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QUESTION - Which WWE wrestler can be a successful main-event FACE?
EDITORS NOTE - I wonder if Jeff Hardy and D'Lo Brown are worthy of being mentioned on this list (that I created on April 30th, 2008, 03:42PM Pacific Standard Time).
QUESTION - Which WWE wrestler can be a successful main-event FACE? Finally...........Heyman..........has come *back* to Tee Pee Dubya! Anyway - I don't watch wrestling too much nowadays, but I think we can all agree that one MAJOR problem in the WWE right now, is that they don't have that "Break-away" #1 (fresh) face. Undertaker is ok, but he's been around forever. He's not going to "draw in" anyone new." I think the same can be said for guys like Triple H, Shawn Michaels, and Chris Jericho. A guy like Big Show could be interesting, but I question as to how much would DRAW. I'm also not sure if Jeff Hardy could be THE guy. To me anyway - he seems like he'd be a "flash in the pan" type guy. Popular one day....a memory the next. I still think John Cena could draw IMMENSE cheers but ironically enough, I think he'd have to be HEEL in order for this to happen (and start rapping again). So - long story short - WHO do I think could potentially be TOP main-event faces that could DRAW?! If I was a betting man, here is who I'd put my money on: 6) Umaga: This 'selection' of mine may raise a few eyebrows, but for anyone that's been reading my posts all these years, know that I'm the king of eccentric ideas (good or bad ![]() 4) CM Punk: I think CM Punk has a lot of work ahead. While he's loved on here, I'm just not sure if he has enough charisma/mic skill to really be accepted at the next level. Time will tell. 3) Matt Hardy: It's amazing how much fan fare Matt Hardy has, DESPITE never being pushed. In the future, I wouldn't mind seeing Matt Hardy go over Edge for the World title. Matt's music is awesome, and the fans genuinely seem to like the guy. Matt's only drawback, is that he's been in the mid-cards for a very long time. People might have trouble accepting him as a TRUE main-event guy. 2) Ken Kennedy: If Kennedy can be more bad-ass (and not be quite as one dimensional), I think he's another guy that can potentially draw. A major advantage that Kennedy has (that a lot of other guys do NOT have), is the fact that Kennedy is still relatively new......and hasn't been an upper-card wrestler before. I look forward to seeing his feud with William Regal. 1) Randy Orton: Orton has a few MAJOR things going for him. a) His bad-ass personna seems to be legit. Orton seems like the type of guy that will keep his current personna, even if he turns face. That is HUGE. This "bad ass personna" will ensure that he stays over with the fans. One huge downfall of his face turn 3 years ago, was the fact that he started kissing the fans ass. If the next face turn occurs, this won't likely happen. b) Chanting "Randy" isn't a very difficult thing to do. c) Fans love winners. Randy is a perceived "main-event guy" amongst the fans. This holds an incredible amount of weight. Anyway - who do YOU think has a chance at becoming the next (fresh) main-event face?.....one that can possibly draw? Last edited by Heyman; 06-17-2008 at 03:57 PM. |
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I still think he has work to do on his 'WWE Style' in the ring but CM Punk does have legit charisma and can cut great promos. I'm not sure why we don't see this on WWE TV. Admittedly, his most impressive stuff is as a heel which we haven't seen him as on TV yet but even in OVW as a face, his stuff was quality.
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With the right booking anyone can be booked as a successful main event face.
I still believe that Cena could have been and still can be up there in the space just below Rock, Austin and Hogan if they booked him right. Last edited by Xero; 04-30-2008 at 07:06 PM. |
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I agree with pretty much your whole post, only thing is that I think Randy Orton needs to make his character more... I dunno just more established, do more shit. (no pun intended)
But I think the number ONE face will be... MISTERRRR KENNEDY. He has the charisma, the mic skills, adequate wrestling skills, catchy theme-song, catchphrase, bad-ass type character, and he just seems to have the 'IT factor'. He's very good as a heel, I'm sure he'll be just as good as a face, and in time better. I can see him being the one to near the ovations of Rock and Austin, if anyone can. So yeah, for me, Kennedy's the man ![]() |
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But yeah, he has a lot of ammo to work with now and he's been a good heel in the past. Makes too much money for the company for it to happen anytime soon though |
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It looks like Kennedy is in the midst of a face turn. If they can do this slowly and build him up well, by next SummerSlam or even WrestleMania 26 (giving them ample time) heel Cena vs face Kennedy could be fucking huge.
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dave ain't here?
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I hate the John Cena of 05-present day, but I know how much I loved Cena in 03, and that he still has it in him to become huge. I just think he definitely needs to be heel, which would lead to him being face due to being cheered anyway, then KEEP HIM in the same gimmick rather than make him this stupid saluting cunt we have today. But like CSL said, he makes too much money for the WWE for them to turn him heel. But, who knows. I'm liking the possibilities of what could be in 2 years time. Then again, I said this 2 years ago. And 2 years before that. |
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I don't really think Umaga could be *THE* face of the WWE. The Samoan savage gimmick is just too stupid to draw people into wrestling. I think he can work as a face, don't get me wrong, but I can't see him drawing.
To work as a face, CM Punk needs to be less of a "good guy." He needs some darker edges, and I think he needs to turn heel before he can truly become a draw as a face. Sort of like The Rock did. He's likable enough, and charismatic, but his act is too "so what?" He needs to make these claims that he is special, which will no doubt be a more heelish thing to do, and then he needs to live up to his promises, which would make him seem as special as he could claim to be. Matt Hardy is one I agree with. In 2005, everyone was doing the "V1" hand symbol. I still see people doing it occasionally today, but I'm not sure if it has another meaning. Matt Hardy has always been the better Hardy. He's been a better wrestler, he's better on the mic, he can play a heel when he needs to, and his character just has more unexplored depths. I'm a mark for him, but I can't really see Matt drawing too many fans. I think he could be a massive face, though. Mr. Kennedy gets a big "yes" from me. His character has come the classic epic Attitude-era face route. It's started off as a heel, and he's gotten in people's faces, and we don't like it. But now he is getting in the faces of other people we don't like, and we know he's a winner, and we know that he's not going to back down, and we can connect with the character. Kennedy's face turn against Regal should be very interesting, and very good for Ken Kennedy. Randy Orton is a "hmm" from me. I don't like him as a bad-ass. I've never felt it, and the character seems very bland to me. I can maybe imagine a few mark-out moments with him kicking in JBL's head, and sending him back to commentary, or something, but I don't know. I wouldn't hang my hat on him as either a heel or a face right now. It's been proven that Big Show can draw, by the way. I can't remember who presented the numbers, but they were legit, and Show increases viewers. I was surprised by how much. I don't think he is the type of wrestler that should be the focus of WWE programming, though. Definitely a candidate for one of the top faces, though. A name that I'm sure everyone will overlook: Elijah Burke. The man is apparently a better face than a heel, and he's just got the right stuff, if you ask me. The whole Toughman and amateur boxing things adds a "don't fuck with me" element to his winning smile/charmer character. Why does Elijah Burke have such a tough background but looks like a guy who has never had to fight for anything? Because he seldom loses. He's magic on the mic, got charisma oozing out of him, and he is good in the ring. Move Burke to RAW, put the IC Title on him, maybe mix him up with Chris Jericho, Batista and Shawn Michaels (if that thing keeps going in the tangent it is heading), even though that might be pushing it too fast. The point is, Burke gets one of my nominations as a top face. MVP could also very easily make a fantastic face character. Sure, he's rich, he's cocky, and all of that, but all MVP needs to do is give us the reason he is. Share with us his past in prison, and how he came from a bad beginning, but he fought out of it, found something he was good at, and made a lot of money doing it. It won't make him Person of the Year, but I could certainly get behind a guy who is arrogant because he has been lower than most people have, and still got higher. Finlay should have been a Stone Cold-type bad-ass kicking Vince McMahon's ass up and down the halls coming from WrestleMania. I don't know if he ever could have drawn, and I guess we won't, but Finlay was looking really good heading into Mania, and deserved a position as a top face. Shelton Benjamin is a guy I want to keep mentioning. I think he works better as a face than a heel. I liked him when he re-debuted on RAW against Triple H. That was good stuff. I can envision him as a wrestling prodigy type face. A guy who goes in there, is good, leaves. Kofi Kingston has a lot of charisma, and an interesting style to him. He is reportedly one of the most impressive talents the WWE has had in their developmental system in some time. I'm not sure if I can envision him as their top guy, but I can see people flicking over, seeing Kofi, being entertained by him, and sticking around. |
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Shad Gaspard and JTG are also very charismatic, and have the crowd in the palm of their hand. Again, not sure if they can be top World Champions, or anything, but give them a few years, and who knows? They just have that factor where I can imagine someone turning over, liking them, and sticking around.
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I think Shad has a decent future. He's big, has charisma and isn't terrible in the ring. I could see him getting the IC title.
At worst they could be a great tag team down the line, if they ever get a decent tag division going. |
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I didn't lose any sleep when Cryme Tyme disappeared, but I think there is some potential in both guys. JTG might be hindered by his size, but that man just oozes charisma. |
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Make the IWC Great Again
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Ive tried to catch RAW the last couple weeks, and to me Kennedy is the one guy that stood out over the rest.
One of the things I noticed is that he's got a schtick for crowd interaction. He kept saying "who's the guy who did *this and that*" and the crowd was yelling "KENNEDY". Then he finally broke into his MISTER KENNEDY deal and the crowd ate it up. He also has a very believeable intense look, which IMO is virtually impossible to teach. Not sure about his ring work, havent seen too many of his matches, but he would be my choice right now. I dont get the CM Punk love. I watched him in the KOTR tourny, and I just thought he was blah. I also saw the MITB match, and I wasnt really overly impressed with him there. Not sure where he can go. If Jeff Hardy could ever lay off the drugs I think he could be a long term WWE Champion. I watched a RAW near the Royal Rumble, and I knew he was getting more cheers, but the crowd was nuts for him. What he has going for him, aside the crazy moves, is that he stands out from the pack, both in terms of looks and personality. Which helps. Matt I just talked about in another thread, I just never see him as being a top guy. I like MVP, although maybe I just like his entrance and his weird ring attire. I think he needs some grooming though. I see him like John Cena was circa early 2003 when he was fueding with Brock and Taker. I think thats what they need to do with MVP now that he lost the US title. Put him in there with the top guys (Batista, Taker, Rey, etc) and have him lose most of the time, but come close and still talk crap afterwards. Randy as a face is interesting. I look at him and I think "prick" so its hard for me to imagine him as the top face. I think he's great in the role they have him. John Cena cant be turned heel. Lots more kids are in the crowds these days, and I think they are driving a lot of the revenues for WWE. I mean think about when you were a kid and liked He-Man or Transfromers or whatever, and how much moneyt you made your parents spend on those things. I think without a babyface Cena, you would lose a lot of those kids who think he's superman right now. Lots of people compare him to Rock, and how good he was as a heel, but I think the times are different. As much as Cena gets booed at PPVs or whatever, he's still selling merch, selling tix, selling DVDs, so why get off that gravy train? |
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Kennedy blows
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The Sellsword
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I'll say it every single time, but I have YET to hear a viable argument as to why some people think Kennedy sucks. The only argument that has ever actually been presented is "one-trick pony". Which is nonsense, because his mic work is more about the subtleties of his character. I had heard somewhere that Kennedy was an actor before he became a wrestler, which makes sense given his mannerisms and inflection on the mic. On top of that, he's a good wrestler. Not stellar, but he's still fairly new. And his matches ALWAYS work some kind of psychology. He picked the right mentor in Austin to learn how to work a match. In 2 years, as long as he keeps himself from getting hurt again, he WILL be at the top.
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I think what will be important down the line though, is that he needs a new finisher. Something more impactful and sudden then the Mic Check. The Green Bay Plunge is awesome, but he can't really use that every match.
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dave ain't here?
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![]() I like KingofOldSchool, so I'm not going to accuse him of stupidity or anything, but I think the people who label Kenney "one-trick" are more on a bandwagon than the people who got behind him. People seem to think that the only reason he got over was because of the name thing. That was part of it, a very obvious part. There are subtleties to Kennedy that they miss, though. Fuck, I don't even think they are that subtle, and rather people just choose to miss them. KK has an honest opinion of him. The man may not be God, but he in no way sucks. Yelling his name doesn't make him great (although it is an entertaining shtick), but that doesn't mean it's all he can do, either. As for a finishing move Kennedy could use, why not give him the Stunner? They don't need to make reference to his study under Stone Cold, or anything, but the move actually seems to fit Kennedy, if you ask me (he used to do almost a Reverse Stunner as a finishing move), and it can be hit out of nowhere. |
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Kennedy is great. He wrestles well, doesn't need to be carried. Has charisma, catchphrases, looks different than the other main eventers. He needs a little bit more to put him over, and he hasn't had a great promo in quite a while. But generally, he's great.
As for the Stunner idea, if he used a different lead-in move than Austin I could see it looking unique enough. Where Austin has the short kick, Ken could use a knee/spinning elbow/European uppercut or any number of things. |
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Yeah, I'm assuming you aren't talking about the part where I mention the PTB being big on Punk, because you spend time talking about who Vince and company are big on, including a recent comment about Val Venis.
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The CyNick!!!
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In today's wrestling world, it's often VERY tough for a guy that's been in the mid-cards too long, to be accepted as a LEGIT main-eventer amongst the fans. Another concern that I have with Kennedy, is that the WWE simply won't push him right. Over the years - there have been COUNTLESS wrestlers that the WWE have "shit the bed" with. Hopefully, this does NOT happen with Kennedy. Quote:
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One weakness of the WWE right now, is that it's TOO PREDICTABLE! I kid you not - If Chris Jericho had won MITB, and then (unexpetedly) cashed in his MITB after the main-event of Triple H/Cena/Orton, the fans would have eaten it up. Storyline-wise, Jericho would have had a reason to go after all three guys (i.e. Triple H defeated Jericho in the main-event at WM-18, Cena got Jericho fired in 05', and Orton had just defeated Jericho a few months earlier). Jericho cashing in his MITB in the final match (I still think Orton/HHH/Cena should have been the last match)......especially if they did the whole/extended "Save Us 222" entrance....would've been HUGE with the fans. Jericho would have instantly become a legit main-eventer again. Quote:
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![]() The point I'm trying to make, is that "being a little bit of a prick" is actually a huge advantage IMO (as it pertains to being a face). One thing Orton REALLY has going for him, is the fact that he's an ESTABLISHED main-event guy with credibility. In the future, I'd love to see an Orton/Taker feud....where both men are made to look like equals. After a lengthy and drawn out feud where both men get clean pins, they can turn it into a "respect" thing where both men shake hands. (Although by saying that, I'm not trying to say that Randy should stop acting like a prick). Quote:
If Cena were to turn heel and become a bad ass rapper again, perhaps his 'youthful' fanbase would still eat it up? If Cena turns heel, then perhaps the WWE can push Kennedy and start making "Kennedy" transformer/He-man type figures. ![]() Quote:
p.s. CyNick - great debating with you again! ![]() ![]() Last edited by Heyman; 05-02-2008 at 07:46 PM. |
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Planet Races The Moon
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"Shit the bed" Hilarious phrase
CM Punk - He hasn't done much of anything notable since entering the WWE, wrestling or promo wise. I have seen ROH tapes of him doing great promos and great matches, so I know he can and thus I still look forward to his matches. But, other than his short reign as ECW Champ, it hasn't been interesting. |
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Father of Hinduship
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My concern for Punk, was in his ability to cut promos and connect with the fans. I'm still not completely sold on the guy, but hopefully - your observations are in fact, true. |
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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I think the greatness of Punk's RoH material is severely exaggerated. But then, the IWC has a Bush-esque "with us or against us" mentality when it comes to "the bandwagon."
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Father of Hinduship
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If the WWE creative team were to be somewhat....errr....competent, I'd be interested to see how far Jeff Hardy and D'Lo Brown could go (more signficantly, the latter).
p.s. Since April 30th (the time I created this list), my opinion of Ken Kennedy has also dropped. I am also pleasantly surprised at how the fans have stuck by Jeff Hardy (despite him not being able to beat anyone significant other than Umaga). p.p.s. Make no mistake about it. Christian (now known as Christian Cage) would've been huge. ![]() |
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Let's face it, the WWE will never attract newer fans other than kids in elementary school. The WWE audience is dominated by 5th graders. I was one of those 5th graders at one time cheering for The Rock and Stone Cold. Today it is John Cena and Jeff Hardy. But to answer the question as to who would be successful as a Main-Event Face? CM Punk is the only one that I can think of.
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I'm still thinking that Mr. Kennedy can be a great face. He keeps his character even while a good guy, and he's done a fantastic job in the ring of changing his presence to being a ass-kicker who grounds and pounds a guy, and an ass-kicked who is fighting tooth and nail to get back his advantage.
I'm hoping that his feud with Paul Burchill gets ramped up a little, and becomes more of an "upper mid-card" thing, rather than a "afterthought" thing. D'Lo Brown returning could be great. All they have to do is push him as a talented veteran that is back from Japan and better than ever. Give him wins, let him plant people with the Sky High, then hit the Lo Down, and you have a great face. Shelton Benjamin and Elijah Burke are two guys that are currently playing heel roles that I think would make excellent faces. Burke just got a new look, that I don't really think suits a face character, but apparently he is fantastic when it comes to face characters. |
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I'd hate to see Kennedy to use the Stunner. I think a vortex DDT or something would be quick and sudden as well as a move he could use on anybody.
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You had the Sammartino/Backlund era, the Hogan/Savage era, the Hart/Michaels era and the Austin/Rock era... now prepare for the Wang Yang/Haas era.
You read it here first. |
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So, is Heyman a Noid sock or is Noid a Heyman sock? I've been wondering that for a long time now.
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The way things are going I'm gonna say Kennedy....
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MVP will make a great face down the line, I am sticking to that story. I was also wondering the other day just how awesome a JBL face turn would be if done properly. I wouldn't like to see him get a massive push, or anything, but the guy is entertaining on the mic, plays a good character, and if the occasion called for it, I could really mark out for the guy.
I think it would work best with some heel insulting the south, or giving JBL compliments that come attached with implied insults ("JBL used to be a dumb, drunk redneck before he wisened up and made something of himself"), and JBL just decides to boot them in the mouth and while remaining in the JBL character, just goes off on them. |
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