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11-09-2007, 11:32 PM
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I am the cheese
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Not sure if this has been posted yet (CNN:Deathgrip related)
http://www.wwe.com/inside/cenaoncnn/
The WWE posts what Cena really said and Fuck did CNN take that WAY out of context.  |
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11-09-2007, 11:58 PM
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Skibbidy Lock Jaw
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CNN distorting the facts? Gettouttahere....
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11-10-2007, 12:05 AM
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He's Here
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11-10-2007, 12:13 AM
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Franchise of TPWW
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Say what you will about John in the ring, but the way he carries himself - he genuinely is one of the best spokesmen the industry can have.
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11-10-2007, 01:39 AM
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I agree about John Cena. I'm not a fan of the guy, but he handles himself very well in interviews. He's very good at defending WWE and professional wrestling.
He rambled a little bit in the unedited footage. |
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11-10-2007, 01:50 AM
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As over as Crystal Pepsi
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11-10-2007, 01:59 AM
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As over as Crystal Pepsi
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Okay..... I am god damn sick of this fucking media focusing on wrestling as they make the mindless mainstream believe that Pro Wrestling kills more people than the god damn war my brother has been to three times, soon to be four. You know there are bigger fucking problems in this world, okay? I'm sure cancer or drunk driving kills more people than prowrestling, but because one man had a fucked up weekend all of the sudden "we have to do something about this problem" when there's still a goddamn senseless war going on, people are still dying of cancer, children are still fall victim to soulless perverts... But it makes good tv. That's all it is. It's not about fucking news anymore. God forbid a news place gives us something FUCKING RELEVANT because it's all some god forsaken ratings drive. Let's talk about the war in Iraq like it's a footnote, talk about wrestling, sports, local news, and a fucking heartwarming story about a kitten that was stuck in a fucking drain pipe. Let's ignore how social security is getting abused, ignore the fact that there are people dying of AIDS and they're in pain because the health care system in this fucking country is driven by money and not by health, let's turn a blind eye to everything that doesn't pull in the ratings because in this media hyped country it's not worth a damn. There are bigger problems in this country than drug use in wrestling, like drug use on the street. I don't know. I'm just pissed off at a lot of things and this just sorta set me off. |
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11-10-2007, 02:44 AM
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LAKE SHOW HOES
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11-10-2007, 10:20 AM
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I'm all there is
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yea, I remember one of the first things I said to myself when watching was that they edited the shit out of this.
so stupid. |
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11-10-2007, 10:23 AM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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I mean, this "Focus on wrestling" is utterly retarded, and if you'd spent any real time looking at where the media is focused, or how much time had actually been spent on issues like social security and Iraq, you'd have to be retarded. Come on, man, be less of a spoiled child and look at the stupid shit you've said. You bitched about the SEC looking into a publicly traded company for defrauding people because Congress had better things to do. Really? Does the SEC have something better to do than to look into investor fraud? You bitch about a "focus" on wrestling. I don't think you have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Not a single fucking clue. If you did, you wouldn't make a statement as patently stupid or false as that one. The media spends more time on sexual predators than on wrestling. CNN does, even with their silly little special investigation and their Larry King discussions. Do you watch a lot of news? Look at a lot of programming, or are you one of these people who hears about a couple of programs or a single AP feed on a wrestling forum and you bitch like Fox viewers do about the "liberal media" without ever having flipped on another channel? Do you have any idea what the content of the news is on a regular basis? Do you have any idea what other things Congress is doing right now, or the SEC specifically? Do you really think that dedicating an extra hour to the War in Iraq will somehow end it sooner? Or maybe pedophillia will end if we just spent that one extra Larry King discussing it instead of Wrestling? Are you really that naive? Or did the content override the thinking portions of your brain, and leave you ranting like a moron? There are bigger problems in America, and they get more time. and nothing still gets solved. And all this bitching about focus? With all the focus on the war in Iraq in the last election cycle, did we vote for an overwhelmingly anti-war Congress? Or an anti-War President? Howabout the midterms? No? We're still in Iraq, with all that focus? Then shut the fuck up. And I hope to God you were out there this vocal when the baseball steroids issue showed up. It took a lot more time away from the precious, undertalked issues, and I'd hate to think that you were only bitching about this issue from the hypocritical stance of inconvenience. |
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11-10-2007, 11:08 AM
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As over as Crystal Pepsi
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Okay, I'll admit I didn't totally think that one through.
My brother is in Washington, training. The entire family is stressed because this is his 4th time going over there, he's going to the base that has the 2nd highest deaths for the Air Force, and his entire unit is getting dicked around with their training. No one knows when he'll be able to see his family again before he goes to Iraq. The fact that there's so much going on in the world and there's time for the media to look at wrestling in a darker light just struck me at the wrong time last night, I hardcore over reacted and didn't even bother to read what I posted until just now. So last night was just stress, my bad. |
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11-10-2007, 12:27 PM
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Smitten for Kittens
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Lol, I tried to explain this situation to someone, and couldn't describe it without using the words "...like on the Colbert Report."
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11-10-2007, 01:08 PM
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Can someone sum up what the difference between the two were? The WWE media player isn't working for me right now.
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11-10-2007, 01:28 PM
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 plus he IS good in the ring. Ok I am a fan of his because he went out of his way to be nice to me at a abaseball game. |
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11-10-2007, 01:29 PM
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LAKE SHOW HOES
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I really enjoy John Cena. I've been getting flamed for this, but whatever.
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11-10-2007, 04:32 PM
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Soundly Defeated Wadding
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CNN pretty much made him look like the meathead stereotype that they want to portray pro-wrestlers as. I hope to god they don't interview Masters or Andrew Martin. |
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11-10-2007, 08:33 PM
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May 19
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The CNN show is repeating right now on CNN
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11-10-2007, 09:17 PM
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Just Some Guy
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Cena is very much good at taking the company line. I understand he does that because he is an employee and it is his job to do so and that I do think he is in fact wrong to defend the WWE in this case, but the WWE has the right to defend itself and John Cena is a good spokesperson for them.
I'd be interested to know if anyone has analysised the two pieces of footage to make sure they are the same. I do not trust the media to give an accurate account, however neither do I trust the WWE. I believe they are both capable of lying and think that a quick comparision by someone more sober than me might be able to vidincate one side quickly. |
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11-10-2007, 09:20 PM
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May 19
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I see both tapes but what else was left off both sides.
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11-10-2007, 09:36 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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WWE Version: Cena says something stupid, with context. I think Vince is just pissed he got out-carnied. Cena gave a non-answer in both versions, it's just that in the longer version, Cena says it because no matter what, we all have preconceived notions. It doesn't change the fact that it's a dodge, it just makes the dodge a longer one, in which he tapdances with context. Cena bulked up incredibly fast over the course of only a couple of years, and it was incredibly stupid of him to try and make a carte blanche denial, especially followed by that steaming sack of shite. Morons will defend him for the same reason they're trying to blame Congress for looking into WWE potentially commiting fraud, because of how utterly self-serving the IWC is, and how utterly dedicated to that line they are. To Outsider, I can count several sound/video discrepancies, but that doesn't immediately mean that they've actually changed anything. However, the notion of WWE going for full disclosure is seemingly unlikely. Kinda hope Cena gets busted in one of the pharmacy scandals, because that would be hilarious after he's pretended the notion to be ridiculous. |
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11-11-2007, 12:24 PM
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May 19
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Yes Mr. Knight.
The CNN used the words that Cena said. If WWE or Cena is upset at something is should be Cena for giving an answer that was not clear. The WWE video had him saying -no- but then he say that other part. He make a mistake in the way he state it. Even on the WWE clip it sound dumb (this from a Cena fan) If you read the WWE site, they make it sound like the CNN are not trusting, maybe but so what is different by others? I see that show on CNN and to me it was clear they had an idea what they wanted to the story to say and they mould it that way in the story. Ok new idea. This CNN program is what the WWE need. Yes it is some bad publicity but they need to take all these deaths more serious. It not like the CNN story didn't talk some good points. LIke CM Punk. Maybe I watch more wreslting for that guy now. Plus it talk about the other testers from the NFL that are involved. Yes the CNN story point a finger, but the WWE is in need of public scrutiny. Without they don't take it serious and make things better. |
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11-11-2007, 03:34 PM
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Yipee Kai Yay!!!
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Respect for Cena has now risen a few points
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11-11-2007, 03:55 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Cena doesn't do steroids. ...ELVIS DIDN'T DO NO DRUGS! |
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11-11-2007, 03:57 PM
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Inno Knows.
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11-11-2007, 04:30 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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What I find interesting is that Cena wants us to believe he's busted his ass all his life. Then, magically, when he's getting a main event push, suddenly, that hard work increases his physique greatly in about six months, but it's not steroids.
I don't doubt that he worked hard, but to pretend like you can bulk up like that practically overnight, and on a wrestler's schedule...Come on.... |
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11-11-2007, 04:38 PM
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Soundly Defeated Wadding
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11-11-2007, 04:40 PM
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Yasser "wheredat" Arabat
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11-11-2007, 04:42 PM
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Yasser "wheredat" Arabat
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11-11-2007, 05:52 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Nice to see Narc's too stupid to come up with a convincing comeback.
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11-11-2007, 06:18 PM
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Soundly Defeated Wadding
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Honestly, really nothing about Cena's physique or his overall wrestling career would suggest that he's taken any type of performance enhancing drugs. He doesn't show many of the typical symptoms that somebody taking roids would ordinarily exhibit.
1.) Unlike Lesnar, Snitsky, Steiner, Hogan, ect... He doesn't show any signs of what many call a 'roid belly'. This of course being where the stomach muscles are so giant that they pertrude out almost as much as their actual pectoral muscles. When Lesnar was in his WWE prime, his abs looked as if they were painted on to his gut. 2.) As far as I can tell, and no other reports have proven me wrong as of yet... Cena has never had any excessive acne breakouts. Many of those that roid have terrible acne on their back, shoulders, chest, ect. Snitsky and Sid are prime example. 3.) This is the first major injury Cena has sustained in 6 or 7 years. That is a damned good record when compared to others on the top of the roster. Athletes who use performance enhancing drugs are more likely to sustain muscle injuries. ie: Trips, Edge 4.) Those who use steroids are known for taking shortcuts. They lift to make their bodies look godly but ignore things like edurance and stamina. Cena doesn't gas out after minutes of activity. Say what you want about the actual quality of his matches but when it comes to his cardio, dude can go for days. Not to say that those who have taken roids don't do cardio, however; it seems that those that are known for it seem to be sucking back air around the 10 minute mark. 5.) He just doesn't LOOK like alot of these other guys who are known roiders. His features aren't completely extravagant. Hogan in the 80's looked like a damned cartoon character he was so big. I understand that just because somebody doesn't look that way doesn't mean they aren't but it really has to count for something. Cena is isn't overly gigantic as he is just thick and muscular. I understand that none of this PROVES undoubtedyly that he hasn't done them but I think that they are some fair reasons to believe that maybe he's telling the truth. Also, it seems from what we've seen from his character so far that if he did indeed take them he would most likely just say it. What would he honestly have to lose from just saying that he did it a while ago, regrets it, and would never do it again? |
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11-11-2007, 06:21 PM
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Soundly Defeated Wadding
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11-11-2007, 06:28 PM
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Soundly Defeated Wadding
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 2003 Cena:  2007 Cena:  I'm failing to see the massive difference here KK. I'm sure you'll find a way to avoid the actual point of the evidence and call me a moron anyway though. Last edited by Nark Order; 11-11-2007 at 06:33 PM. |
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11-11-2007, 06:36 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Oh yeah, no difference at all.
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11-11-2007, 06:37 PM
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Soundly Defeated Wadding
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And gutted.
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11-11-2007, 06:38 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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For the record, I generally just call you a moron when you do your usual hissyfit and avoid logic with a strawman, like you did earlier in this topic, or with the "everyone sucks" hissyfit in the last one.
You know, basically when you do stupid stuff. |
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11-11-2007, 06:43 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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But hey, I mean, just because he had a size difference between early 2005 and late 2005 doesn't mean anything! |
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11-11-2007, 06:47 PM
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Soundly Defeated Wadding
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I just fail to see where you're getting this "major difference" from? Could you support this? I just posted 3 pictures spanning across 7 years and there is very little difference even from the picture in 2000 compared to the one from 2007. This "I'm right because I'm KK" thing isn't going to go very far with me like it does everybody else.
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11-11-2007, 07:27 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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It's not a "because I'm right" thing. You can argue there's no major difference until you're blue in the face and it changes nothing. Dude, the guy was way better defined by the end of 2005 than he was at the beginning. His size change was pretty much over the course of his US title run, and he managed to stay pretty impressively buffed on an increase touring schedule. You say that he has none of the charactersistics of a steroid user, based on what, I'm not entirely sure. I mean, you give examples of steroid abuse, which is far from necessary to gain the bulk Cena did.
I mean, The Hurricane shows none of the indicators you talk about, and he was taking Steroids. Eddie Guerrero, who we know to have been part of Signature's scandal, was also on steroids, and never showed those signs. The only sign in his case was that he was significantly larger. Your whole stance seems to be based on "he doesn't have what I consider to be a steroid body." Which is fine, it's just not very aimiable with reality, where you don't need to be Steiner or Lesnar to be on steroids. You don't even need to be Triple H. Steroids don't even need to make you more injury prone. And by the way, in EVERY post you've had where I disagree with you, you've resorted to some sort of cop out, such as this "I'm right because I'm KK" thing. Seriously, I don't know if you're fooling yourself or what, but since you are the one doing exactly that, it's kind of comical that yo're making accusations. Consistantly. I disagree with you, you cop out with a made up argument like "You're right, everybody sucks," or you accuse of copping out before the fact, or you simply try and make it about me. If you're doing it to be a massive hypocrite or score some points on an internet message baord by "pwning" me, then by all means. But assuming you're actually trying to argue, that's just ridiculous. |
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11-11-2007, 07:36 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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And I mean, really, you can chalk it up to that strawman assertion that I think he couldn't possibly be putting effort into it, but that's basically ignoring what I said in the first place.
Cena's a football player. I'm assuming he has, in fact, busted his ass since high school. There's a finite cap on anyone's natural ability, and one expects that someone who is in his prime and busting his ass will probably cap before 25 or so, realistically. Why? It physically becomes harder after your mid twenties to maintain what you have, let alone to get more cut and larger muscles on a larger touring schedule. |
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11-11-2007, 08:20 PM
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Narc has made some really good points here. We may never know whether Cena has roided or not but I do remember reading about him as Prototype and seeing photos about 6 or 7 years ago and he looked a lot more like someone on steroids back then.
KK - the argument about Eddie and Hurricane not having the 'roid belly' or other characteristics that Narc mentioned is retarded. Come on, you should know that every drug affects every single person in a different way. There's always exceptions, every wrestler was not taking the same drug and steroids affect bigger guys and smaller guys a lot differently. Narc just ignore KK's underhanded comments. His worst weapon is accusing you of doing the very things he does himself (underhanded, childish comments; replying with an offensive quip when he can't think of a decent reply). You've made a lot of sense here Narc. Oh and finally, if there is one person in this thread who I know has absolutely no credibility when it comes to talking about physical exercise, 'busting your ass', training or whatever - it's the big fat lazy Kane Knight who probably could barely run the length of himself or lift his own fat head out of his ass. |
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