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Old 12-12-2006, 02:11 AM   #1
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:33 AM   #2
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Doesn't include the two TDs from tonight.
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So would Hester win defensive or offensive rookie of the year? I'm not sure how that works.
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So would Hester win defensive or offensive rookie of the year? I'm not sure how that works.
Offensive.
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I don't really know, maybe defensive since he is a defensive back
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I don't really know, maybe defensive since he is a defensive back
Offensive.
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Why is he considered for offensive? He hasn't touched the ball on offense yet, or even taken a play on offense. He is a defensive player

If he ONLY returned kicks and punts then maybe, but I've seen him playing a lot more defensive back lately, which makes him a defensive player, which inturn makes him a canidate for Defensive Rookie of the Year.
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Why is he considered for offensive? He hasn't touched the ball on offense yet, or even taken a play on offense. He is a defensive player

If he ONLY returned kicks and punts then maybe, but I've seen him playing a lot more defensive back lately, which makes him a defensive player, which inturn makes him a canidate for Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Actually, i think theirs a special teams player of the year too, but i've said it already in the NFL MVP thread. I think if Hester returns one more kick or punt or anything, he's MVP.

I'd also give consideration for ROTY to Maurice Drew, but considering he plays the Colts twice a year is equivlant to Florida scheduling Western Michigan ( or someone ) in the 10th game of the season. So no.
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LOL at Hester possibly getting nothing but a pro bowl invite for his record-breaking season. Fuck, watching that video, he has crazy vision. He should line up at HB sometimes.
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What do you mean nothing but a pro bowl invite? What else should he get? He is a kick returner (and only a punt returner until two weeks ago) who has broken a few big ones. I don't think he is more deserving than others for rookie of the year or any shit like that.
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What do you mean nothing but a pro bowl invite? What else should he get? He is a kick returner (and only a punt returner until two weeks ago) who has broken a few big ones. I don't think he is more deserving than others for rookie of the year or any shit like that.
A few?

Hmmm... I think you need to return to the rock you live under.

Let's put it this way... only 6 people in the entire history of the NFL have ever returned 2 kickoffs for TDs. Only. Six. In. History. That is A LOT of NFL games. And now a rookie is one of them.

Oh yeah... and the record he broke last night has ben sitting still since 1971. 35 years.

This is also just some "punt returner" that was the main headline on ESPN.com, NFL.com, SI.com, NBCsports.com, and various other sports websites.

If it's not the Jets... just stay quiet.
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I think he has averaged like 14.5 yards per punt return, I guess a few of his longer returns skew that average but still...pretty ridiculous.

I dunno about MVP or any of that shit, I could see him getting Defensive Rookie of the Year though.

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Also Joey Sluggs, I'd like to add to your last line...if anyone says anything negative about Bears... just flip out about it.

Has nothing to do with him being on the Bears. I'm not about to start talking about Hester for MVP like RP is, but I find it funny that someone like AAA can pretty much say that just because this guy is a punt returner... he doesn't deserve award talk.
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I am not saying he is terrible. Obviously he is a ridiculously good kick returner but a lot of kick returning is luck too. If you happen to get some good blocks here and there or if the coverage team blows its assignments, you can break a big return and it's not just because of your pure amazing kick returning talent.

HE IS A KICK RETURNER. He is not an every down guy.

Vince Young and Reggie Bush are both more deserving than him, not to mention a few others too. Maybe defensive ROY but he doesn't even really play defense so I don't think he should even get that.
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I am not saying he is terrible. Obviously he is a ridiculously good kick returner but a lot of kick returning is luck too. If you happen to get some good blocks here and there or if the coverage team blows its assignments, you can break a big return and it's not just because of your pure amazing kick returning talent.

HE IS A KICK RETURNER. He is not an every down guy.

Vince Young and Reggie Bush are both more deserving than him, not to mention a few others too. Maybe defensive ROY but he doesn't even really play defense so I don't think he should even get that.
Well he just started playing defense recently, but I think he'd be pretty deserving of the defensive award just because of his work in the kick/punt return game.

I'd say its gonna come down to him or DeMaco Ryans...or maybe AJ Hawk but I really haven't heard TOO much about Hawk, but I do know he plays like every down so maybe.
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Well he just started playing defense recently, but I think he'd be pretty deserving of the defensive award just because of his work in the kick/punt return game.

I'd say its gonna come down to him or DeMaco Ryans...or maybe AJ Hawk but I really haven't heard TOO much about Hawk, but I do know he plays like every down so maybe.
Be pretty funny if the guy the Texans drafted in the 2nd round got DROY while the guy they drafted in the 1st gets no mention

As far as OROY Young is really coming up fast. For me it's about the impact a player makes on the team, Colston has done really well but the Saints have shown they can still play well without him and put up points - right now Young as a starter has a winning record, with the freaking TITANS. That deserves some serious praise.
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I am not saying he is terrible. Obviously he is a ridiculously good kick returner but a lot of kick returning is luck too. If you happen to get some good blocks here and there or if the coverage team blows its assignments, you can break a big return and it's not just because of your pure amazing kick returning talent.

HE IS A KICK RETURNER. He is not an every down guy.

Vince Young and Reggie Bush are both more deserving than him, not to mention a few others too. Maybe defensive ROY but he doesn't even really play defense so I don't think he should even get that.
I don't see Young and Bush breaking 35 year old records right now. So don't start saying that there are more guys more deserving than Hester right now.

Hester's TD returns and overall return yardage has a lot to do with how many points the team can put on the board since they are able to play on a shorter field thanks to him.

Oh yeah.... and he has already (pretty much) single handedly won a game this year.
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Vince Young has single handly won a few games this year too though, but I don't see why Bush, Young and Hester can't all be canidates. They all are, it's not like one guy is head and shoulders above the rest (Well Hester is gonna be a canidate for a defensive, while Bush and Young will be offensive but you get the point)
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One of his returns was a ridiculous FG return for a TD when basically the entire Giants team just fell asleep so he would not have broken the record if it wasn't for that. And I think it's safe to assume that at least a couple of his returns were more luck/blown coverage/good blocking than him making it happen completely on his own. AGAIN I am acknowledging that he IS really good obviously but I am not going to start sucking his dick saying he is the most amazing rookie I have ever seen like everyone else is doing. If he returns a couple more by the rest of the season/playoffs though, I will start calling him Superman and admit I am wrong but not yet.
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To be honest I was going to say that although I think Hester is good but I don't think he is anything terribly special but figured it wasn't worth the idiotic backlash that would be given.

Of that one video that was posted in this thread with Hester's returns, only one really impressed me, the one I think against the Vikings where he was dead to rights but escaped like 4 defenders. I'm with Trips on the whole Giants one, they played poor football on that play and even then no one on a field goal team is going to catch the guy, they are all lineman and LB's.

Hester is good but isn't that "wow" type impressive to me.
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To be honest I was going to say that although I think Hester is good but I don't think he is anything terribly special but figured it wasn't worth the idiotic backlash that would be given.

Of that one video that was posted in this thread with Hester's returns, only one really impressed me, the one I think against the Vikings where he was dead to rights but escaped like 4 defenders. I'm with Trips on the whole Giants one, they played poor football on that play and even then no one on a field goal team is going to catch the guy, they are all lineman and LB's.

Hester is good but isn't that "wow" type impressive to me.
Not going to start with the backlash, but I do want to point something out. Even though the return against the Giants might not of been the most impressive (it is an NFL record though) it had nothing to do with the Giants playing bad football. If you watch the highlight... you will see that the Bears just simply had every Giants on their ass. There were some hard hitting blocks down field that opened up such a huge hole.

I'm sorry that he doesn't "wow" you like he does us here in Chicago... but stima is right... if it was so easy... why is the record only 6 right now?
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Not going to start with the backlash, but I do want to point something out. Even though the return against the Giants might not of been the most impressive (it is an NFL record though) it had nothing to do with the Giants playing bad football. If you watch the highlight... you will see that the Bears just simply had every Giants on their ass. There were some hard hitting blocks down field that opened up such a huge hole.

I'm sorry that he doesn't "wow" you like he does us here in Chicago... but stima is right... if it was so easy... why is the record only 6 right now?
So you are saying it wasn't him by himself, but good blocking by the entire KR team that helped him tie the record??

Kinda proves the point..
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So you are saying it wasn't him by himself, but good blocking by the entire KR team that helped him tie the record??

Kinda proves the point..
Proves what point? It's one thing to get the blocks... and it's another to have the spead and vison (like AB just mentioned) to blow past guys.

This is my point:

Hester is fucking sick. And deserves to be talked about like we are doing right now.

There it is.
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Not going to start with the backlash, but I do want to point something out. Even though the return against the Giants might not of been the most impressive (it is an NFL record though) it had nothing to do with the Giants playing bad football. If you watch the highlight... you will see that the Bears just simply had every Giants on their ass. There were some hard hitting blocks down field that opened up such a huge hole.

I'm sorry that he doesn't "wow" you like he does us here in Chicago... but stima is right... if it was so easy... why is the record only 6 right now?
Like I said the guy is good, I'm not disputing if he is deserving of any awards but I guess I don't get that "wow" from him. I remember the play against Duke in college which was sick. The cat has skills, I'm not denying that.

And on the Giants play, yeah it was bad football, half the Giants were walking off the damn field until they realized what was happening. The Bears did demolish the only guys that got in the way though.

I don't mind seeing the Bears win and Hester is undoubtedly a big part of that. I don't know if Grossman is going to be able to play well down the stretch though.
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I dunno, if it is so easy to return this kicks I don't get why it doesn't happen more often. Pretty hard to get "lucky" that many times. I can see you not thinking what he has done is worthy of Rookie of the Year, but saying he has no "wow" factor is pretty dumb.
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I dunno, if it is so easy to return this kicks I don't get why it doesn't happen more often. Pretty hard to get "lucky" that many times. I can see you not thinking what he has done is worthy of Rookie of the Year, but saying he has no "wow" factor is pretty dumb.
Like I said to AAA... Hester is only the 6th guy in NFL history to return 2 kickoffs for TDs (that is A LOT of games). And no one has returned 6 in a season until now.

If that doesn't "wow" you... football isn't your game.
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Like I said to AAA... Hester is only the 6th guy in NFL history to return 2 kickoffs for TDs (that is A LOT of games). And no one has returned 6 in a season until now.

If that doesn't "wow" you... football isn't your game.
Records are broken on a weekly basis..
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Oh are they now?
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Oh are they now?
Almost..

Some record is tied/broken atleast 6 weeks a year..

Baronas' two FG's
LT's TD's
Bush Rookie Recieving Yards
Saints Score 42 in Dallas

etc etc etc

This happens every year..
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But the fact remains, there's no way he should be considered for offensive, defensive ROY or MVP. He just shouldn't. Mainly because he only plays special teams. And to say he plays defense is like saying Brad Johnson plays Quarterback. Sure, he's there on the field, but if you had someone better you'd probably put him in.

I'm not knocking the guy, I'm knocking the system that has no love for special teamers outside of the Pro Bowl. Maybe it's time they came out with, to a lesser extent, Special Teams rookie of the year.

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