Benoit had Frontal Lobe Syndrome

[Shaggy]

Source: PWTorch

In a story that could change the whole view of the Benoit tragedy, Chris Benoit's father will be doing several media appearances offering some shocking new information.

Michael Benoit claims that Chris Benoit had some Neurological scans of his brain, which have revealed he had post concussion syndrome and a condition called Frontal Lobe Syndrome.

Frontal Lobe Syndrome causes emotional and social withdrawal, outbursts of rage and violent behavior.

If this is confirmed it partially reliefs Benoit of his crimes, because in essence he had brain damage. This would also put part of the blame on the wrestling schedule as these disorders are attributed to repeated blows to the head.

We'll follow this story closely and get word on Michael Benoit's TV appearances.

[Ben Rodrigues]

So does this mean he's going into the Hall of Fame now?

[KingofOldSchool]

It means we probably won't see chair shots anymore.

[The Fugitive]

I doubt that as well, KOOS. Maybe they'll be more shots to the back/neck instead of the head.

[The Fugitive]

I doubt it, but I do hope one day people will be able to separate Benoit the wrestler from Benoit the person.

[McLegend]

I hope there is less chair shots. I hate Chair shots right to the head that are unprotected. Like when HHH just killed Umaga this past week the shit was tough to watch.

[Loose Cannon]

I'm remember learning about this is Abnormal Pyschology. pretty scary stuff.

[McLegend]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder The worst was when the Rock was banging on Mic Foley at Royal Rumble. Those were some of the most vicious chair shots i've ever seen.

Yeah those were disgusting, and there is absolutely no need for them.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Good news for the memory of Benoit if this is true....

Possible worse news for Vince.

[BigDaddyCool]

So he goes from murderer to brian damaged murderer? I honestly don't care how crazy, retarded, or brian damaged a person is, it is still murder.

[Loose Cannon]

Just got reported that Benoit also suffered from Dissociative Identity Disorder. They're saying At the time of the killings, Benoit was not himself, but a completely different person. Chris' father said that he like to watch shows like 24 and maybe he took them a little too seriously.

[Dave Youell]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Just got reported that Benoit also suffered from Dissociative Identity Disorder. They're saying At the time of the killings, Benoit was not himself, but a completely different person. Chris' father said that he like to watch shows like 24 and maybe he took them a little too seriously.

Did he play GTA as well? Because they would love some of this press before there next game comes out.

[IC Champion]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Just got reported that Benoit also suffered from Dissociative Identity Disorder. They're saying At the time of the killings, Benoit was not himself, but a completely different person. Chris' father said that he like to watch shows like 24 and maybe he took them a little too seriously.

Where did you read this?

[RP]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Just got reported that Benoit also suffered from Dissociative Identity Disorder. They're saying At the time of the killings, Benoit was not himself, but a completely different person. Chris' father said that he like to watch shows like 24 and maybe he took them a little too seriously.

DAMN THAT JACK BAUER

[Shaggy]

Source ABCNews.com

ABC News is confirming that tests conducted by Julian Bailes of the Sports Legacy Institute show that Chris Benoit’s brain was severely damaged at the time he murdered his wife and son before taking his own life. According to the tests his brain resembled that of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient. Bailes said that the damage was the result of lifetime chronic concussions and head trauma.

Chris Benoit was famous for his flying headbutt, which is a lot of stress on the brain each time the maneuver is pulled off. While nothing can justify his actions, this at least helps the coping process.

[RP]

Originally Posted by Shaggy Source ABCNews.com ABC News is confirming that tests conducted by Julian Bailes of the Sports Legacy Institute show that Chris Benoit’s brain was severely damaged at the time he murdered his wife and son before taking his own life. According to the tests his brain resembled that of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient. Bailes said that the damage was the result of lifetime chronic concussions and head trauma. Chris Benoit was famous for his flying headbutt, which is a lot of stress on the brain each time the maneuver is pulled off. While nothing can justify his actions, this at least helps the coping process.

I disagree. I think it justifies the actions, but not the deaths. I mean, if this is the case, he probably never even realized what he was doing until it was done. Then he killed himself. I think WWE needs to address this on live TV.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Shaggy Source ABCNews.com ABC News is confirming that tests conducted by Julian Bailes of the Sports Legacy Institute show that Chris Benoit’s brain was severely damaged at the time he murdered his wife and son before taking his own life. According to the tests his brain resembled that of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient. Bailes said that the damage was the result of lifetime chronic concussions and head trauma. Chris Benoit was famous for his flying headbutt, which is a lot of stress on the brain each time the maneuver is pulled off. While nothing can justify his actions, this at least helps the coping process.

So, if I'm reading this right, jumping off a 5 foot turnbuckle to land on your head is bad and can damage your brain? And it can possibly lead you to kill yourself and family. I still fail to see how this is anyone's fault but Benoit's.

[RP]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool So, if I'm reading this right, jumping off a 5 foot turnbuckle to land on your head is bad and can damage your brain? And it can possibly lead you to kill yourself and family. I still fail to see how this is anyone's fault but Benoit's.

Without the proper knowledge or tests for the condition, Chris, his family, and WWE probably had know clue it was a possibility.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool So, if I'm reading this right, jumping off a 5 foot turnbuckle to land on your head is bad and can damage your brain? And it can possibly lead you to kill yourself and family. I still fail to see how this is anyone's fault but Benoit's.

well yea. do that for 20 years and god knows how many times a year? The human brain is not a rock. (well for some people here, I think it is) It slowly deteriorate over time even without hitting your head day in and day out. Just imagine how faster the process is when you are.

I know it's hard to grasp the concept of mental disorders and how they could even cause things like that. But if you really read about and study it, you'll see what can happen. It goes back to that classic Phineous Gage case.

Not saying it's 100% to blame, but can certainly see how it would have played a part.

[RP]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon The human brain is not a rock. (well for some people here, I think it is)

[6to1]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool So, if I'm reading this right, jumping off a 5 foot turnbuckle to land on your head is bad and can damage your brain? And it can possibly lead you to kill yourself and family. I still fail to see how this is anyone's fault but Benoit's.

i saw matches where he jumped off the top of the cage and landed near his head

[dablackguy]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool So, if I'm reading this right, jumping off a 5 foot turnbuckle to land on your head is bad and can damage your brain? And it can possibly lead you to kill yourself and family. I still fail to see how this is anyone's fault but Benoit's.

Take your finger, and gently touch the front of your head.

You're killing brain cells. That's how sensitive it is

[Theo Dious]

Originally Posted by dablackguy Take your finger, and gently touch the front of your head. You're killing brain cells. That's how sensitive it is

Son of a bitch. We need to go to non-contact wrestling IMMEDIATELY!!!















Cena can teach the rest of the roster, he barely ever touches his opponents anyways.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool So, if I'm reading this right, jumping off a 5 foot turnbuckle to land on your head is bad and can damage your brain? And it can possibly lead you to kill yourself and family. I still fail to see how this is anyone's fault but Benoit's.

Read up on that Phineas Gage case that was posted. It's not just that your head hurts a little, you lose control over who you are, and what you do. It's not like Chris Benoit woke up and said "My head hurts, today I am going to murder my family." He might not have even realized he killed them until after the fact, hence the bibles and seeming state of confusion Benoit was in.

This might take some pressure off the steroid thing, unfortunately, but now the business itself, at its very core, is under question. Chris Benoit literally gave so much of himself to the industry, it killed him.

[IC Champion]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Read up on that Phineas Gage case that was posted. It's not just that your head hurts a little, you lose control over who you are, and what you do. It's not like Chris Benoit woke up and said "My head hurts, today I am going to murder my family." He might not have even realized he killed them until after the fact, hence the bibles and seeming state of confusion Benoit was in. This might take some pressure off the steroid thing, unfortunately, but now the business itself, at its very core, is under question. Chris Benoit literally gave so much of himself to the industry, it killed him.

Maybe he should have took some time off, or treated his concussions instead of just continuing to wrestle because it's your life, and it's what you live for.

Concussions are serious business, and every year someone in a pro sport has their career ended from just a couple concussions. And anyone knows that undiagnosed or untreated concussions have serious consuquences, such as insanity, or depression.

So again, I fail to see how this is anyone's fault other than Benoit himself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Instant Classic Maybe he should have took some time off, or treated his concussions instead of just continuing to wrestle because it's your life, and it's what you live for. Concussions are serious business, and every year someone in a pro sport has their career ended from just a couple concussions. And anyone knows that undiagnosed or untreated concussions have serious consuquences, such as insanity, or depression. So again, I fail to see how this is anyone's fault other than Benoit himself.

I'm wondering if you actually believe this, or you're just sucking up to BDC. Please tell me it's the former, because it will be annoying as fuck if this is another reach around off the anal fuck.

Chris Benoit killed his family, but there is this thing called "diminished capacity." You probably know what those words mean, so stick them together and see what you get.

It is still Chris Benoit's "fault" in the sense that if he had stopped wrestling, it may not have happened, but Benoit was Benoit until fairly recently. I'm not sure how fast these things can set in, but I'd be willing to bet it was pretty fast. No one saw this coming. I certainly didn't. You didn't seem to. I certainly doubt that Chris Benoit ever had the thought "I better stop wrestling or else I may murder my family, roll around in my dog's feces and ruin my legacy." Should he have? I guess in retrospect, a narrow-minded person could fault him for not, but you can't really blame him for not knowing about the effects of the business when we didn't either. I'm fairly certain this is the precedent case for professional wrestling to this kind of extreme.

Benoit murdered his family, and that is something that has to eat at those close to Benoit everyday, and it ate the last breath out of Chris Benoit. Instead of placing blame, this is just one of those dark events that you wish had turned out differently. We all saw the shots Chris Benoit was taking, we were all aware of his schedule. So was Vince McMahon, everyone in the business and all those close to Benoit. No one did anything. While there has to be a level of self-monitoring, there needs to be some consciousness of those around you, as well. People who traveled with Chris Benoit didn't notice any difference, I really doubt Chris Benoit, who if he had noticed a difference, would have been screwed up, and hence not noticed the difference (there's a conundrum for ya) would have.

I could be completely wrong about this, though, but it has always been my understanding that you don't always know you are going to go crazy.

[Loose Cannon]

holy shit.

[RP]

It would probably also explain the bibles. The remorse he felt.

[Loose Cannon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage

here, for people who want to read more about that case.

[Loose Cannon]

no way.

[6to1]

yea i think it was back in his wcw days i am suprised he lasted as long as he did after watching hif jump off the top of the cage and land on another wrestler.

[Rob]

WWE needs to impliment brain scans on a 6 month basis.

[The One]

So...what...Steroids hits Benoit in the head?

[BigDaddyCool]

OMG, you all are such retarded assholes. I was being sarcastic. I know for a fact that jumping of a turn buckle and landing on your head is bad for you. My point is I don't need a medical study to tell me that is bad for the human brain, and by that logic, neither should anyone else. It is fairly common sence land on your head = hurting your brain. Therefore Chris Benoit should have known that jumping off a turn buckle and landing on his head 300 days of the year is going to lead to something bad, yet he did it anyways. No one ever came up to Benoit and told him that if he had to do the diving head butt. He did it to himself. Benoit made his own brain into mush, then killed his family and hung himself. He may not have known any better at the time, but he put it all in motion himself.

If a drunk driver runs over someone, then it is still their fault. I see very little different between killing your brain with alcohol and getting behind the wheel of a car then hurting people in said car and this situation.

Benoit is not a saint. He is a foolish man that destroied his own brain. And because of that killed his family and himself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool OMG, you all are such retarded assholes. I was being sarcastic. I know for a fact that jumping of a turn buckle and landing on your head is bad for you. My point is I don't need a medical study to tell me that is bad for the human brain, and by that logic, neither should anyone else. It is fairly common sence land on your head = hurting your brain. Therefore Chris Benoit should have known that jumping off a turn buckle and landing on his head 300 days of the year is going to lead to something bad, yet he did it anyways. No one ever came up to Benoit and told him that if he had to do the diving head butt. He did it to himself. Benoit made his own brain into mush, then killed his family and hung himself. He may not have known any better at the time, but he put it all in motion himself. If a drunk driver runs over someone, then it is still their fault. I see very little different between killing your brain with alcohol and getting behind the wheel of a car then hurting people in said car and this situation. Benoit is not a saint. He is a foolish man that destroied his own brain. And because of that killed his family and himself.

So what you are saying is that all football players, boxers, contact sport players and physical laborors should expect to go crazy and murder their families? This is not something you plan for.

You want to know the difference between drink driving and brain damage? If you saw a drunk person trying to get into a car, you would stop them. No one stopped Chris Benoit. No one ever said "Chris, you may kill someone if you do this." It's a slight difference, but it is a difference.

No one is saying Chris Benoit is the greatest man who ever lived, and foolish is probably quite appropriate for him, just like it is foolish for anyone who gets into the business. That's what people are going to be saying, though, so you better get used to it: The media will turn this into "professional wrestling killed Benoit's family."

Everyone accepts Chris Benoit's part in the killings. He fucking did them. You're moving at a slower pace than everyone else, but that's OK. We are now talking about what outside causes played a part on it. Originally it was thought to be steroids, and now it is the business itself, and the natural injuries that occur with it.

As Loose Cannon said, it doesn't excuse Benoit. A sin is still a sin. If you're a spiritual person, then you really have to believe that Chris Benoit is rotting in Hell right now, unless God takes mercy on those who can't help themselves. It does remove the intent from the crime, though, and that is a fucking huge part of things. It was a sickening thought to image a competent Chris Benoit tying up his wife and then strangling her as she is defenseless, and then smothering his son out of cowardice, and then taking his own life so he doesn't have to face the consequences. That messed up the image of Chris Benoit as a person. Now he's a guy who should have stopped, but didn't realize he needed to, and not a single doctor, promoter, agent, fan, friend or family member spoke up. If Chris Benoit is guilty for what happened to his brain, then we were all, in ways, accomplices.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 So what you are saying is that all football players, boxers, contact sport players and physical laborors should expect to go crazy and murder their families? This is not something you plan for.

I don't expect them to go crazy, but after so much, I don't expect much out of them. I do expect they will go brain dead.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 You want to know the difference between drink driving and brain damage? If you saw a drunk person trying to get into a car, you would stop them. No one stopped Chris Benoit. No one ever said "Chris, you may kill someone if you do this." It's a slight difference, but it is a difference.

Nancy Benoit said something.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 No one is saying Chris Benoit is the greatest man who ever lived, and foolish is probably quite appropriate for him, just like it is foolish for anyone who gets into the business. That's what people are going to be saying, though, so you better get used to it: The media will turn this into "professional wrestling killed Benoit's family."

Yeah, the media turns anything into ratings, big deal. It is still Benoit's fault.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Everyone accepts Chris Benoit's part in the killings. He fucking did them. You're moving at a slower pace than everyone else, but that's OK. We are now talking about what outside causes played a part on it. Originally it was thought to be steroids, and now it is the business itself, and the natural injuries that occur with it. As Loose Cannon said, it doesn't excuse Benoit. A sin is still a sin. If you're a spiritual person, then you really have to believe that Chris Benoit is rotting in Hell right now, unless God takes mercy on those who can't help themselves. It does remove the intent from the crime, though, and that is a fucking huge part of things. It was a sickening thought to image a competent Chris Benoit tying up his wife and then strangling her as she is defenseless, and then smothering his son out of cowardice, and then taking his own life so he doesn't have to face the consequences. That messed up the image of Chris Benoit as a person. Now he's a guy who should have stopped, but didn't realize he needed to, and not a single doctor, promoter, agent, fan, friend or family member spoke up. If Chris Benoit is guilty for what happened to his brain, then we were all, in ways, accomplices.

Nancy spoke up.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 As Loose Cannon said, it doesn't excuse Benoit. A sin is still a sin. If you're a spiritual person, then you really have to believe that Chris Benoit is rotting in Hell right now, unless God takes mercy on those who can't help themselves. It does remove the intent from the crime, though, and that is a fucking huge part of things. It was a sickening thought to image a competent Chris Benoit tying up his wife and then strangling her as she is defenseless, and then smothering his son out of cowardice, and then taking his own life so he doesn't have to face the consequences. That messed up the image of Chris Benoit as a person. Now he's a guy who should have stopped, but didn't realize he needed to, and not a single doctor, promoter, agent, fan, friend or family member spoke up. If Chris Benoit is guilty for what happened to his brain, then we were all, in ways, accomplices.

Most theologists would argue that acts commited by someone who was insane would not be held against them by God. As such, I'm a bit confused as to why you'd bring it up. The people who believe otherwise tend to not believe in mental illness and dismiss it anyway.

Then again, that seems to be the wrestling fanbase in a nutshell. Benoit did something horrible, yes, but he was most certainly sick. The Vicdin alone could have done that, as well as a couple other popular painkillers in sports. They don't warn you about that. In fact, there's no warning of correlation, except health professionals have started reporting it as a serious, and sadly common side effect.

What's funnier is the number of people who grieved for Eddie, a drug addict who chose to destroy his body. Drug addiction isn't even a real disease, it's a symptom of a weak will. Now we're hearing "Benoit decided to concuss himself...Fuck him." People complain that the One says he'll celebrate the death of Hogan, a man who has clearly played with his life. Owen Hart? We grieved, though nobody FORCED him up there or pushed him off.

If Benoit deserved what he got, so did Eddie and Owen and just about every other wrestler to have died, been injured or crippled, etc.

-EDIT- Whoops, fucked up and was replying in two windows. I'l stitch in the rest:

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 This might take some pressure off the steroid thing, unfortunately, but now the business itself, at its very core, is under question. Chris Benoit literally gave so much of himself to the industry, it killed him.

First let me point out I glossed over after a certain point. Too much back and forth.

Anyway, Steroids were, at the very least a contributing factor.

Originally Posted by Instant Classic Could it have been prevented had he simply gone to a doctor and had his head checked? Probably.

Overly simplistic. Since this is the course of multiple concussions, not a single injury, and not every concussion readily is obvious in a sport where people work through injuries. They're not readily obvious period, a lot of the time.

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 I agree with Loose Cannon. This is pretty much an argument based on political beliefs, so there's not too much point going back and forth. These are discussion boards, though. For the record, because I know a lot of people here are stupid, I'm not saying that Benoit is not a killer. If he didn't kill himself, he should have been tried and convicted for manslaughter. That's all I'm saying it is, though...manslaughter. Still fucking awful, but in the law's eye, it is a step down. This is a good thing for those who wanted to remember Chris Benoit's career, without mashing it up with his personal life, because it means Chris Benoit was not a cold-blooded killer. A killer? Unfortunately for all involved, yes, but his crime was under diminished capacity. What we are essentially arguing is whether there should be diminished capacity, and whether or not there should be layers in the law, which is politics, and pointless to get into here.

He should have, and would have been tried for murder. The extreme malice in the killings could likely get him the strongest murder charges. Beyond that, being insane is a defense, not a means to trial itself. If he wasn't in his mind at the time, that would be a defensive statement.

Originally Posted by Instant Classic No, but if he had a concussion, I'm going to take a wild guess, and say he knew he did, I'm gonna say that before he went crazy, his head probably hurt alot, due to head aches, going back years even. Now I would just assume someone with a concussion in a contact sport of any kind would go see a doctor about this, and get a CAT scan. I'm guessing that he didn't. I'm guessing that his concussions went undiagnosed, I mean, your brain doesn't begin to resemble that of an 85 year old Alzheimer over night, this was something that happened over time. I'm going to have to say that he suffered from concussions and head aches for quiet sometime. And if you don't think someone can go crazy from concussions, do some research. And, also had you been paying any attention at all Alienoid, you would know that some of his friends knew something was wrong with him, and that he wasn't normal.

Yes. Something happened over time. Damage can accrue in subtle ways.

Originally Posted by Instant Classic Maybe he should have took some time off, or treated his concussions instead of just continuing to wrestle because it's your life, and it's what you live for. Concussions are serious business, and every year someone in a pro sport has their career ended from just a couple concussions. And anyone knows that undiagnosed or untreated concussions have serious consuquences, such as insanity, or depression. So again, I fail to see how this is anyone's fault other than Benoit himself.

Do you always know all the outcomes of the things you participate in? I'm just curious. And I'm not saying "Benoit didn't do it" or "It wasn't his fault," But we're talking mental illness.

[IC Champion]

No, but if he had a concussion, I'm going to take a wild guess, and say he knew he did, I'm gonna say that before he went crazy, his head probably hurt alot, due to head aches, going back years even. Now I would just assume someone with a concussion in a contact sport of any kind would go see a doctor about this, and get a CAT scan. I'm guessing that he didn't. I'm guessing that his concussions went undiagnosed, I mean, your brain doesn't begin to resemble that of an 85 year old Alzheimer over night, this was something that happened over time. I'm going to have to say that he suffered from concussions and head aches for quiet sometime. And if you don't think someone can go crazy from concussions, do some research.

And, also had you been paying any attention at all Alienoid, you would know that some of his friends knew something was wrong with him, and that he wasn't normal.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Instant Classic No, but if he had a concussion, I'm going to take a wild guess, and say he knew he did, I'm gonna say that before he went crazy, his head probably hurt alot, due to head aches, going back years even. Now I would just assume someone with a concussion in a contact sport of any kind would go see a doctor about this, and get a CAT scan. I'm guessing that he didn't. I'm guessing that his concussions went undiagnosed, I mean, your brain doesn't begin to resemble that of an 85 year old Alzheimer over night, this was something that happened over time. I'm going to have to say that he suffered from concussions and head aches for quiet sometime. And if you don't think someone can go crazy from concussions, do some research. And, also had you been paying any attention at all Alienoid, you would know that some of his friends knew something was wrong with him, and that he wasn't normal.

How many people in the WWE right now do you think have sore heads? It's a part of the business. I'm not saying it's right, but it's a business where you get banged up. Chris Benoit spent years in pain, which was what he expected, and in some ways wanted. It's what every wrestler is guilty of. If we're blaming people for the lead-in to these sorts of events, you might as well blame everyone wrestling right now.

I know concussions can do crazy things, but how do you feel knowing that I could come up, bonk you on the head with something, and then you'd go home and kill your family? You don't want to look at yourself that way. I really doubt Chris Benoit ever said "I should stop wrestling, I might go on a massacre soon." It really doesn't work like that. Every guy who steps out there takes the risk of a head injury, and they still do it. They should all be guilty of reckless endangerment then, not just Chris Benoit. I'm not smiling over this whole thing, but as I said, it's good that Chris Benoit didn't actively seek out to kill anyone, especially his wife and son.

As Rob said, the WWE should make brain scans compulsory, and they need to get on top of this thing and fix it. Why didn't they have brain scans before? Because, quite frankly, it was a risk that the industry did not see as relevant. Why should Chris Benoit if no one else does? As I said, there needs to be some responsibility for oneself, but no one really considered it a likelihood. How many discussions before Chris Benoit did anyone say "the WWE should have head scans so wrestlers don't hang themselves?" I can't recall one in my time as a fan.

I was not aware that there were reports of Chris Benoit acting unusual. When were these? I was only aware of the text messages sent on the weekend this all went down. But let's say people did know that Benoit was going insane...why are they not getting the blame? Isn't there some kind of responsibility Vince owes to his performers?

[lort]

I remember at the time I said I wouldn't be surprised if repeated concussions to the same areas of his brain might have affected him. Though I'm surprised it has taken so long to get results.

I don't think it matters too much for Benoit, but for the industry itself it could change things - even if it just making it harder and harder for companies to insure their athletes.