fight against hughes if you want to argue that fact.
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So the fact that he is way past his prime has nothing to do with it,when he fought Hughes? And the rankings were for top 5 of all time..not right now. The influence Gracie had in the beginning and the way he dominated ,he just has to be an automatic in there.
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these are not necessarilly my favorites, just how i would rate in objective noteworthyness.
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Your right... its of all time. However if you put him in a fight when he was in his prime against someone now, he would not be able to hang. If we went on your reason for we would have to include guys like Ken Shamrock, Tank Abbot, and Tito Ortiz. They all had a ton of influence and were good back in their day, but look at the now. If Tito gets his head out of his ass, he could be back up there again, but thats beside the point.

Yes Gracie was instrumental in bringing Jujitsu into the UFC and MMA, but like I said... He is a great JUJITSU fighter. NOT an MMA fighter. Back in his day he was not fighting MMA. He was only doing jujitsu in his fights. Everyone else was doing their own specific type of martial arts. Those were inferior to jujitsu and he won his fights, and everyone started to incorperate his shit into theirs.

Now I know you love Gracie and shit, but hes not an mma fighter. Fighters now dont even consider him one. They think he opened their sport up, but thats it.
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lol, I don't love Gracie, I love what he did. But as far as how he would fare nowadays in his prime we will never know, it's not like he would only stick to ju-jitsu either, he would also have to had changed his style.
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well we saw him try and it didnt work out too well
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Oh and I didnt put Gracie in there because he is not a top MMA fighter. He is an outstanding Jujitsu fighter. Back in the day when no one knew what that was he was dominant, but if you put him in there now he cant hang. They proved this already with his fight against hughes if you want to argue that fact.
Not a top MMA fighter? Was dominating the early UFC's when they were tournaments not enough? Doesn't matter if people didn't realise how good he was back in the early 90's because the bottom line is that he was great. Matt Hughes even called him a legend and he put UFC on the fucking map. Yeah not good enough to make the all time list though.

People who think Royce Gracie isn't on the all time MMA top fighter list are the same people who think Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels are shitty wrestlers. Basically they are fucking idiots.
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I dont understand why everyone puts rampage up there.He is good and he beat Liddel, but Id say that was more of the match-up itself. Ramage has been beaten by guys that fight like him, like silva. I personlly think tito could take him just because of how they match up.
Maybe because this is a subjective list of each persons favorite fighters??

I fucking love Rampage.. I know he's gotten beat before, but that is because he is not scarred to lose.. I love his fighting style and personallity.. I love watching him fight in general..

That being said, I don't know why he didn't make your list..
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