RED SOXXXXXXXXXXX Part 4 - Page 3

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-22-2006, 02:16 AM

Blue Jays and Cubs both had over .600 win pct versus the Red Sox last season, both teams are so much better than Boston!!!

04-22-2006, 12:46 PM

lol good luck with Dinardo starting against Halladay tonight hahahahaha. Nice starting rotation you got there

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-22-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by L L Cool G

lol good luck with Dinardo starting against Halladay tonight hahahahaha. Nice starting rotation you got there

Yeah but I've been reading in the paper that Wells is thinking about retiring. Obviously they aren't going to stick with DiNardo as a starter, that leaves open the door for Wills/Clemens

Atleast I am hopeful for those two haha, still expecting eitherway to pick up some one pretty dece.

Losing last night sucked, becase that is a game they should have won, and today you don't really expect to win, since Halladay is one of the top pitchers in the MLB.

Maybe the Blue Jays could finally do something after 8 years of the Yankees and Red Sox finishing 1-2 atop the AL east standings. I don't think so though, Burnett is already injuried and a lot of people said the samething about last Baltimore last year (Although I do think the Jays are better then last years O's)

**YOUR Hero** · 04-22-2006, 01:52 PM

I think AJ has to stop over throwing the ball. It's getting him injured.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-22-2006, 02:57 PM

Damn Dinardi gave up 10 H and 7 ER in 3 innings. Everybody is gonna be jumping all over the Arroyo trade now, especially with Wells talking about retirement. Hopefully this opens the door for Clemens.

04-22-2006, 03:02 PM

yeah nice line up stima. YOUR TEAM IS A FRAUD!!!

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-22-2006, 03:26 PM

Have one blow out win and fans think their team is the greatest team ever. So if the Red Sox are as bad as you say, then how come every other game has been decided by 1 or 2 runs? What does that say about the Jays?

**The Miz** · 04-22-2006, 04:07 PM

The Red Sox have played well for 17 out of 162 games. Lets wait until at least deep into May until this kind of discussion

**ct2k** · 04-22-2006, 05:39 PM

Miz has a point. There's still guys hitting over 400, and Albert Pujols is on course for about 90 home runs right now, lets let things settle a little!

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-22-2006, 05:50 PM

I totally agree with you guys, things look pretty good thusfar but obviously shit can change. Especially with injuries and things like that. I don't read too much into wins or loses in April. I pay attention to more stuff like who has been pitching well, how the bullpen is shaping up, how the team looks in close games(Foulke blowing one, allowing Papelbon to come into the mix) etc. Manny Declareman is being brought up for the next game, so it'll be interesting to see how he throws. I am all for a young guy if he is throwing better than some "crafty veteran"

**YOUR Hero** · 04-22-2006, 05:58 PM

Rios has a higher AVG than he does an OBP. You don't very often, if at all. Still early, I know, but weird to look up his stats and see something like that.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-22-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

Rios has a higher AVG than he does an OBP. You don't very often, if at all. Still early, I know, but weird to look up his stats and see something like that.

How is that possible? Like I thought that was impossible for the OBP to lower than the AVG since the average consists of someone getting a hit and being on base..no?

**ct2k** · 04-22-2006, 06:01 PM

Oscar Villareal already has like 4 wins and he's pitched about 8 innings

**The Miz** · 04-22-2006, 08:01 PM

It is only possible if you have more sac flies than walks.

04-23-2006, 12:06 PM

lol friggen rios has 1 walk and 3 sac flies. nice patience at the plate rios

**YOUR Hero** · 04-23-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by L L Cool G

lol friggen rios has 1 walk and 3 sac flies. nice patience at the plate rios

Give the .400 hitter a break.

04-23-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by YOUR Hero

Give the .400 hitter a break.

lol he's one of my fav players, but christ, show some damn patience cause he ain't Ted Williams last time I checked

**YOUR Hero** · 04-23-2006, 01:19 PM

yeah because he's had 3 sac flies it's not an official at bat in terms of AVG, but it does count in the OBP. Same thing for walks, just in the opposite of effects.

**The Miz** · 04-23-2006, 01:28 PM

The guy's lifetime OBP is terrible (.324). He does need to start showing patience if he wants to be an everyday player the rest of his career.

**YOUR Hero** · 04-23-2006, 01:51 PM

but you can't argue with his start this year.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-23-2006, 02:13 PM

I never knew that a sac fly hurt your OBP, I didn't think it would since you are purposely not getting on base.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-23-2006, 02:14 PM

I haven't really been watching todays game though. Making up a sponsorship proposal for a badminton tournament haha

**The Miz** · 04-23-2006, 02:36 PM

Sac flies often happen by accident though, that's the thing. If there's a runner on first and you lay down a bunt, 99% of the time you are attempting to give yourself up. Occasionally guys like Figgins and Furcal or whoever are trying to get a hit but most of the time it is a sacrifice. I think with most sac flies the guy isn't meaning to do it; either he is trying to hit one out and doesn't get all of it or he is trying to hit a line drive and gets under it. For example Carlos Lee led the league last year with 11 sac flies, I'd bet that most, if not all of those he was attempting to put it in the seats and missed.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-23-2006, 02:50 PM

Yeah true, I was thinking sac flies and sac bunts where the samething for some reason. So if a batter bunts, it doesn't hurt his .OBP?

**YOUR Hero** · 04-23-2006, 03:44 PM

it counts as an at bat against him in OBP, so yes it would. It's just a quirky little thing.

BoSox are up 5-3 rite now

**The Miz** · 04-23-2006, 04:09 PM

Sac bunts do not hurt your OBP. The offical MLB formula for OBP is:

H + BB + HBP / AB + BB + HBP + SF

...because of what I said earlier, sac bunts are usually intentional sacrifices and sac flies usually aren't.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-23-2006, 04:36 PM

Foulke with 3 K's today

and Papelbon with his 8th save...Drops Towers to 0-4, he's having a good start to his '06 season.

**YOUR Hero** · 04-23-2006, 05:04 PM

Towers is off to a sad start. Not good. Esp. with Aj and Halladay getting off to sluggish/injury laden starts.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-23-2006, 05:06 PM

Atleast Lily didn't pitch today, he owns the Red Sox for some reason - Probably woulda got swept

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-25-2006, 10:08 PM

bingo bangooooo bongoooooooooooo 3 run dinger by Manny, that's what you get for walking Ortiz to get to Ramirez.

Hopefully they can keep the lead this time haha

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-01-2006, 06:02 PM

Mirabelli is back

**The Miz** · 05-02-2006, 11:51 AM

How could the Yankees not do better than Josh Bard and Cla Meredith?

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-02-2006, 12:16 PM

Yesterday's game was pretty sick. Had Damon making his return and Mirabelli getting out of a state trooopers car in full uniform 7 minutes before the opening pitch. I really don't see how an early season game could any better than that.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-10-2006, 07:17 PM

UPPER DECK FOR ORTIZ

**Boondock Saint** · 05-11-2006, 10:42 PM

Yanks gonna get Pap-smeareddddddd.

**Crippla** · 05-11-2006, 10:50 PM

i live in Mass and hate the red sox they suck

**Boondock Saint** · 05-11-2006, 10:53 PM

Blasphemy.

WHERE IN MASS, BTW?

**Crippla** · 05-16-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Boondock Saint

Blasphemy.

WHERE IN MASS, BTW?

Northern Mass

**Boondock Saint** · 05-11-2006, 11:06 PM

LOWELL IS MY BOY. I need to get a Lowell shirt.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 05-11-2006, 11:28 PM

haha thank god Jeter didn't make that play. If he got that shit that would be another Jeter play that would be shoved down our throats 3258958395235932 times a year

04-22-2006, 08:01 PM	#14
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	It is only possible if you have more sac flies than walks. Last edited by The Miz; 04-22-2006 at 08:03 PM.

04-22-2006, 02:16 AM	#1
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Blue Jays and Cubs both had over .600 win pct versus the Red Sox last season, both teams are so much better than Boston!!!

04-22-2006, 12:46 PM	#2
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	lol good luck with Dinardo starting against Halladay tonight hahahahaha. Nice starting rotation you got there

04-22-2006, 01:52 PM	#4
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	I think AJ has to stop over throwing the ball. It's getting him injured.

04-22-2006, 02:57 PM	#5
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Damn Dinardi gave up 10 H and 7 ER in 3 innings. Everybody is gonna be jumping all over the Arroyo trade now, especially with Wells talking about retirement. Hopefully this opens the door for Clemens.

04-22-2006, 03:02 PM	#6
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	yeah nice line up stima. YOUR TEAM IS A FRAUD!!!

04-22-2006, 03:26 PM	#7
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Have one blow out win and fans think their team is the greatest team ever. So if the Red Sox are as bad as you say, then how come every other game has been decided by 1 or 2 runs? What does that say about the Jays?

04-22-2006, 04:07 PM	#8
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	The Red Sox have played well for 17 out of 162 games. Lets wait until at least deep into May until this kind of discussion

04-22-2006, 05:39 PM	#9
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Miz has a point. There's still guys hitting over 400, and Albert Pujols is on course for about 90 home runs right now, lets let things settle a little!

04-22-2006, 05:50 PM	#10
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I totally agree with you guys, things look pretty good thusfar but obviously shit can change. Especially with injuries and things like that. I don't read too much into wins or loses in April. I pay attention to more stuff like who has been pitching well, how the bullpen is shaping up, how the team looks in close games(Foulke blowing one, allowing Papelbon to come into the mix) etc. Manny Declareman is being brought up for the next game, so it'll be interesting to see how he throws. I am all for a young guy if he is throwing better than some "crafty veteran"

04-22-2006, 05:58 PM	#11
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Rios has a higher AVG than he does an OBP. You don't very often, if at all. Still early, I know, but weird to look up his stats and see something like that.

04-22-2006, 06:01 PM	#13
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	Oscar Villareal already has like 4 wins and he's pitched about 8 innings

04-23-2006, 12:06 PM	#15
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	lol friggen rios has 1 walk and 3 sac flies. nice patience at the plate rios

04-23-2006, 01:19 PM	#18
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	yeah because he's had 3 sac flies it's not an official at bat in terms of AVG, but it does count in the OBP. Same thing for walks, just in the opposite of effects.

04-23-2006, 01:28 PM	#19
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	The guy's lifetime OBP is terrible (.324). He does need to start showing patience if he wants to be an everyday player the rest of his career.

04-23-2006, 01:51 PM	#20
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	but you can't argue with his start this year.

04-23-2006, 02:13 PM	#21
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I never knew that a sac fly hurt your OBP, I didn't think it would since you are purposely not getting on base.

04-23-2006, 02:14 PM	#22
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I haven't really been watching todays game though. Making up a sponsorship proposal for a badminton tournament haha

04-23-2006, 02:36 PM	#23
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Sac flies often happen by accident though, that's the thing. If there's a runner on first and you lay down a bunt, 99% of the time you are attempting to give yourself up. Occasionally guys like Figgins and Furcal or whoever are trying to get a hit but most of the time it is a sacrifice. I think with most sac flies the guy isn't meaning to do it; either he is trying to hit one out and doesn't get all of it or he is trying to hit a line drive and gets under it. For example Carlos Lee led the league last year with 11 sac flies, I'd bet that most, if not all of those he was attempting to put it in the seats and missed.

04-23-2006, 02:50 PM	#24
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Yeah true, I was thinking sac flies and sac bunts where the samething for some reason. So if a batter bunts, it doesn't hurt his .OBP?

04-23-2006, 03:44 PM	#25
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	it counts as an at bat against him in OBP, so yes it would. It's just a quirky little thing. BoSox are up 5-3 rite now

04-23-2006, 04:09 PM	#26
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Sac bunts do not hurt your OBP. The offical MLB formula for OBP is: H + BB + HBP / AB + BB + HBP + SF ...because of what I said earlier, sac bunts are usually intentional sacrifices and sac flies usually aren't.

04-23-2006, 04:36 PM	#27
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Foulke with 3 K's today and Papelbon with his 8th save...Drops Towers to 0-4, he's having a good start to his '06 season.

04-23-2006, 05:04 PM	#28
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Towers is off to a sad start. Not good. Esp. with Aj and Halladay getting off to sluggish/injury laden starts.

04-23-2006, 05:06 PM	#29
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Atleast Lily didn't pitch today, he owns the Red Sox for some reason - Probably woulda got swept

04-25-2006, 10:08 PM	#30
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	bingo bangooooo bongoooooooooooo 3 run dinger by Manny, that's what you get for walking Ortiz to get to Ramirez. Hopefully they can keep the lead this time haha

05-01-2006, 06:02 PM	#31
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Mirabelli is back

05-02-2006, 11:51 AM	#32
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	How could the Yankees not do better than Josh Bard and Cla Meredith?

05-02-2006, 12:16 PM	#33
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Yesterday's game was pretty sick. Had Damon making his return and Mirabelli getting out of a state trooopers car in full uniform 7 minutes before the opening pitch. I really don't see how an early season game could any better than that.

05-10-2006, 07:17 PM	#34
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	UPPER DECK FOR ORTIZ

05-11-2006, 10:42 PM	#35
Boondock Saint Posts: 8,795	Yanks gonna get Pap-smeareddddddd.