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Old 10-24-2006, 02:23 AM   #1
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The fact that McNabb has that many good recievers is a testiment to how good he is playing, considering who they are. Hank Baskett was an undrafted free agent, for example. Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison are Pro Bowl recievers.
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The fact that McNabb has that many good recievers is a testiment to how good he is playing, considering who they are. Hank Baskett was an undrafted free agent, for example. Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison are Pro Bowl recievers.
Flip it around here for a second:

Fast forward 5 years, and keep McNabb together with his current line and receivers. What would you say? Wayne was drafted by the Colts I believe, and Harrison didn't start doing well until Peyton came along. You can't compare the two, because all of McNabb's receivers are all rookies or 2nd year players. Who's to say Baskett isn't the next Wayne? Or that Brown/Lewis aren't the next Harrison?
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Flip it around here for a second:

Fast forward 5 years, and keep McNabb together with his current line and receivers. What would you say? Wayne was drafted by the Colts I believe, and Harrison didn't start doing well until Peyton came along. You can't compare the two, because all of McNabb's receivers are all rookies or 2nd year players. Who's to say Baskett isn't the next Wayne? Or that Brown/Lewis aren't the next Harrison?

We're not talking about 5 years later and MVP awards arent awarded on " what if's ". Phillies WR's have been great this year no doubt. Realistically, saying anyone might be the next Marvin Harrison is a major stretch. Reggie Wayne, maybe, tho i think he's on his way to HoF numbers, but saying any young reciever might become the next Harrison or Rice. That holds no water. There might not be another Harrison or Rice.
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We're not talking about 5 years later and MVP awards arent awarded on " what if's ". Phillies WR's have been great this year no doubt. Realistically, saying anyone might be the next Marvin Harrison is a major stretch. Reggie Wayne, maybe, tho i think he's on his way to HoF numbers, but saying any young reciever might become the next Harrison or Rice. That holds no water. There might not be another Harrison or Rice.
So what the fuck are you trying to even say? That Harrison and Wayne make Manning?

They're arguing that McNabb is doing better than Manning because he has worse receivers. I tried to defend your claim that Manning is MVP by saying... how can anyone know who makes whom? Did Manning make his receivers, or did they make him? He's had Harrison and Wayne for years, McNabb always has new receivers. It's impossible to tell what each QB would do in the other's shoes. You can't. And any receiver CAN be the next Harrison or Rice (I said Wayne). Players get better every year, if you honestly think there will NEVER be another, you are an idiot.

Basically, if you're going to fight me on this, you're arguing that McNabb is MVP.

Way to go.

So intent on fighting everybody that you don't even know what you're fighting about anymore.
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So what the fuck are you trying to even say? That Harrison and Wayne make Manning?

They're arguing that McNabb is doing better than Manning because he has worse receivers. I tried to defend your claim that Manning is MVP by saying... how can anyone know who makes whom? Did Manning make his receivers, or did they make him? He's had Harrison and Wayne for years, McNabb always has new receivers. It's impossible to tell what each QB would do in the other's shoes. You can't. And any receiver CAN be the next Harrison or Rice (I said Wayne). Players get better every year, if you honestly think there will NEVER be another, you are an idiot.

Basically, if you're going to fight me on this, you're arguing that McNabb is MVP.

Way to go.

So intent on fighting everybody that you don't even know what you're fighting about anymore.
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Flip it around here for a second:

Fast forward 5 years, and keep McNabb together with his current line and receivers. What would you say? Wayne was drafted by the Colts I believe, and Harrison didn't start doing well until Peyton came along. You can't compare the two, because all of McNabb's receivers are all rookies or 2nd year players. Who's to say Baskett isn't the next Wayne? Or that Brown/Lewis aren't the next Harrison?
I said..

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We're not talking about 5 years later and MVP awards arent awarded on " what if's ". Phillies WR's have been great this year no doubt. Realistically, saying anyone might be the next Marvin Harrison is a major stretch. Reggie Wayne, maybe, tho i think he's on his way to HoF numbers, but saying any young reciever might become the next Harrison or Rice. That holds no water. There might not be another Harrison or Rice.
Yah clearly i'm shitting an enormous amount of shit on you there.
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Saying something I'm saying is "a stretch" and "holds no water," certainly isn't what I was expecting when I was TAKING YOUR SIDE.

But fuck that. Forget it. Just drop it. This argument is over.

You get what you want, dude. Everyone to team up on you. And that's what happens when the only time anyone takes your side, you argue against them.

I won't make that stupid mistake again... I should just assume that you're ALWAYS WRONG, so when people argue against you, I'll take their side, because eventually you will, too, whether you mean to or not.
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Not quite, but one of the best?? Maybe.
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I saw Mike Doss is out for the season..

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Going back to the MVP topic I really don't know who I'd choose. I wouldn't have any problem with McNabb or Manning, although both have their faults. It's probbably Manning right now tho, he's led a a pretty awful (so far anyway) defense to a 6-0 start so I think that'd cancel out his bad performances againest some of the weaker teams in the NFL (Tennesse games comes to mind, pretty sure there was another just can't remember which...only reason I know that is cuz hes killing me on my fantasy team haha)
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My point is, Manning and Harrison didnt make eachother. They complimented eachother. They're both HoF players. Why is it assumed that one makes the other.
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So Manning has a Hall of Fame wideout and McNabb doesn't? Wouldn't that be a postive for McNabb in terms of the MVP race?
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So Manning has a Hall of Fame wideout and McNabb doesn't? Wouldn't that be a postive for McNabb in terms of the MVP race?
That wasnt my argument, I thought Bean was saying that McNabbs recievers might be as good as Harrison or Wayne some day. I simply said, that i didnt think they'd be as good as Harrison, or Wayne.

I wasnt really talking interms of comparing McNabb and Manning. I think my posts are being read out of contex.
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That wasnt my argument, I thought Bean was saying that McNabbs recievers might be as good as Harrison or Wayne some day. I simply said, that i didnt think they'd be as good as Harrison, or Wayne.

I wasnt really talking interms of comparing McNabb and Manning. I think my posts are being read out of contex.
Word, I wasn't really following along with your argument with AlphaBean
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So basically, Peyton Manning is the MVP because his proven wide recievers aren't playing well and Donovan McNabb is overrated because his rookie wide recievers are far exceeding expectations.
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Why do you quickly pounce on people and try to make them look like asses, when you dont completely understand what they're saying? Its really ignorant. But you've always done it, so o well .
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Why do you quickly pounce on people and try to make them look like asses, when you dont completely understand what they're saying? Its really ignorant. But you've always done it, so o well .
Uh, fucking look in the mirror, pal. You pounced on me, like a plucky kid who has his hat over his eyes, swinging every which way. I was trying to take your side and you shat on me, and want to ask me why I pounce? Fucking right.

There's only one "contex" of my post, and that's Manning vs McNabb, in response to the people who said that McNabb's receivers are horrible.

Also, don't you daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare play the victim, not here, not ever. You have as much right as I have to play the victim. You know you deserve everything you get, and then some. You will never, ever get "sympathy" from me, especially considering I tried being cool with you... but instead, you "pounced" on everything I've ever said. Including, but not limited to what I said about Brees not two days ago.

Fuck. Sometimes you're absolutely terrible, you know that?
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LOL do you blame me for never reading your posts? Now it's either you being high and queer, or all moody like "why are you guys picking on me?" and queer, or "I want to shove my tongue in someone's ass" queer. Otherwise it's your typical "I HATE YOU AND HOPE U R DIE."

But no, I read your shit. Maybe a little less weed will lead to less "misinterpretations."

At what point, do you begin to think that if everyone misunderstands you... maybe it's not their fault?
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Old 10-25-2006, 02:52 AM   #26
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We're not talking about 5 years later and MVP awards arent awarded on " what if's ". Phillies WR's have been great this year no doubt. Realistically, saying anyone might be the next Marvin Harrison is a major stretch. Reggie Wayne, maybe, tho i think he's on his way to HoF numbers, but saying any young reciever might become the next Harrison or Rice. That holds no water. There might not be another Harrison or Rice.


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So what the fuck are you trying to even say? That Harrison and Wayne make Manning?
Yah, thats exactly what i said, because thats exactly what you read in my post. Me saying that. Right? Fuck off please.



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My point is, Manning and Harrison didnt make eachother. They complimented eachother. They're both HoF players. Why is it assumed that one makes the other.

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So Manning has a Hall of Fame wideout and McNabb doesn't? Wouldn't that be a postive for McNabb in terms of the MVP race?
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So basically, Peyton Manning is the MVP because his proven wide recievers aren't playing well and Donovan McNabb is overrated because his rookie wide recievers are far exceeding expectations.
I never said this either. Never even close. I'm starting to wonder if any of you either bother reading what i say. I know Alphabean doesnt.



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Haha Stima gets it. RP argued until his point is dead. Wow. That's a Homer Simpson moment right there.

"10 dollars? ID DO IT FOR FREE!"

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"FREE? I'D PAY TO DO IT!"

"Okay."

You have no clue at this point. You're just trying to make yourself look good. I havent even argued much at all.
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:09 AM   #27
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I'll admit, i didnt read BCWWF's comments on the previous page at the end, I understand what you're saying now. Manning shouldnt be punished for having great recievers. At the same time, Mcnabb should be commended for having average recievers and still putting up big numbers. I get it now. I was never shitting on you in the first place. Its done now . K?
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Old 10-25-2006, 08:43 AM   #28
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SI.com Player Poll, who is the best receiver in the league

Terrell Owens, Cowboys.....28%
Steve Smith, Panthers.....23%
Marvin Harrison, Colts.....20%
Chad Johnson, Bengals.....13%
Randy Moss, Raiders.....8%
Torry Holt, Rams.....3%
Santana Moss, Redskins.....1%
Hines Ward, Steelers.....1%
Mushin Muhammad, Bears.....1%
Anquan Boldin, Cardinals.....1%

There's no fucking way Torry Holt only deserves 3%. God, he is so slept on it's not even funny.
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Old 10-27-2006, 02:08 PM   #29
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SI.com Player Poll, who is the best receiver in the league

Terrell Owens, Cowboys.....28%
Steve Smith, Panthers.....23%
Marvin Harrison, Colts.....20%
Chad Johnson, Bengals.....13%
Randy Moss, Raiders.....8%
Torry Holt, Rams.....3%
Santana Moss, Redskins.....1%
Hines Ward, Steelers.....1%
Mushin Muhammad, Bears.....1%
Anquan Boldin, Cardinals.....1%

There's no fucking way Torry Holt only deserves 3%. God, he is so slept on it's not even funny.

This poll poses an interesting question and one that can be expanded on greatly: who is the best player at his position in the NFL? If I made a list I believe it'd look something like this...

QB: Peyton Manning
RB: LaDainian Tomlinson
FB: Justin Griffith/Mack Strong can't decide
TE: Antonio Gates
WR: Torry Holt
OC: Olin Kreutz
OG: Steve Hutchinson
OT: Orlando Pace

DE: Julius Peppers
DT: Tommie Harris
OLB: Lance Briggs
ILB: Brian Urlacher (although it SHOULD be Zach Thomas)
CB: Champ Bailey
FS: Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polamalu

K: Shayne Graham
P: Brad Maynard
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Briggs is the only guy on that list I'd take serious issue with... Chicago OLBs are all overrated, which is why Colvin and Holdman got big contracts after playing in Chicago...

I'd also question the Tommy Harris thing, cause I don't even view him as a tackle, he's very end-like. I think a good way to fix that is to list UT and NT, because you can't run for shit on Pat Williams or Vince Wilfork or Jamal Williams... but you can't pass for shit on Tommie Harris, or Richard Seymore or Kevin Williams... U NO WAT I MEEN?

I demand you include more people on your list.
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Old 10-27-2006, 03:10 PM   #31
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And Kreutz is trash. Pat Williams ate Olin Kreuts' children.
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:58 PM   #32
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And Kreutz is trash. Pat Williams ate Olin Kreuts' children.

You have zero fucking idea what you are talking about.
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Old 10-25-2006, 09:07 AM   #33
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I'd say Torry Holt hands down.

If its all time, from that list, i'd go Harrison, Moss, Holt then Owens
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Old 10-25-2006, 11:20 AM   #34
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I don't know if I ever mentioned this but I won two tickets to the Pats/Colts game in Foxboro for that day. Gonna be fucking sweet.
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Old 10-26-2006, 02:57 AM   #36
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Bledsoe Is the reason Cowboys lost not TO
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Old 10-26-2006, 10:00 AM   #39
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No..

It's their terrible O-Line..

p.s. I fucking love Chad Johnson.. I mean, "Ocho Cinco"..
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No..

It's their terrible O-Line..

p.s. I fucking love Chad Johnson.. I mean, "Ocho Cinco"..
Throwing the ball to three NYG linemen doesn't help.
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