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Old 12-05-2009, 09:47 PM   #1
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Anyone exicted to see Bryan Danielson in the WWE?

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Old 12-05-2009, 09:50 PM   #2
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:52 PM   #3
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:54 PM   #4
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No idea who he is. So I guess... yes?
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:55 PM   #5
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:56 PM   #6
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:58 PM   #7
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dude i hope the fans still chant that!!
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:09 PM   #8
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It'll be my first time seeing him so yeah I think I am excited
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:10 PM   #9
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Damn right I am waiting, but also scared that they may give him a dumb gimmick.
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:14 PM   #10
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:15 PM   #11
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Definitely excited, but still slightly concerned. We'll see what they end up doing with him.
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:18 PM   #12
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:21 PM   #13
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Shawn Michaels' boys have always been treated fairly well by the WWE. Lance Cade eventually got to hang with Chris Jericho until he fucked up (by the way, is he still meant to be under contract?). Brian Kendrick got far more of a push than anyone thought he would.

With the WWE looking for new stars, and Triple H, Shawn Michaels and William Regal all backing the guy -- if he is saddled with something dumb, it will be only to test him. However, the WWE are reportedly letting Danielson bypass developmental. That is a rare occurence. Even Low Ki got sent there for a while (technically, he's still down there). I think Danielson will be alright.
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:28 PM   #14
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Shawn Michaels' boys have always been treated fairly well by the WWE. Lance Cade eventually got to hang with Chris Jericho until he fucked up (by the way, is he still meant to be under contract?). Brian Kendrick got far more of a push than anyone thought he would.

With the WWE looking for new stars, and Triple H, Shawn Michaels and William Regal all backing the guy -- if he is saddled with something dumb, it will be only to test him. However, the WWE are reportedly letting Danielson bypass developmental. That is a rare occurence. Even Low Ki got sent there for a while (technically, he's still down there). I think Danielson will be alright.
That sounds good, but the only problem I see, is one I have seen with Punk. Like Punk, Danielson is a IWC darling. So I really wouldnt be surprised to see Danielson not get pushed for a while just so WWE can say, "he really isnt as great as everyone thinks he is".
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:20 PM   #15
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That sounds good, but the only problem I see, is one I have seen with Punk. Like Punk, Danielson is a IWC darling. So I really wouldnt be surprised to see Danielson not get pushed for a while just so WWE can say, "he really isnt as great as everyone thinks he is".
I hope not. Punk didn't really have a problem out the gate; it was when he started to get pops that were making other guys nervous that he started to job to Hardcore Holly.

The more I think about it, the more I think that I would very much enjoy Bryan Danielson joining CM Punk's stable, and eventually revealing himself to be The Rock to Punk's Faarooq. Danielson would be the less preachy, and would just admire the honour and discipline of Punk -- not so much how he thinks he can save everyone. Then Danielson can tell Punk to shut up one night, and elbow the fuck out of him.

CM Punk, Luke Gallows, Maria (as Luke Gallows' girlfriend, bringing up the past Maria and Festus had, with Gallows now being sober), Curt Hawkins and Bryan Danielson as The Straight-Edge Society?
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:21 PM   #16
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I don't think I've actually seen that Regal vs. Danielson match.
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:24 PM   #17
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:25 PM   #18
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That match makes me excited for a future MOTY. Yes I said it. John Cena can be in a MOTY.
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:57 PM   #19
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That match makes me excited for a future MOTY. Yes I said it. John Cena can be in a MOTY.
He already won the Match of the year in 2007 when he faced HBK for almost 60 minutes in England on RAW. But yes, that would be a Match of the year, that was Danielson before he had really hit his stride.
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:03 PM   #20
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:20 PM   #21
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:48 PM   #22
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I was just thinking about it and I got a cool way to bring in Danielson. I wish they would do about three weeks of videos promo's with Danielson targeting Punk, not ignoring their past, hammering into his preachy antics, and how he has stopped those antics once before and ran him away, and now he has come to do it again in WWE.
So on Smackdown! one night Festus (forgot his new name) is in a squash match with a masked jobber. CM Punk is ringside. Festus just destorys this guy for like three minutes. Really puts over all his power moves and stiff the shit out of the guy Colin Delaney style. The guy gets no offense. Festus pins him. Then the tron shows a promo from Danielson saying basically what I said earlier. Then the tron turns off. Festus and Punk are in the ring. The masked jobber kips up and takes off the mask. It's Bryan Danielson. And he's a fucking bad ass and not hurt at all. He takes out Punk and Festus easily. Punk runs for the hills. Festus is in the ring still and gets kicked in the chest 20 times. BOOM Danielson is in.
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I was just thinking about it and I got a cool way to bring in Danielson. I wish they would do about three weeks of videos promo's with Danielson targeting Punk, not ignoring their past, hammering into his preachy antics, and how he has stopped those antics once before and ran him away, and now he has come to do it again in WWE.
So on Smackdown! one night Festus (forgot his new name) is in a squash match with a masked jobber. CM Punk is ringside. Festus just destorys this guy for like three minutes. Really puts over all his power moves and stiff the shit out of the guy Colin Delaney style. The guy gets no offense. Festus pins him. Then the tron shows a promo from Danielson saying basically what I said earlier. Then the tron turns off. Festus and Punk are in the ring. The masked jobber kips up and takes off the mask. It's Bryan Danielson. And he's a fucking bad ass and not hurt at all. He takes out Punk and Festus easily. Punk runs for the hills. Festus is in the ring still and gets kicked in the chest 20 times. BOOM Danielson is in.
I agree with the WWE policy of the slow-build. Giving Bryan a bigger push than both Jericho and Big Show combined is not the right way to get the fans behind him.

If anything, I'd like to see him side with CM Punk and join his stable. Maybe tag with CM Punk after a few months and have a Tag Title run before eventually breaking it off.

If this was a less prestigious company I'd say it's a cool angle idea but, the WWE just does not do business like that.
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:48 PM   #24
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Sounds like a job squad Noid.
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Sounds like a job squad Noid.
I'd prefer it if Punk's group was made up of guys without the best records behind them. Putting a bunch of strong characters with Punk's strong character just dilutes those who join with him. Punk should be like The Joker -- he goes after weak and damaged minds to form his army.

And "Straight-Edge Society" was what Todd Grisham and Matt Striker were alluding to it being called on SmackDown!.
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I'm not saying everyone has to be a main eventer. But people with some level of success in the company would be nice. So at least when they join it means something, and it's not like "Who the fuck is Curt Hawkins? And why is he on my t.v.?"
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Part of the angle would be to hopefully get those sort of guys over.
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What I'm trying to say though, is Punk hasn't been given enough steam to get a bunch of jobbers over. He's great on the mic... and yeah I am down with Luke Gallows, but then to add more jobbers?

Maybe someone with some success previously in the company would be cool, a Shelton Benjamin type so it's not a complete job squad. A Carlito type as well. Not necesarilly THOSE guys, but you know, guys dwindling in the mid card unable to break the glass ceiling. But Curt Hawkins? Come on!
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Old 12-06-2009, 06:11 PM   #32
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What I'm trying to say though, is Punk hasn't been given enough steam to get a bunch of jobbers over. He's great on the mic... and yeah I am down with Luke Gallows, but then to add more jobbers?

Maybe someone with some success previously in the company would be cool, a Shelton Benjamin type so it's not a complete job squad. A Carlito type as well. Not necesarilly THOSE guys, but you know, guys dwindling in the mid card unable to break the glass ceiling. But Curt Hawkins? Come on!
I don't think there's a sure-fire way of "getting someone over" to be honest. I know that CM Punk is a great talent and has more heat than Randy Orton with half the effort. I also know that it'd be interesting to watch CM Punk's stable grow.

Bryan Danielson would be a perfect fit for the Straight-Edge cult because he's pretty much straight-edge in real life and wouldn't have to change much about his persona for this to work.

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"My name is Bryan. I barter my wrestling services in exchange for food, clothes and shelter. And money. Fortunately, I don't mind wearing spandex. Wrestling has allowed me to travel the world, and for that, I am indebted to all the fans who support our great sport around the globe.
When I'm not wrestling, I live a simple life filled with friends, family, and outdoor activities. I love music and books and playing sports and learning new things. I don't watch television, drink or do drugs. I will not judge you if you do any of those things. Feel free to send me messages and leave comments, but please understand that I may not be able to respond to all of them. I will, however, try my best."

I really hope Bryan teams up with CM Punk when he comes out, it'd open up a lot of potential for great matches.
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Old 12-06-2009, 11:36 PM   #33
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What I'm trying to say though, is Punk hasn't been given enough steam to get a bunch of jobbers over. He's great on the mic... and yeah I am down with Luke Gallows, but then to add more jobbers?

Maybe someone with some success previously in the company would be cool, a Shelton Benjamin type so it's not a complete job squad. A Carlito type as well. Not necesarilly THOSE guys, but you know, guys dwindling in the mid card unable to break the glass ceiling. But Curt Hawkins? Come on!
I guess we just disagree. Luke Gallows is far from a jobber. As Festus, he was booked to hang with The Undertaker. Right now, he has been running rough-shed over guys like Matt Hardy and R-Truth. Neither of those men is a jobber, and in fact, both are very over components of SmackDown!.

Bryan Danielson would be new, which does not equate to a jobber. If they bring him in and talk up his pedigree, and give him the same sort of credibility that they have lended Sheamus or Drew McIntyre, then he won't look like a jobber at all. He'll just be some straight-edge guy that CM Punk brought in, who is kicking ass. Maria is a Diva, she should not count as a jobber. The only problem with her joining is that it leaves Mickie James as like the only female babyface on the brand -- but a Beth Phoenix turn would be possible. But hell, they could go the other way and have Gallows call Maria an "enabler," and go after her, while some guy stands up for Maria, and Punk just grins knowing the past between him and Miss Kanellis. Get a more dominant woman like Phoenix to join.

Curt Hawkins, in my opinion, is PERFECT for the group. He's been gone a long time and could use the re-invention. Apparently his new look is right up the emo/alternative alley. Hawkins' character is already established as a challenger. He is not only one of the youngest champions in WWE history, but he is also one of the youngest men to be involved in a WrestleMania main event (The Undertaker vs. Edge). He was meant to be going straight to the top, but then Zack Ryder left for ECW, and he was left with nothing but substances to get him through, and he almost drifted through the cracks as a result. Hawkins could talk about how gifted and talented he is, going as far as to call himself "a prodigy," and how CM Punk stopped his self-destructive ways from getting in the way of his career.

I just can't think of any guys currently established who would fit a straight-edge faction without it being a step-down for their characters. Maybe The Hart Dynasty? But aren't they fine doing their own thing?
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I guess we just disagree. Luke Gallows is far from a jobber. As Festus, he was booked to hang with The Undertaker. Right now, he has been running rough-shed over guys like Matt Hardy and R-Truth. Neither of those men is a jobber, and in fact, both are very over components of SmackDown!.

Bryan Danielson would be new, which does not equate to a jobber. If they bring him in and talk up his pedigree, and give him the same sort of credibility that they have lended Sheamus or Drew McIntyre, then he won't look like a jobber at all. He'll just be some straight-edge guy that CM Punk brought in, who is kicking ass. Maria is a Diva, she should not count as a jobber. The only problem with her joining is that it leaves Mickie James as like the only female babyface on the brand -- but a Beth Phoenix turn would be possible. But hell, they could go the other way and have Gallows call Maria an "enabler," and go after her, while some guy stands up for Maria, and Punk just grins knowing the past between him and Miss Kanellis. Get a more dominant woman like Phoenix to join.

Curt Hawkins, in my opinion, is PERFECT for the group. He's been gone a long time and could use the re-invention. Apparently his new look is right up the emo/alternative alley. Hawkins' character is already established as a challenger. He is not only one of the youngest champions in WWE history, but he is also one of the youngest men to be involved in a WrestleMania main event (The Undertaker vs. Edge). He was meant to be going straight to the top, but then Zack Ryder left for ECW, and he was left with nothing but substances to get him through, and he almost drifted through the cracks as a result. Hawkins could talk about how gifted and talented he is, going as far as to call himself "a prodigy," and how CM Punk stopped his self-destructive ways from getting in the way of his career.

I just can't think of any guys currently established who would fit a straight-edge faction without it being a step-down for their characters. Maybe The Hart Dynasty? But aren't they fine doing their own thing?

At the end of the day people view Festus as a jobber because when he was "hanging" with the Undertaker (aka losing to him) it was a long time ago, since then he's lost a lot, and not been on t.v. Have you seen what's happened to Jesse?

Bryan Danielson is a no name guy. They can build him all they like and I am down with him being there, but noone knows who the fuck he is.

You can't have a stable where it's Festus, Danielson and Curt Hawkins. Jesus. We already have legacy... how about a stable where guys aren't total lackies? Dibiase and Rhodes had their little run against DX but at the end of the day they're just souped up lackies.

It would be cool if someone who's of higher profile like William Regal or something joined the group. I know he has his little stable in ECW but he'd be awesome with Punk. Regal isn't mega over but the audience at least has the slightest fucking clue who he is lol.

Curt Hawkins? Really? lol. Damnit Noid.
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I think Matt Hardy would have been a good fit if they had kept him heel, as he would dedicate his life to the straight-edged life style after seeing his brother's fall due to drugs.

The whole Jeff referencing has been beaten, I know, but I think it would have worked well in Matt's case, at least for his introduction to the stable.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Danielson..as for his debut..I'd really just like to see him get over the simple way and have good, hard fought matches on ECW or SD! as a babyface against mid-carders and win over the audience in a "I respect this guy" type of deal.

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At the end of the day people view Festus as a jobber because when he was "hanging" with the Undertaker (aka losing to him) it was a long time ago, since then he's lost a lot, and not been on t.v. Have you seen what's happened to Jesse?

Bryan Danielson is a no name guy. They can build him all they like and I am down with him being there, but noone knows who the fuck he is.

You can't have a stable where it's Festus, Danielson and Curt Hawkins. Jesus. We already have legacy... how about a stable where guys aren't total lackies? Dibiase and Rhodes had their little run against DX but at the end of the day they're just souped up lackies.

It would be cool if someone who's of higher profile like William Regal or something joined the group. I know he has his little stable in ECW but he'd be awesome with Punk. Regal isn't mega over but the audience at least has the slightest fucking clue who he is lol.

Curt Hawkins? Really? lol. Damnit Noid.
Jesse is playing a comedy gimmick. Festus is playing a serious bad-ass role. Because of his size, Festus will get over as "Luke Gallows." Danielson may be a no-name guy, but you debut him strongly and suddenly he's a name. I don't see the problem there. Fuck, put him over John Morrison and talk about what an upset it is, and suddenly people care about him and his individual program with Morrison, as well as his part in Punk's army.

I get that you think they need a "name," but who would join? Shad has been thrown around, and he is a possibility. But he sort of makes Luke Gallows as the muscle redundant. Matt Hardy could join, but it'd be Matt playing second-fiddle, it'd be another heel turn. It could be cool, but what would Matt do with the role? Win the IC Title? Matt is surely above that by this stage in his career.

thedamndest is correct in what he is saying, but I think that "low-level guys going cult for Punk" thing is actually the best way to do it. The straight-edge thing is not going to work for every main eventer. It's Punk's story, and if you give that to another top star, it drains that away from Punk. Especially if you focus on them as individuals within the role.

The problem would be making sure that Punk's minions don't fade away into the character, and that could be easily avoided. Danielson could feud with Morrison, and that set of matches would be MOTY quality stuff. After that, people will be begging to see Danielson turn on Punk. Curt Hawkins has got a history with quite a few characters on the WWE roster. Zack Ryder is on ECW, granted, but Hawkins could start showing up on ECW and trying to convince Ryder to change his ways, or whatever.

If it were up to me, we'd be seeing an entirely different group based around CM Punk right now (one sponsored by Vince McMahon, including Drew McIntyre and Kane as the muscle), but I don't think a "Straight-Edge Army" consisting of main event guys is going to work.
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Bryan Danielson would be okay as well, but not with a bunch of OTHER no names. Noone would know wtf was going on.
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