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Old 12-19-2007, 12:16 PM   #1
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...is the longest-reigning champion in WWE, having won the US title in May after a period of apparent inactivity. Have they even mentioned this fact? I mean they said it every five minutes when Helms was Cruiserweight champion. The US title actually MEANS something right now, dammit.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:18 PM   #2
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Is he the current longest reigning or longest reigning us champ?
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:25 PM   #3
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He wouldn't be the longest reigning US Champ in history. I just did some research for another thread, and Lex Luger held the belt for 500+ days. He'd just have held his belt for the longest since winning it.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:28 PM   #4
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Does the WWE US Championship share history with the WCW US Championship?
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:32 PM   #5
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Does the WWE US Championship share history with the WCW US Championship?
Technically, I believe so. The WWE officially recognises them as one in the same, I believe, as do most other sources.

The WWE is pretty inconsistent with what they choose to remember, though. Some people are still unclear about the World Heavyweight Championship. I believe it to be a new belt, but if they just revived the US Title after being retired, I don't see why Eric Bischoff couldn't have just brought back the WCW Title under a different name.
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Old 12-19-2007, 02:29 PM   #6
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World Belt is NOT the WCW Belt.

US Title IS from the WCW US Title.

And MVP is no where near the longest reigning US Champ; Lex, Flair, Austin, Windham, Rude, Koloff, I'm sure there's more I'm not remembering have held it longer. Hell technically MVP is now on his 213th day as Champ and the Benoit reign that lead to MVP getting the title (also Benoit's last reign with any belt) lasted 222 days. So he hasn't even become the longest US Champ in WWE history yet.

However he is the longest reigning current Champion WWE has. The closest second would be, well, kind of funny story here...Punk won the title on September 1st but it didn't air until thh 4th, where as Jeff won the IC Title on September 2nd but it didn't air until 3rd. So in kayfabe Hardy's reign is one day longer than Punk's but in reality Punk's reign is a day longer than Hardy's.

Anyway I've been enough of a nerd for now, see ya.

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Old 12-19-2007, 04:17 PM   #7
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Technically, I believe so. The WWE officially recognises them as one in the same, I believe, as do most other sources.

The WWE is pretty inconsistent with what they choose to remember, though. Some people are still unclear about the World Heavyweight Championship. I believe it to be a new belt, but if they just revived the US Title after being retired, I don't see why Eric Bischoff couldn't have just brought back the WCW Title under a different name.
Well the WWE title is the WWF Title and WCW title, and owns their histories,

so he wouldnt be able to resurrect the WCW title, because it is living in the WWE title.
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Also, Technically, the IC title's heritage oly goes back a few years, because they unified it with the World Heavyweight Title, so that's history goes back to 2003 or so, and also has the IC title history.
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Old 12-19-2007, 04:54 PM   #9
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Is he the current longest reigning or longest reigning us champ?
Current longest reigning.

Orton - WWE Champ since October
Hardy - IC Champ since September
Bobcore/Cody Rhodes - World Tag Champs since last week
Beth Phoenix - Women's Champ since October
Edge - WHC since Sunday
CM Punk - ECW Champ since
Miz/Morrison - WWE Tag Champs since sometime this month
Cruiser Title Vacant

The next-longest reigning champ is Hardy, and he hasn't even reached three months yet.
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Old 12-23-2007, 03:25 AM   #10
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Well the WWE title is the WWF Title and WCW title, and owns their histories,

so he wouldnt be able to resurrect the WCW title, because it is living in the WWE title.
That makes sense, but why was Stephanie McMahon able to revive the United States Title? Why was Stone Cold Steve Austin able to resurrect the Intercontinental Title? More specifically, why didn't Stephanie McMahon resurrect the WCW Tag Team Titles as the new tag belts for SmackDown!?

The only answer is that there are different kinds of unification. You can retire one belt, dissolve them together to make a new belt, or dissolve them together and completely forget about the history of one.

The current WWE Title actually doesn't date back to 2001, they trace it back further, as if it were the original Federation Championship. It always bothered me that they made the WWE history the dominant one. Sure, the belts were unified in the WWE, but Chris Jericho was WCW Champion when he defeated the WWE Champion to unify the belts. There should be more mention of the WCW history whilst talking about the WWE Championship.

The truth is, the WWE owns all these histories, and can (unfortunately) do with them what they wish. Whether it be to subtract some Cruiserweight Title reigns of Jericho's, to not recognising Chris Benoit's WCW Title reign, to remembering all of Booker T's.

Keeping the histories straight is mainly a courtesy.

But yes, the facts are, as Tovo said:

* World Heavyweight Championship is NOT the WCW Championship (although the WWE itself foolishly connects their histories on occasion)

* WWE United States Championship IS the WCW United States Championship
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