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HBK will end The Undertaker's Streak 22 30.99%
Undertaker will bury HBK's Career 49 69.01%
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Old 02-23-2010, 02:37 AM   #1
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Who will win? HBK or Undertaker?
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Old 02-23-2010, 02:50 AM   #2
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Last year I was convinced that the Undertaker would win.

This year I am less certain. Almost to the point where I want to come out and state that HBK will win this one guaranteed. However, I realize every time I come close to doing that it's merely for the "I told you so" reaction that I could have. I'm not that type of person, though.

I don't want to see Taker's mania streak come to an end. HBK, however, is probably the most realistic person to end it.

I'll go with Taker, but it wont surprise me either way. If HBK does win, though, it better be better than last year and the finish better be one of those that we discuss 15-20 years from now as an all-time classic.
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Old 02-23-2010, 02:59 AM   #3
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One question is going through my mind right now: What the fuck do they do with Shawn Michaels if he can't beat The Undertaker? That's one thing I will applaud the WWE on -- they've set this up as more than just another Taker Mania match. This is heaven or hell for the streak, it seems. If The Undertaker wins, he looks absolutely invincible at WrestleMania, and the streak becomes even more legendary. If Shawn Michaels wins, well, he gets a crowning achievement in his career.

My gut is telling me that The Undertaker wins again, and then hopefully drops the streak off in 2011 to someone. It's too big a thing to not be used to give someone a rub. I hope that this year we see The Undertaker polish another person off with Hell's Gate.
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Old 02-23-2010, 03:07 AM   #4
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I agree with you on the rub. It could be what propels a JoMo, Drew McIntyre, Sheamus or any number of guys who are in that group to greatness. Though, it could just as easily what puts a guy like Cena into that elite group along the lines of Hogan, Rock and Austin.

What do they do with Shawn if he doesn't win? Make him go crazy, senile. Permanent heel run. He takes his time off and comes back and obliterates Triple H upon his return. Then he targets Cena, Edge/Orton (whichever of the two is the face at this point), etc. Give him a title run at some point. I'd like to see it. He could work well as a senile, crazy, over the hill, paranoid schizo who thinks everyone is out to finish his career.

You could run with that until the end of his career and give the rub of finishing his career to someone who is in the process of achieving greatness.
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Old 02-23-2010, 03:16 AM   #5
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I dunno, I've always had a problem with guys who agree, even if only in kayfabe, to a "career threatening match", they lose and then it gets used as the catalyst for a "one more time" run. It's like a giant middle finger to all the fans who remember what was supposed to be _________'s retirement match, as it's basically a promise to one's self and the fans and promoter that you will never again wrestle.

Also, I see no reason, at WM XXVI, XXVII or at any other WrestleMania, for The Undertaker to give up his win streak. He should run it to 20-0 at Mania XXVIII in 2013, and then retire by SummerSlam of that year with his Mania streak intact. If he doesn't, what the fuck sort of legacy or defining moment will we be able to remember him by? Also, it just seems to be too big for Vince to just let go, especially if in the future, for 'Taker's inevitable induction into the HoF, they want to use that as a focal point in the promotional stuff for his induction. Plus, not to mention what sort of sentimental value that you'd at least think something he poured his life, his heart and his soul into for nearly 20 years.

Not tryin' to flame on either point, just my points of view on those issues.
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Old 02-23-2010, 03:21 AM   #6
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I don't even think the streak was intentional. People only really started to notice it when JR made the observation at WrestleMania X-7 that The Undertaker was had whatever number of wins to no losses at Mania. And then Taker faced Ric Flair, and then he faced The Undertaker & A-Train, and then he faced Kane, and only then did it become a big focus of Taker's Mania legacy, when he had an extra four wins to what he started with.

As for legacy The Undertaker will leave behind? How about being arguably the best big man of all-time? How about being a legendary character, and the man who proved that a "gimmick" could take you all the way. How about several classic matches, World Title reigns, a few WrestleMania main events and being one of the most well-known names in the history of professional wrestling? How about being the man who was undefeated at WrestleMania for 18 appearances, or whatever the fuck it will be? That's no small feat.

And it's not like his career needs to end when the streak does. Taker existed before the streak, and he can exist after it.
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Old 02-23-2010, 04:06 AM   #7
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The only way I wanted this match to happen was if HBK wins. He is my all-time favorite wrestler and the only guy I still genuinely mark out for. If Taker wins AGAIN, it just does not serve a purpose. They could have just ended it on last year's amazing match. HBK splitting the series and Taker losing the streak to the man who pulled the best match of his career out of him is just fitting. Also, HBK pinning Taker and ending the streak would become my absolute favorite moment in all my years watching wrestling.

Now, that being said, I will speak with my brain and not my heart. I see very little chance of Taker losing this match. It's just not in the cards. I have my doubts that the streak will ever be broken. Which is unfortunate since it is an easy historical moment that will just be thrown away for the sake of keeping the story of the streak alive forever.
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Old 02-23-2010, 04:48 AM   #8
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Did anyone ever actually retire after losing a career on the line match?
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Old 02-23-2010, 04:50 AM   #9
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Is HBK's career even on the line? I hope they don't go that route.
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Old 02-23-2010, 04:52 AM   #10
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Is HBK's career even on the line? I hope they don't go that route.
Yeah, Taker told Shawn on Raw last night that he'd only wrestle HBK at Mania if Shawn put his career on the line.

I personally like that they're going this route with the angle. Brings some unpredictability to the match.
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Yeah, Taker told Shawn on Raw last night that he'd only wrestle HBK at Mania if Shawn put his career on the line.

I personally like that they're going this route with the angle. Brings some unpredictability to the match.
Ha. Forgot RAW was today. Fuck it.
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Really don't want to see the streak end, but I think it will. Just because I can't see this being HBK's last match, despite how big a match it is.

I've stated my feelings on the streak, at length, numerous times here, so I'm not going to repeat myself again.
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Old 02-23-2010, 04:57 AM   #13
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Too bad they couldn't get The Rock.

That's really the only WWE dream match that's left, since shawn came back, if I'm not mistaken.

No match I want to see, more than that one, atm.
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Old 02-23-2010, 05:00 AM   #14
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I don't count Rock vs Cena or Batista, because their in-ring skills aren't on the same level as other dream matches shawn has been in. It's only a dream match from a popularity standpoint. Like hbk vs hogan.
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Old 02-23-2010, 05:04 AM   #15
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I can't decide, if HBK loses I seriously doubt he'll be gone for good. But HBK ending 'Taker's streak would be huge!
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a double count out, a tie, a draw, a dirty win, a dq.... nothing like that.

i think most of us will be happy as long as its clean
HBK deserves this accolade, but doesnt need it to be one of the greatest.

someone like cena doesnt deserve it, but needs it to be great.

a bit like the end of the dark night
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Old 02-23-2010, 05:41 AM   #17
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Damn, it's gonna be awesome. The build up to it will be great, for sure.
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a double count out, a tie, a draw, a dirty win, a dq.... nothing like that.

I was thinking this might happen, considering they are both taking time off afterwards. Not a countout or anything gay like that, but some massive bump or scenario that takes them both out. That would explain on the show, why both are taking time off, and taker leaves with his streak intact, shawn with his career.
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I would love for Shawn to have the honor, but I think that the streak should stay in tact. I really don't want the Undertaker to lose, it is awesome that he is undefeated at Wrestlemania and I think it should stay that way.
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It seems like Undertaker losing to HBK would be a sort of "compromise" in regards to his Wrestlemania streak that I would really have no problem with.

One extreme direction to go is dropping the streak to "newcomer/up-an-comer", essentially using the rub to skyrocket a career. The other extreme direction would be the streak just not ending and Taker retiring with it.

Losing to HBK seems like meeting somewhere in the middle. The streak isn't eternal, but instead of The Undertaker having to drop it to someone deeper down the card perhaps next year or the year after(Miz, Morrison, Punk, generic new wrestler), he would be able to lose to one of the most respected men in the business and possibly the greatest wrestler of all time.

I think Undertaker will win again btw. They are both taking time off after 'Mania and the retirement angle just makes too much sense. However, if The Undertaker WAS going to end his streak, I think he would want to do it against someone like Shawn Michaels.
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HBK will win. Here is why:

1) There has been little/no build up to Shawn retiring. From a booking perspective, perhaps having the odd comment being said about HBK getting a little "past his best" and other things would add another dimension. It was done so well with his match against Flair (Though granted, it was the main focal point of the match), you'd have thought they'd have incorporated the same again. Maybe have HBK announce the stipulation earlier on. Instead- it seems a bit thrown in at the end.

2) I've not read anything on the wrestling dirt sheets that indicate HBK is ready to retire. Just a few statements that both he and Taker will be spending time off after the match, like they did last year. Now I know to take what I read on the dirt sheets with a pinch of salt, but with a major event like HBK hanging up his boots, you'd have thought we'd have heard something.

3) The build up has all been HBK focused. This seems like HBK's story, not Taker's. HBK is the one with something to prove. HBK is desperate to get the rematch, etc... Taker has played a small part in the feud so far. He's been super kicked, and that’s really it.

4) Taker won the last match. -Now granted, in the wacky world of wrestling, anything can happen. But I'll bet my bottom dollar that because Taker won the last one, HBK will want Taker to do the job this time round. Plus I don’t think Shawn has the ability to handle loosing to Taker twice without getting anything out of it.

I think it'll still steal the show, mind. With a more solid face/heel dimention, the match has a chance on being better than the first. I think will see HBK pull everything out of his repertoire, only to see Taker kick out of it all. We'll see a ref bump, and HBK taking advantage with a steel chair / foreign object to finish the job.

/Gets ready to eat his words when Taker wins again.
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I was thinking this might happen, considering they are both taking time off afterwards. Not a countout or anything gay like that, but some massive bump or scenario that takes them both out. That would explain on the show, why both are taking time off, and taker leaves with his streak intact, shawn with his career.
Though plausible, I can't help but think that this result would be like the most gigantic middle finger to the fans imaginable. Wrestlemania is usually about closure, and I think that would be about as far from resolving anything as you can get
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This match has tremendous build up but inspite of all that I still do not see HBK ending the streak.
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I think losing to taker could be the best way to turn him full on heel. He's still not there yet. He can just snap, after the match, and deliver a beatdown on taker. Then comeback afterwards breaking the deal he made to get the match, to get himself even more heat.
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I think losing to taker could be the best way to turn him full on heel. He's still not there yet. He can just snap, after the match, and deliver a beatdown on taker. Then comeback afterwards breaking the deal he made to get the match, to get himself even more heat.
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:10 AM   #26
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Like, HBK is one of those superstars who needs to do something really dispicable to get the fans to turn on him 100%. Going back on his word like that will do it I think.
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That would be tremendous, Fignuts. The idea of heel Shawn Michaels is just brilliant, too. It would freshen him up so much, and the feuds he could have would be absolutely captivating. The idea of face Edge vs. heel Shawn?
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:16 AM   #28
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Undertaker wins, HBK retires, but reurns in 2 months for a "One Night Only" DX reunion.
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Sadly, KK has hit the nail on the head.
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im thinking no matter who wins MITB will get cashed in as i think the two of them are due time off after Wrestlemania?
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If WWE were thinking of shareholders here...... they would definitely book Undertaker to win at Wrestlemania and continue his streak, here's why, the streak has become a huge marketing tool to not only create DVD sales and T-Shirt sales, but to also boost the PPV buyrate of Wrestlemania and good PPV buyrates are the holy grail for WWE as they account for a huge protion of their overall revenue.

For this, I say Undertaker will go 18-0 at Wrestlemania, give HBK his summer off and then be brought back in some sort of way for SummerSlam.
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Once again, WWE is doing a great job of making the streak seem like it could actually be at risk.
With each passing year, they really find a way to put doubt into even the most jaded fan's minds.
Ever since the streak reached a point where it was marketable as it's own thing, they've had Batista, Edge, and Shawn all come within an inch of breaking it, and it's been pretty wild everytime.

A Shawn/Taker rematch would have been pretty obvious. This stipulation really adds doubt, but I still think Shawn will be retiring before he snaps the streak.
Still, I'm not certain. It will be interesting to watch.

I think next year Taker will face Cena with the streak on the line, and pull out the victory. That will be his last Mania.
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I think losing to taker could be the best way to turn him full on heel. He's still not there yet. He can just snap, after the match, and deliver a beatdown on taker. Then comeback afterwards breaking the deal he made to get the match, to get himself even more heat.
Yes. The only reason I am not 100% certain Shawn will retire is because they still haven't done another Shawn/HHH fued and match culminating at Wrestlemania.

If that was out of the picture, I'd say he's retiring this year. It makes sense, he's burnt out and supposedly wants to. Other than that, there's not much left for him to do.

So I see him coming out of this retirement to face HHH at next years Mania, and then hanging it up. Though, maybe they just won't do that and he wants to cash out now?

Not sure. Either way I think we're in the final stretch of Shawn's career, and probably Undertaker's too.
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If WWE were thinking of shareholders here...... they would definitely book Undertaker to win at Wrestlemania and continue his streak, here's why, the streak has become a huge marketing tool to not only create DVD sales and T-Shirt sales, but to also boost the PPV buyrate of Wrestlemania and good PPV buyrates are the holy grail for WWE as they account for a huge protion of their overall revenue.

For this, I say Undertaker will go 18-0 at Wrestlemania, give HBK his summer off and then be brought back in some sort of way for SummerSlam.
WWE couldn't give a shit about giving someone the right rub anymore. Especially at Mania. Taker's streak is a massive draw. The streak alone will guarentee buyrates for their biggest show of the year. Does anyone really trust Vince and co. to give someone the honor of beating Taker at Mania and then developing them into the next big star? I don't.

Ending the streak is too high risk, imo. But if HBK were to win, which I'm leaning towards, I would not mind at all. It just does't make good business sense.
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In all likeliehood, I see Shawn/Taker having this match, and regardless of outcome both taking a long time off.

I see Taker returning for a short run in the fall and winter, and then a huge money match at Mania 27 with Cena.

I see Shawn leaving, most likely having lost to Taker, with his tail between his legs for most of the year.
In the next year, HHH turns heel and Shawn finally comes back as a face to stop him on one more match.

After that, HOF honors and no more matches.
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Yeah "retiring" in wrestling means nothing. Look at Flair. Foley. Countless people who came back.

I think Taker is going to win but I hope they do something like Austin/Bret where HBK doesn't give up and just gets choked out or something
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im thinking no matter who wins MITB will get cashed in as i think the two of them are due time off after Wrestlemania?
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I'm looking forward to the match, it should be great don't get me wrong. But the idea of a re-match does nothing for me.
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I'm looking forward to the match, it should be great don't get me wrong. But the idea of a re-match does nothing for me.
However Batista/Cena & Jericho/Edge do intrest me very much though those matches won't be as good... Batista/Cena because they're not good enough, Jericho/Edge because they wouldn't be given as much time as Taker/HBK.
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So you're looking forward to it, and you think it will be great? How does that equal it doing nothing for you?
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