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Old 12-13-2006, 02:43 PM   #1
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Yeah seriously, the guy is awesome and you can't doubt that.

But the fact remains, there's no way he should be considered for offensive, defensive ROY or MVP. He just shouldn't. Mainly because he only plays special teams. And to say he plays defense is like saying Brad Johnson plays Quarterback. Sure, he's there on the field, but if you had someone better you'd probably put him in.

I'm not knocking the guy, I'm knocking the system that has no love for special teamers outside of the Pro Bowl. Maybe it's time they came out with, to a lesser extent, Special Teams rookie of the year.

And yeah, MVP would be fucking hilarious when you're on the same planet as Ladanian Tomlinson...
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First off, that Miami runback was fucking absurd. Not luck, not blocking, just a guy who should gain 15 pounds and play HB.


On the other hand, it was against Duke. Didn't Duke have the longest losing streak in history recently? Dunno... It's not too hard to run through the arm tackles of a bunch of white lacrosse playing rapists.

Second off, back to that "luck and blocking" thing. No no no. People get blocks all the time. And returners usually make the mistake of thinking "I gotta get past this guy," rather than thinking "I Gotta get past the next 5 guys and score a TD."

If you pay close attention to Hester's runbacks, he's not just running scattershot all over the field (except against Duke, which means he CAN he just doesn't usually). He has ridiculous vision for where the running lane will open up, and once he sets his shoulders, he's unstoppable. That's why I think he should be a HB. Run him out of the shotgun so he can view the field, he'll be unstoppable. Even on a WR screen play now and then... or a reverse. Wickeddddddd.
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This is when Hester was known as "Anytime" down in Miami:



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Didn't Reggie Bush break a rookie TD record when he scored 4 on one game??

Let me go find some videos of him in college..
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Didn't Reggie Bush break a rookie TD record when he scored 4 on one game??

Let me go find some videos of him in college..
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Yeah but he's no MVP..

Just because he's a great returner doesn't mean he's MVP material..

Two years ago it was Dante Hall.. Year before that It was Michael Lewis..

He is nothing new..
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Yeah but he's no MVP..

Just because he's a great returner doesn't mean he's MVP material..

Two years ago it was Dante Hall.. Year before that It was Michael Lewis..

He is nothing new..
And neither of them broke the record. Hmmm....

He might not be anywhere near MVP "material" but he has done just as much for this team as any another top guy in the league. He scores touchdowns and puts his team in a better position to win.

Last time I checked... that's what the MVP award was all about.

So stop downplaying what this kid is doing.
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And neither of them broke the record. Hmmm....

He might not be anywhere near MVP "material" but he has done just as much for this team as any another top guy in the league. He scores touchdowns and puts his team in a better position to win.

Last time I checked... that's what the MVP award was all about.

So stop downplaying what this kid is doing.
I believe Joe Nathan of the Twins got a vote or two for MVP in baseball... He's a closer. That's pretty much what Hester is. So he should get 1-2 votes, compared to Tomlinson's 300 votes, so you're right, he should be in consideration. Just not SERIOUS consideration. Do you agree there?

I mean, when you play for the Bears, you're going to see a lot more punts than any other guy in the league.
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I believe Joe Nathan of the Twins got a vote or two for MVP in baseball... He's a closer. That's pretty much what Hester is. So he should get 1-2 votes, compared to Tomlinson's 300 votes, so you're right, he should be in consideration. Just not SERIOUS consideration. Do you agree there?

I mean, when you play for the Bears, you're going to see a lot more punts than any other guy in the league.

I agree 100%. RP was the one who brought up Hester for MVP, but I think it's a great idea and should be fun to see him get a few votes here and there.
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Yeah but he's no MVP..

Just because he's a great returner doesn't mean he's MVP material..

Two years ago it was Dante Hall.. Year before that It was Michael Lewis..

He is nothing new..
He said "talked about like we are right now."

Because that's all he gets. A trip to Honolulu, maybe half a dozen "special team player of the week" awards, and lots of smoke blown up his ass.

The guy can't even get drafted on fantasy leagues. LOL. That's like being the best assistant coach in the NFL right there. You just have to deal with it, and be glad you're giving your team points/wins...
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What's that smell??

Kinda metallic..

Like iron..
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What's that smell??

Kinda metallic..

Like iron..
Nice way to drop everything else I said.

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Anyways... Hester's return record is somewhere near 1000000000000000X more important than the Saints' putting up 42 on Dallas.

What's that noise?

Over there.....

Sounds like the Simpsons....

Homer?
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Old 12-13-2006, 06:47 PM   #13
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What's that noise?

Over there.....

Sounds like the Simpsons....

Homer?
LOL Says the guy who is arguing a kick returner should be the MVP..

You know for a fact that if Hester played for someone eles, you would not be on his jock like you are..

Oh and I was not saying "The Bears" would be crying about anything.. I am saying you are crying because everyone is not on Devin Hester's cock..
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LOL Says the guy who is arguing a kick returner should be the MVP..

You know for a fact that if Hester played for someone eles, you would not be on his jock like you are..

Oh and I was not saying "The Bears" would be crying about anything.. I am saying you are crying because everyone is not on Devin Hester's cock..
Pay attention jackass.

RP started the "Hester for MVP" talk, not me.

I'm arguing the fact that you bring up the 42 points in Dallas like it's some HUGE record, yet you downplay the 6 TD returns.

And if he didn't play for the Bears, I would be just as amazed of what he has done this year... because I am a football fan. I know you'll come back with something witty like "No you wouldn't" but that's fine with me.

And I have already said that Hester is getting plenty of love from the football world, I just find it funny that the "superfans" here are acting like it is nothing... mainly because he doesn't play for their team.
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The Vikings ran back a punt, kick off, and a int last year, for the first time in NFL history, and I don't hear Beans crying because no one cares..
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That's because *I* know that was fucking sick.

Also, because Michael Bennett also ran the ball 16 times for 11 yards and Brad Johnson is trash, and the Vikings are a horrible, horrible team.

So I have no right to talk.

BUT LOL@ last year's Giants.

But... yea you gotta give it to Sean Payton for knowing how to play against the team he used to coach. Like Gruden vs the Raiders.

Anyway, yeah, the record is an old record and people are being groomed to be full-time returners, yet nobody -- Hall, Lewis, Darrell Green, Brian Mitchell, that Lions guy from back in the day, none of them ever broke the record.

Also, look at individual records.
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The Vikings ran back a punt, kick off, and a int last year, for the first time in NFL history, and I don't hear Beans crying because no one cares..
Why would the Bears be crying about that? That was quite impressive.
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He was comparing me to you, because you think Hester deserves more credit.

I think the fact that he's on everybody's "PLAY OF THE YEAR" list should be credit enough.
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I don't see why breaking a record matters. If he had one less TD return I would still think the same of Hester. Like when Manning broke the TD record, it was pretty cool and all but if he had like 3 less TDs my opinion of him wouldn't have changed.

Like I said, everyone was on Hall's dick before but nobody mentioned him for an MVP - at the sametime though Hester is a lot better of a returner then Hall was. Hester is probably going to go down as one of the best returners ever, as long as he doesn't get hurt or something. I'm not just basing this off this year either, check out some of his tapes from The U. Personally I don't think Hester should be considered for the NFL MVP, I mean yeah what he is doing is important but a lot of guys are doing things just as important. Plus, I don't really like the whole MVP thing anyway since it is real subjective about what is suppose to be about, what you have to do to get it etc. Like some people think it should go to the best player, others think it should go the player who helps his team the most, but in the end, it pretty much just goes to the offensive player with the most impressive stats.

I am all for Hester being a canidate for Defenisve Rookie of the Year though
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See, I remember in Hall's crazy ass season he got some MVP consideration... again, not serious, because how serious can that be? But the "X-Factor" definitely made some noise.

As I said, even Joe Nathan got a vote or two in the MLB MVP voting... just to be mentioned in the same breath as the big boys should be enough of an award for Hester.
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I think Hester is getting plenty of love through out the football world. I just think it's funny that some of the "superfans" here don't see the "wow" factor.
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I think it's because nobody likes you. I'm willing to overlook my personal feelings, because I know you're just a typical Bears fan and can't help how you are.

Objectively, you can't deny that 6 TDs is fucking insane.
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I think it's because nobody likes you. I'm willing to overlook my personal feelings, because I know you're just a typical Bears fan and can't help how you are.

Objectively, you can't deny that 6 TDs is fucking insane.
Eh. Not being liked on a message board does rate as something to stress about in life.
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I feel you there, sTiMa doesn't like me and it really breaks my heart, but whatever, I don't act this way IRL so whatever.

And I think the correlation between Chicago wins and Hester runbacks might be overrated when you've only lost 2 games... It's kind of the law of averages... Lots of runbacks, lots of wins. :dunno:

And if you guys make the Superbowl, and face the Chargers, he will never get a chance to return punts... he'll only have several chances at returning the Kickoff after a LT TD for his big run-back.
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What would you think if Hester ran another one back this week? See, those types of plays ( the type he does ) are backbreaking momentum changing plays. Some of those run backs have come at the perfect time to swing games in favor of Chicago. I'm pretty sure Chicago has won every game he's returned one in. Even that Vikings return was huge, that game was horrible and neither QB could make a first down. I think it was either zip/zip or zip/6 or something, but once he returned that punt, it was over for the Vikings.

I know its a stretch, but lets see how everyone feels if he runs back another.
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What would you think if Hester ran another one back this week? See, those types of plays ( the type he does ) are backbreaking momentum changing plays. Some of those run backs have come at the perfect time to swing games in favor of Chicago. I'm pretty sure Chicago has won every game he's returned one in. Even that Vikings return was huge, that game was horrible and neither QB could make a first down. I think it was either zip/zip or zip/6 or something, but once he returned that punt, it was over for the Vikings.

I know its a stretch, but lets see how everyone feels if he runs back another.

Could you imagine if he has one of his "backbreaking" returns in the Super Bowl? Just imagine a situtation like the one against Arizona (just with a better game). Bears down late in the game, the D makes a big stop to force the punt... Hester runs 70 + yards for the game winning TD.
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And you are right RP, the Bears have won each game that Hester has had a return in.

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I don't even know why this is an argument when Ted Ginn is just gonna break the record in a year or two anyway.

Also Jesus Christ I can't believe I've never seen that punt return against Duke before. That was impressive even if it was against a JV high school team.
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I don't even know why this is an argument when Ted Ginn is just gonna break the record in a year or two anyway.

Also Jesus Christ I can't believe I've never seen that punt return against Duke before. That was impressive even if it was against a JV high school team.
He had more then just one run back meng, plus he is a better returner then Ginn so I dunno about Ginn breaking his record.
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I don't even know why this is an argument when Ted Ginn is just gonna break the record in a year or two anyway.

The record stood for 35 years and now you expect some dude to just come out and break it right away? Yeah... Ok.
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The record stood for 35 years and now you expect some dude to just come out and break it right away? Yeah... Ok.
lol come on man even I was "semi-defending" you but lets get serious. You are acting like the record stood for 135 years. Plenty of records get broken back to back (Pretty sure LT just broke Alexander's one year old TD record...no?)

Also when I was in a HS, a kid on my team broke the career scoring record my senior year (which stood for 53 years) then the next year some other kid broke it so it can happen. Granted it was high school, its still football.
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I like Ginn alot, but i think once he gets in the pro's, it'll take one major hit on special teams for him to tighten up like a dolphins asshole.
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Thing is, no one is acting like it's nothing.. You are making a huge deal about it.. As we've been saying, there have been several impressive kick returners in the past few years.. As a "superfan" I know that.. You are questioning everyone eles' knowledge and how big of fans we are, just because no one is wanking to highlight reels of him.. He's good, just not seman worthy..
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Thing is, no one is acting like it's nothing.. You are making a huge deal about it.. As we've been saying, there have been several impressive kick returners in the past few years.. As a "superfan" I know that.. You are questioning everyone eles' knowledge and how big of fans we are, just because no one is wanking to highlight reels of him.. He's good, just not seman worthy..
I disagree and I think you are down playing what Hester has done. I don't know why some of you are trying to down play it or care all that much. The guy is an amazing kick returner and it's as simple as that. Should he be considered for any awards? Sure. Should he win any awards? Maybe. I just don't understand why some of you are trying to down play this. Yeah records are broken all the time but this is a 35 year old record. It's not something that should be pushed aside. Look at the highlights, this guy is ridiculous.
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I remember quite a few plays in which Dante Hall ran the complete opposite direction, and the Chiefs blockers got away with several illegal blocks. Hester's runs are almost always clean.

And Hall hasn't done it in years. What happened to him?
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I remember quite a few plays in which Dante Hall ran the complete opposite direction, and the Chiefs blockers got away with several illegal blocks. Hester's runs are almost always clean.

And Hall hasn't done it in years. What happened to him?
Dante Hall's returns where pieces of shit. He got away with so much shit since he was the "human joystick" and everyone sucked his cock and wanted to see a return.
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