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Old 06-22-2009, 11:41 AM   #1
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Who is the best at "selling"?
I was watching some Val Venis matches from Heat against guys like Snitsky, DH Smith, Paul Burchill and I think that Val is possibly one of the best guys at selling a move. He made Burchill look like the Hulk because of the way he rolled around in pain or screamed when Burchill hit him with an elbow or submission. Who else jumps ouit in your man as a person who can make a wrestler who is generic and make them look like a powerhouse in the ring. The only other name I can really think of would be Shawn Michaels the way he flopps around, and dose back rolls when he is selling.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:43 AM   #2
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Randall Keith Orton and RVD straight off the top of my head
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Old 06-22-2009, 12:34 PM   #5
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Of all time I'd have to say Mr. Perfect.
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Old 06-22-2009, 02:27 PM   #10
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What makes HBK so great at selling is not just the looks on his face, but that he actually stays down for the right amount of time when somebody performs a big move on him. Same thing with his kick outs. There is a big difference in kicking out right on two and right before three and HBK is great at timing those, depending where he is in the match.

Flair and Perfect for the same reasons, but HBK is the best on the roster right now. Punk, Jericho, and Edge are pretty great too.
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Randall Keith Orton and RVD straight off the top of my head
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Old 06-22-2009, 04:25 PM   #13
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If selling means making the other guy look good, then Mick Foley hands down.
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I dont know, I thought that always happens in a Hogan match, to include the Benny Hill music
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Old 06-22-2009, 05:04 PM   #16
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in the game right now, i'd say Jeff Hardy or Orton. The Rock can sell the hell out of a move. Him selling the stunner and the spear are greatness and uniqueness
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Old 06-22-2009, 05:15 PM   #18
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Thing about selling.

It's more than just 'how' they sell, it's about who they are and how they sell with respect of who they are.

For me, Benoit was a great seller at the time, you know, before, that.

Right now, I'd say Evan Bourne, mainly because you instantly connect with him, as he's always going to be an underdog, so his selling really matches his style and gains his sympathy.

Jeff, is a decent seller, but he dead sells too much for my liking (taking a big bump and just laying there after, with Jeff, it's more about the bump than the sell of the move IMO)
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Good post Dave!

Gotta agree with Benoit, and RVD as well. I loved the way RVD would always shout "Owh!" after a kick or something.
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Old 06-23-2009, 10:57 PM   #23
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I always thought Tommy Dreamer was good at selling. Kevin Steen is probably the best in ROH, which isn't saying much since selling doesn't happen much in the indies.

Shawn Michaels is pretty good at selling but he always looks like he got hit with a truck which sometimes is good and other times is bad.

Randy Orton is really great at selling, watch Royal Rumble 2005 his match against Triple H and you'll see great selling of a concussion.

Rob Van Dam flops too much after a move but the way he takes a move is amazing like how he took the RKO. But a sell is more than taking the move.

Foley was great at selling but a lot of the times he wasn't really "selling" he was actually hurt.

I like Christopher Daniel's selling, but I like his everything (make the gay jokes if you will).

I think the best person a "selling" is...

Samoa Joe.

Which is the strangest thing because for the majority of his career he's been booked as an unstopable killing machine but when a wrestler does get to him he sells it just right. Their have been many times where he's sold a injury so well I thought he was legit hurt only to find out he was fine. He also is able to put a rage behind his sell as if not only he's hurt but he's also pissed that he's hurt.
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Samoa Joe.

Which is the strangest thing because for the majority of his career he's been booked as an unstopable killing machine but when a wrestler does get to him he sells it just right. Their have been many times where he's sold a injury so well I thought he was legit hurt only to find out he was fine. He also is able to put a rage behind his sell as if not only he's hurt but he's also pissed that he's hurt.
Joe in 2003-2004 was so incredible to watch because of this. He made people believe in wrestlers who had no chance of winning.
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I know he does the no sell...

But at WM 24 when facing Edge the Undertaker did a good job selling a back injury.
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Old 06-24-2009, 02:43 AM   #28
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RVD sells ddts like noone else

But i gotta go with Mr. Perfect and Kanyon
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But i gotta go with Mr. Perfect and Kanyon
He doesn't sell a DDT like no one else, he takes one like no one else, there's a difference.

And personally I hate it when guys take a move differently from everyone else, it's like with Rikishi did that spin flip from a line, no matter how small the guy giving it to him, he spins out when he gets clothslined, makes no sense
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I still want to know how the fuck RVD did this:
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Is it just me, or the whole point of 'selling' to make it as subtle as possible?

In which case, RVD is at the back of the crowd
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I'm not saying that is good or bad selling, but I still want to know how the hell he bounced like a damn basketball off the top of his head.
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I always thought RVD took it by using his hands and pushing himself back up

After closer inspection it appears that’s not the case

Then I thought it was Tommy helping him, again no, as he’s leaning back too much.

So,

Watch his legs, on impact he bends them, and almost kips up on impact, so, it almost looks like he’s doing half a kip up from Tommy’s legs once he takes the bump, totally agree it’s an insane bump.

Remember that the ECW ring was super bouncy as well, that probably helped
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Old 06-25-2009, 05:01 AM   #36
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Is it just me, or the whole point of 'selling' to make it as subtle as possible?

In which case, RVD is at the back of the crowd
I think the sell in this case shows that Dreamer is a beast when it comes to a Piledriver.
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:22 AM   #37
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Remember that the ECW ring was super bouncy as well, that probably helped
Yea, I remember that about the ECW ring. The ring itself was very bouncy and yet the ropes where extremely tightly bound. It was kinda like one of those situations where your baking and burn something on the outside but it's still frozen inside.
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Old 06-27-2009, 11:17 PM   #38
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Of course, I'm going to jump at the chance to praise Val Venis. I really did like the man's selling. It was probably a big reason he was kept around so long, despite no real plans to use him. The man could just make a guy look like a monster. Venis was especially good at selling back bumps.

I'm trying to avoid the obvious big names like Shawn Michaels or The Rock. But I'd like to put over the selling ability of Paul Burchill. Not only does he take moves well, but Burchill makes everything that he hits his opponent with look credible, as well as making everything his opponent hits him with look credible, as well.

Dolph Ziggler has also been incredibly fun to watch bump around for The Great Khali and Jeff Hardy on SmackDown!.
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