College Football Thread 2005-2006 - Page 11

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-27-2005, 02:18 AM

Young doesn't have a "terrible arm." QBs with a terrible arms do not get considered for the Heisman. You can't bring up Crouch either, because he was an more than a "running QB" (Which I would consider Young) he was a straight up Option QB. It's just debateable wether or not his arm is good enough for the NFL. I don't know if he can make all the throws that an NFL QB needs to make, I personally haven't seen it but then again you really can't know for sure until he plays in the Senior Bowl (assuming he stays for another year) or goes to a combine.

Also, Matt Jones was chosen as a wide reciever, he even played wide reciever in the Senior bowl (much like Antwan Randell-El did) Saying the Jags drafted him as a QB is totally false, there was never an intention for him to play QB. Also, why would they draft a QB in the 1st round when they had Leftwich?

**The Outlaw** · 12-27-2005, 02:29 AM

Yeah I got mixed up kid. He went through all the combines as a WR. I actually meant he was "listed" as a QB when they drafted him but everyone knew he was going to be playing WR. But then I remembered he just entered the combine and everything as a WR. I didn't watch the Senior Bowl so.

**BCWWF** · 12-27-2005, 04:07 AM

Of course Vince Young says he is coming back. If Texas loses in the Rose Bowl I can see him coming back and going for the Heisman (although it won't be any easier).

That being said, I did a little research last night about it. Quite frankly I was shocked to see multiple people assuming Young won't be drafted as a quarterback, I had never even heard the idea mentioned before. What I found though, Mel Kiper has him as the third best QB prospect behind Lienart and Quinn. Then in a mock draft on Insider, it basically lists the players in terms of overall ability, and Young was No. 7 I believe.

Unfortunately, I think he holds just a little more credibility than The Miz.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-27-2005, 01:26 PM

Not to be a D-Bag but I am pretty sure Matt Jones was selected as a WR out of Arkansas lol

He even played a little wideout while in college too, much like Marcus Robinson from Penn State. I am about 99% sure Robinson will be a wide out in the NFL.

Maybe Young will play QB in the NFL, I personally don't see how, I've watched him play many times and I didn't really think he had a accurate enough arm for the NFL. Then again Vick plays in the pros and doesn't exactly throw the most accurate passes and he seems to be doing alright.

**Gonzo** · 12-27-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Not to be a D-Bag but I am pretty sure Matt Jones was selected as a WR out of Arkansas lol

He even played a little wideout while in college too, much like Marcus Robinson from Penn State. I am about 99% sure Robinson will be a wide out in the NFL.

Maybe Young will play QB in the NFL, I personally don't see how, I've watched him play many times and I didn't really think he had a accurate enough arm for the NFL. Then again Vick plays in the pros and doesn't exactly throw the most accurate passes and he seems to be doing alright.

Vick is going to be stuck in mediocrity hell for his whole career.

**The Outlaw** · 01-03-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Not to be a D-Bag but I am pretty sure Matt Jones was selected as a WR out of Arkansas lol

He even played a little wideout while in college too, much like Marcus Robinson from Penn State. I am about 99% sure Robinson will be a wide out in the NFL.

He didn't play WR much at all in college. They would line him up there once a game MAYBE because I'm pretty sure they had a fast backup and would mix it up a little. He had like 4 career receptions. Believe me, he played QB 99.9% of the time. What I was stating is that they took him as a QB on draft day but it was implied that he would be a WR. I posted that without really thinking about it because I knew he went through the combines and such as a WR.

**The Miz** · 12-27-2005, 01:58 PM

Hey BCWWF, bookmark this thread, and bump it and laugh at me if Young starts in the NFL. I don't care what Kiper's big boasrd says, I've seen him play and I don't like his chances.

**BCWWF** · 12-27-2005, 03:44 PM

Whats his OPS?

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-27-2005, 05:30 PM

I find it hard to believe that Young is the 3rd rated NFL QB though. Watching a game right now with a QB that looks like he'll be a better QB in the NFL - Charlie Whiteherst from Clemson

**BCWWF** · 12-27-2005, 06:09 PM

I should be there right now, but stupid Colorado had to suck up their last two games

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-28-2005, 12:12 AM

I dunno about all that. That is just your own personal opinion, that is an extremely debateable claim.

**BCWWF** · 12-28-2005, 02:02 AM

No, I kind of agree with Stima. I think in time he could get receivers good enough to make up for his shortcomings in passing and eventually they might be able to find a way to capitolize on his rushing better. I mean if it works so well in college it seems like somebody will find a way to make it work in the pros.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-28-2005, 10:05 PM

From what I've seen, I just think Mike Vick has a better arm then Young. Doesn't mean Young can't make it in the NFL, but Vick is probably the least accurate passer in the NFL and just makes his money on being able to rush. Vick is also a much better rusher then Young, but again that's just my opinion. Young will also have time to grow in both areas, I just personally see him playing Wideout in the NFL.

**Gonzo** · 12-29-2005, 01:03 AM

I would go so far as to say Michael Vick will never play in a Superbowl, let alone win one. There is a reason running QB's don't make it in the NFL, it doesn't work. Defense are too fast and complex.

Now I know I won't be able to come back to any of you and restake my claim about Vick, but like I said, I believe he will be stuck in mediocrity hell. Michael Vick is an athlete and in my opinion, won't ever be in the upper echelon of NFL QB's.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-31-2005, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

I would go so far as to say Michael Vick will never play in a Superbowl, let alone win one. There is a reason running QB's don't make it in the NFL, it doesn't work. Defense are too fast and complex.

Now I know I won't be able to come back to any of you and restake my claim about Vick, but like I said, I believe he will be stuck in mediocrity hell. Michael Vick is an athlete and in my opinion, won't ever be in the upper echelon of NFL QB's.

I don't really think you can call it "mediocrity hell" when defensives in your division build themselves around stopping you. He will never be a "upper echelon" NFL QB becuase he will never put up the stats - atleast not passing wise. He really doesn't have to though, I'm not a Vick D-rider like a lot of people, but at the sametime I'm not a Vick hater either. He is a very different QB, and if you compare him to the typical drop back passer, yeah he is going to look like shit. The threat alone of the run makes the game so much different for the defense, I don't mean just able to scramble good, he is probably one of the greatest, if not the greatest rushing QB of all time. Not dropping back and passing every down makes it tougher for the defense, not easier. A defense is used to a 3 step, 5 step or 7 step drop. They aren't used to playing QBs with running back moves and WR speed. Its a change up for the defense and it has seemed to been working pretty good thus far. Look at the Falcons record without Vick, oh yeah, ask Green Bay fans if Vick is stuck in mediocrity hell, he only handed them their first home playoff loss ever.

And the Superbowl thing, never playing in one? He's already been pretty close once and never winning one? You know who else never won one..Dan Marino

**VonErich Lives** · 12-29-2005, 08:15 PM

Carroll signed an extention, years and dollars not released... I'd assuming $$$ wise it's in the range or more then Wies deal.

**Gonzo** · 12-29-2005, 09:00 PM

Yeah I saw that. If I was in his position I wouldn't want to leave either.

Then again, on these college football boards I frequent, someone mentioned that the contract he signed could just be a recruiting tool. They went on to mention that even though he has a contract he could still possibly end up in the NFL, then used Nick Saban as the example for his theory. Anyone think Carroll ends up in the NFL this year, or possibly in the next few?

I mean he had a crack with the Jets so maybe he might want to try to prove he can do it at the NFL level.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-31-2005, 03:52 AM

To get back on College....LSU romped Miami tonight and then got into a fight after the game. I guess LSU players called a fake punt (after the coach's called a fake FG in the 3rd) on their own in the 4th quarter - pretty gangster if you ask me.

**BCWWF** · 12-31-2005, 06:24 PM

Brad Smith is so the fucking man it's unbelievable. Did anybody besides Outlaw watch the Independence Bowl? I was there, we came back from 21-0 deficit to win 38-31. Awesome.

**BCWWF** · 01-01-2006, 03:43 AM

I just find it kind of interesting when ESPN is doing these polls about USC vs. past champs etc. If you look at the polling results, the states who generally seem to harbor the best fans stick together.

Tonights poll is who is going to win, and it is overwhelmingly USC, but then in Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi all sway towards Texas.

All I know is that I trust an SEC fan more than a Pac-10 fan, and a Big 12 fan more than a Big East fan, which are probably where most the votes are coming from.

RP · 01-02-2006, 06:31 PM

Irish are getting worked.

**The Miz** · 01-02-2006, 07:59 PM

Duh, they finally played a good team.

**Gonzo** · 01-02-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

Duh, they finally played a good team.

Yeah USC is terrible.

It wasn't a bad game, some piss poor defensive execution on the Irish side, those two consecutive third down conversions on tOSU's last TD drive should have been stopped.

All in all, something to build on next year.

**The Miz** · 01-02-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

Yeah USC is terrible.

The University of Stanford
Michigan State University
The University of Syracuse
The United States Naval Academy
Brigham Young University
The University of Washington
Purdue University
The University of Tennessee
The University of Pittsburgh

But um... we should've beat USC!

**Gonzo** · 01-02-2006, 10:23 PM

I'm not saying their schedule wasn't lacking all around, but maybe I misunderstood your intial post. They did play a good team in USC, and another one in tOSU. They fought hard in both games and lost, which brings me to the conclusion that I think they'll be NC contenders within a couple years, hopefully.

**Joey Slugs** · 01-02-2006, 10:49 PM

Tough loss for the Irish tonight but they now have a HUGE base on which to build on now. Quinn for Heisman in 2006!

I tell ya though, that Ginn kid impressed the hell out of me.

**Gonzo** · 01-02-2006, 11:03 PM

Yeah he is good. I think the race for Heisman next year is going to be between Vince Young, Brady Quinn and maybe even Troy Smith. If he plays like he did against the Irish next year, he is definitely a candidate.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-02-2006, 11:27 PM

Too bad that fumble return got called back, it would have made the game more interesting.

I'm real surprised by WVU right now, I really didn't see the Big East champ being able to run all over the SEC Champ - but I guess I was wrong.

**Gonzo** · 01-03-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Too bad that fumble return got called back, it would have made the game more interesting.

I'm real surprised by WVU right now, I really didn't see the Big East champ being able to run all over the SEC Champ - but I guess I was wrong.

Yeah shocked me. I guess I can't really say WVU was a bad team or whatever cause I've never seen them play this year. But the Big East is without a doubt the weakest conference in D-1A ball, which made me think that and I thought Georgia was going to roll. Damn was I wrong. From the looks of it Georgia came back and made it some sort of game.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-03-2006, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

But the Big East is without a doubt the weakest conference in D-1A ball,.

No it's not. Weakest BCS conference- yeah. Weakest conference in all of D1A? Dunno about all that

West Virgina is gonna be real serious for the next few years, with the QB and RB both only being sophomores next season.

**Gonzo** · 01-03-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sTiMa34

No it's not. Weakest BCS conference- yeah. Weakest conference in all of D1A? Dunno about all that

West Virgina is gonna be real serious for the next few years, with the QB and RB both only being sophomores next season.

Yeah shit thats what I meant lol. Weakest BCS conference.

I didn't realize how good WVU really is. I think Louisville will be someone to watch out for in the next 5-10 years.

**RoXer** · 01-03-2006, 12:44 AM

Man, Georgia wasn't even expecting that.

**Boomer** · 01-03-2006, 12:46 AM

That was a hell of a call. Wow.

**Boomer** · 01-03-2006, 12:46 AM

Being a UGA student, it hurts.

Just a little.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 01-03-2006, 01:49 AM

Fear the sweater vest

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 01-03-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme

Fear the sweater vest

THE Ohio State University

**The Outlaw** · 01-03-2006, 01:55 PM

QB from WVU is NASTY. Damn Bama Boy too.

**Innovator** · 01-03-2006, 02:16 PM

How many times did they show Quinn's sister/Hawk's girlfriend? Damn thats all they talked about.

**Joey Slugs** · 01-03-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Innovator

How many times did they show Quinn's sister/Hawk's girlfriend? Damn thats all they talked about.

god that was fucking annoying.

**Innovator** · 01-03-2006, 03:53 PM

I was convinced last night she was a guy, I think I saw an atom's apple

12-27-2005, 02:18 AM	#1
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Young doesn't have a "terrible arm." QBs with a terrible arms do not get considered for the Heisman. You can't bring up Crouch either, because he was an more than a "running QB" (Which I would consider Young) he was a straight up Option QB. It's just debateable wether or not his arm is good enough for the NFL. I don't know if he can make all the throws that an NFL QB needs to make, I personally haven't seen it but then again you really can't know for sure until he plays in the Senior Bowl (assuming he stays for another year) or goes to a combine. Also, Matt Jones was chosen as a wide reciever, he even played wide reciever in the Senior bowl (much like Antwan Randell-El did) Saying the Jags drafted him as a QB is totally false, there was never an intention for him to play QB. Also, why would they draft a QB in the 1st round when they had Leftwich?

12-27-2005, 02:29 AM	#2
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah I got mixed up kid. He went through all the combines as a WR. I actually meant he was "listed" as a QB when they drafted him but everyone knew he was going to be playing WR. But then I remembered he just entered the combine and everything as a WR. I didn't watch the Senior Bowl so.

12-27-2005, 04:07 AM	#3
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Of course Vince Young says he is coming back. If Texas loses in the Rose Bowl I can see him coming back and going for the Heisman (although it won't be any easier). That being said, I did a little research last night about it. Quite frankly I was shocked to see multiple people assuming Young won't be drafted as a quarterback, I had never even heard the idea mentioned before. What I found though, Mel Kiper has him as the third best QB prospect behind Lienart and Quinn. Then in a mock draft on Insider, it basically lists the players in terms of overall ability, and Young was No. 7 I believe. Unfortunately, I think he holds just a little more credibility than The Miz.

12-27-2005, 01:26 PM	#4
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Not to be a D-Bag but I am pretty sure Matt Jones was selected as a WR out of Arkansas lol He even played a little wideout while in college too, much like Marcus Robinson from Penn State. I am about 99% sure Robinson will be a wide out in the NFL. Maybe Young will play QB in the NFL, I personally don't see how, I've watched him play many times and I didn't really think he had a accurate enough arm for the NFL. Then again Vick plays in the pros and doesn't exactly throw the most accurate passes and he seems to be doing alright.

12-27-2005, 01:58 PM	#7
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Hey BCWWF, bookmark this thread, and bump it and laugh at me if Young starts in the NFL. I don't care what Kiper's big boasrd says, I've seen him play and I don't like his chances.

12-27-2005, 03:44 PM	#8
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Whats his OPS?

12-27-2005, 05:30 PM	#9
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I find it hard to believe that Young is the 3rd rated NFL QB though. Watching a game right now with a QB that looks like he'll be a better QB in the NFL - Charlie Whiteherst from Clemson

12-27-2005, 06:09 PM	#10
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I should be there right now, but stupid Colorado had to suck up their last two games

12-28-2005, 12:12 AM	#11
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I dunno about all that. That is just your own personal opinion, that is an extremely debateable claim.

12-28-2005, 02:02 AM	#12
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	No, I kind of agree with Stima. I think in time he could get receivers good enough to make up for his shortcomings in passing and eventually they might be able to find a way to capitolize on his rushing better. I mean if it works so well in college it seems like somebody will find a way to make it work in the pros.

12-28-2005, 10:05 PM	#13
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	From what I've seen, I just think Mike Vick has a better arm then Young. Doesn't mean Young can't make it in the NFL, but Vick is probably the least accurate passer in the NFL and just makes his money on being able to rush. Vick is also a much better rusher then Young, but again that's just my opinion. Young will also have time to grow in both areas, I just personally see him playing Wideout in the NFL.

12-29-2005, 01:03 AM	#14
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I would go so far as to say Michael Vick will never play in a Superbowl, let alone win one. There is a reason running QB's don't make it in the NFL, it doesn't work. Defense are too fast and complex. Now I know I won't be able to come back to any of you and restake my claim about Vick, but like I said, I believe he will be stuck in mediocrity hell. Michael Vick is an athlete and in my opinion, won't ever be in the upper echelon of NFL QB's.

12-29-2005, 08:15 PM	#16
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Carroll signed an extention, years and dollars not released... I'd assuming $$$ wise it's in the range or more then Wies deal.

12-29-2005, 09:00 PM	#17
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Yeah I saw that. If I was in his position I wouldn't want to leave either. Then again, on these college football boards I frequent, someone mentioned that the contract he signed could just be a recruiting tool. They went on to mention that even though he has a contract he could still possibly end up in the NFL, then used Nick Saban as the example for his theory. Anyone think Carroll ends up in the NFL this year, or possibly in the next few? I mean he had a crack with the Jets so maybe he might want to try to prove he can do it at the NFL level.

12-31-2005, 03:52 AM	#18
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	To get back on College....LSU romped Miami tonight and then got into a fight after the game. I guess LSU players called a fake punt (after the coach's called a fake FG in the 3rd) on their own in the 4th quarter - pretty gangster if you ask me.

12-31-2005, 06:24 PM	#19
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Brad Smith is so the fucking man it's unbelievable. Did anybody besides Outlaw watch the Independence Bowl? I was there, we came back from 21-0 deficit to win 38-31. Awesome.

01-01-2006, 03:43 AM	#20
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I just find it kind of interesting when ESPN is doing these polls about USC vs. past champs etc. If you look at the polling results, the states who generally seem to harbor the best fans stick together. Tonights poll is who is going to win, and it is overwhelmingly USC, but then in Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi all sway towards Texas. All I know is that I trust an SEC fan more than a Pac-10 fan, and a Big 12 fan more than a Big East fan, which are probably where most the votes are coming from.

01-02-2006, 06:31 PM	#21
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	Irish are getting worked.

01-02-2006, 07:59 PM	#22
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Duh, they finally played a good team.

01-02-2006, 10:23 PM	#25
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	I'm not saying their schedule wasn't lacking all around, but maybe I misunderstood your intial post. They did play a good team in USC, and another one in tOSU. They fought hard in both games and lost, which brings me to the conclusion that I think they'll be NC contenders within a couple years, hopefully.

01-02-2006, 10:49 PM	#26
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	Tough loss for the Irish tonight but they now have a HUGE base on which to build on now. Quinn for Heisman in 2006! I tell ya though, that Ginn kid impressed the hell out of me.

01-02-2006, 11:03 PM	#27
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Yeah he is good. I think the race for Heisman next year is going to be between Vince Young, Brady Quinn and maybe even Troy Smith. If he plays like he did against the Irish next year, he is definitely a candidate.

01-02-2006, 11:27 PM	#28
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Too bad that fumble return got called back, it would have made the game more interesting. I'm real surprised by WVU right now, I really didn't see the Big East champ being able to run all over the SEC Champ - but I guess I was wrong.

01-03-2006, 12:44 AM	#32
RoXer History's Greatest, Mr. E Posts: 42,425	Man, Georgia wasn't even expecting that.

01-03-2006, 12:46 AM	#33
Boomer The Wretched Posts: 4,690	That was a hell of a call. Wow.

01-03-2006, 01:49 AM	#35
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,757	Fear the sweater vest

01-03-2006, 01:55 PM	#37
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	QB from WVU is NASTY. Damn Bama Boy too.

01-03-2006, 02:16 PM	#38
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	How many times did they show Quinn's sister/Hawk's girlfriend? Damn thats all they talked about.

01-03-2006, 03:53 PM	#40
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	I was convinced last night she was a guy, I think I saw an atom's apple