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Old 05-14-2009, 11:35 PM   #1
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How is a superplex less powerful than every finishing maneuver
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Old 05-14-2009, 11:39 PM   #2
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Old 05-14-2009, 11:44 PM   #3
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Old 05-15-2009, 12:21 AM   #4
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It's super. It's plexy. It's superplexy.
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Luger should have had a superplex luger. That would have been slightly less terrible than his in ring work.
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Old 05-15-2009, 12:38 AM   #6
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It's good enough to break a ring, but not good enough to score a pinfall.
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Hey, man. You get punched in the fucking heart and YOU ARE GOING DOWN

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Old 05-15-2009, 12:50 AM   #8
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The Superplex is just a top rope vertical suplex. At worst it would be equal to something like the Triple German Suplex. It's not TOO damaging, as it's not a proper finisher, but it leaves a mark.
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Old 05-15-2009, 12:53 AM   #9
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I think it has more to do with how it takes forever for the guy to recover from giving the superplex and crawling to the cover.
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What about the fact that, at the very least, the one doing the move has to be getting the equivalent of a normal suplex, if not more?
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:44 AM   #11
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I think wrestling should focus less on having finishing moves winning matches. Have wrestlers do their finishing moves, but also have DDTs and whatnot be effective enough to get a pinfall with. Finishing moves make wrestling too predictable at times.
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Old 05-15-2009, 02:50 AM   #12
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At the same time, winning with a ddt or whatever can be very very anticlimactic.
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Old 05-15-2009, 04:16 AM   #13
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:57 AM   #14
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A superplex is a solid move for any stable. But its a spot, nothing more, nothing less. In terms of Canon, It should be noted that a the giver takes considerable damage as well, thus preventing them from making the timely cover.
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It's just such a staple to lead to dramatic points in matches that if someone used it, they'd appear too "bland." Of course, that is the problem with a lot of finishers these days. The logical side is what others have said, and that is that the guy taking the move also has to recover and get into position for a cover.
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Old 05-15-2009, 02:11 PM   #17
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DrA is right finishers make wrestling predictable but if you start to win with ddt's than wrestling is gonna be boring
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:50 PM   #19
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Somewhere, Jake "the Snake" Roberts is pissed off.

by "pissed off", I mean smoking crack.

Seriously, some moves, if hit just right, can end the match.

And, someone said just float over on the Superplex. Someone must have watched some old school Barry Windham...
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:36 PM   #20
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It's definatly nowhere near as powerful as the angle slam.
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:12 PM   #21
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Did Barry Windham really float over into a pin from a superplex? Nicely done, Stalker.
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Old 05-16-2009, 01:23 PM   #22
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Be be fair, if someone came along and used a Superplex as a finisher - and it was sold as such - we would just have to eat it up really.

Every finishing move is pretty much a variation of a basic move. The Rock Bottom is a suplex of sorts but really probably wouldn't hurt as much as a normal suplex.

We just have to be told that it is a finishing move for it to become infinately more powerful. Cody Rhodes uses a DDT as a finisher doesn't he? His would be no more powerful than one delivered by HHH or Jericho yet it is enough for Cody to get the win. Prime example, The Legdrop of Doom.
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Why do 99% of matches need a finishing move?
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Cody uses Crossrhodes. I don't think it's a standard DDT, but I kinda forget, since he hasn't won a match in ages.

Also, I feel like Paul Roma used a superplex as a finisher. If not him, maybe Hercules?
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Cody uses Crossrhodes. I don't think it's a standard DDT, but I kinda forget, since he hasn't won a match in ages.

Also, I feel like Paul Roma used a superplex as a finisher. If not him, maybe Hercules?
I remember Roma and Hercules did a superplex and then a splash for a tag team finisher
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Yeah I know that, but I still feel Roma used a superplex at one point. Maybe even in WCW. WHO KNOWS?????
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In the tag finisher, Hercules did the superplexing.
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Did Barry Windham really float over into a pin from a superplex? Nicely done, Stalker.
During his second run with the Horsemen, IIRC.

When he did his run as the Lone Wolf, he did the floatover into the regular suplex for a near fall. Followed up by a quick pop-up and a diving low lariat.
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Old 05-16-2009, 03:25 PM   #30
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Kinda related, it's always bothered me how the DDT is pretty much ineffective anymore. I mean, this is a move that would legitimately kill someone, but no-one expects anyone (except divas MAYBE) to get a pinfall out of it. But a move like the Celtic Cross which is pretty much just a guy falling on another guy will end matches.
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Old 05-16-2009, 03:30 PM   #31
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Because it is not as effective as suplexing your opponent and hoisting him in the air for a couple of minutes before slamming him on the ground. 3 phases of ultimate destruction. Ze call ze Zackhumma!
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Old 05-16-2009, 11:21 PM   #32
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We're talking about a "sport" where guys will criss-cross the ring multiple times if thrown into them, without thinking, "hm, maybe I should stop my momentum so this guy won't dropkick me in the face."

I mean, come on. It's just showmanship.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:48 PM   #33
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:06 PM   #34
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Old 05-18-2009, 12:09 AM   #36
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Old 05-19-2009, 07:24 AM   #38
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Be be fair, if someone came along and used a Superplex as a finisher - and it was sold as such - we would just have to eat it up really.

Every finishing move is pretty much a variation of a basic move. The Rock Bottom is a suplex of sorts but really probably wouldn't hurt as much as a normal suplex.

We just have to be told that it is a finishing move for it to become infinately more powerful. Cody Rhodes uses a DDT as a finisher doesn't he? His would be no more powerful than one delivered by HHH or Jericho yet it is enough for Cody to get the win. Prime example, The Legdrop of Doom.
To me, within kayfabe/canon, it's not a question of the move itself but the person delivering it. If it was the move, then why wouldn't everyone on the roster be busting out Stone Cold Stunners and Pedigrees? They're professional competitive sportsmen, aren't they? Wouldn't it make sense for them to simply use some of the finishers which have been most successful over the years?

It's not about the actual move itself. The effectiveness needs to be credited to the person delivering it, not the manoevre in its own right.

Any move can be a finisher. It just needs to be established that this particular move is the most devastating move in somebody's arsenal, and that they have absolutely perfected it to the point that they perform the move better and with more success than anyone else in the business.

If a guy decides to use, say, a knee drop as a finisher, that's fine, as long as we are kept in mind that this guy has relentlessly practised and absolutely perfected the art of delivering a knee drop, to the point where he has the best knee drop in the business and is capable of pinning anybody he nails with it.
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:05 AM   #39
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That's pretty much what William Regal has done with his knee lift. I can personally buy Regal being tough enough to kill someone with his well-aimed knee strikes. Unfortunately, while my nephew saw it, he asked how that could possibly beat someone because of the general stakes a knee lift is given.

However, even though many question it, because John Cena himself does the Attitude Adjustment, people take it seriously as a finisher. The wrestler needs to be built up as well as the move. A Silver Spoon DDT from Cody Rhodes will look more devasting if both Rhodes and the DDT were given credibility.

In other words, if John Cena started using a superplex, I think the WWE could sell it as a legitimate finisher, but if Funaki started doing it, people would be like "what the fuck, dude?" I think a good finisher is really crucial to helping a guy get over in the mid-card. Primo Colon is someone that I think needs to find a move that he can make "his own." It gives them, and their matches, a little more gravity. And by the time they are credible enough that they could use a superplex to finish matches, they'll already have this already swank finisher that they don't need to replace with anything like that.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:33 PM   #40
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the overdrive that Orton had was to worst finisher EVER!....Finlay has a pretty good one though.
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