Chris Benoit found dead (From WWE.com)

[weather vane]

Vinny Mac will be on the Today show tomorrow morning.

[darkpower]

About some new info:

[Londoner]

^ Wow thats interesting.

[Arnold HamNegger]

You know, no matter how much TV coverage and internet articles/conversations I read...this still isn't sinking in. It's like my eyes are watching all this, but my brain is in a state of disbelief that this could possibly be real. The only other time in my life that I can say this type of feeling has come over me was on 9/11.

It's just beyond bizarre that in a world full of tragic deaths, purposely ridiculous storylines, continuity fuck ups, jackassicly stupid booking scenerios, etc.......Benoit's life has the most unbelievable ending of them all.


Noone would ever dream of even suggesting this as a fictional angle because noone would believe it...and people agreed to run with Kurt Angle beastiality sex and Katie Vick.

[SammyG]

lol Nancy. Benoit woulda put her in the Strangler if he woulda heard that. BAH GAWD NANCY AIN'T TAPPIN' OUT, HE'S CHOKIN HER.

[D Mac]

Hell, they may not even release the Summerslam and Survivor Series sets due to this shit.

[Jeritron]

They'll find a way around this shit.

They can just take his matches off the card. He's only been in main events of ppvs a limited amount of time. Some of which during brand extension featured more than one world title match which could allow for rearranging and deletion of that title match.
Matches will be lost, but they already have been by the cloud over them, and they're being taken out for good reason.
Take for instance WMXX, you just take the Eddie vs Angle match and make it the main event.
I doubt Hunter or Shawn are going to be too upset by this. They'd prob feel it right, and it's not like that one match is key to their legacy.

Most of his other ppv matches will be easy to take out without it being noticeable.

As for his inclusion in montages and the like, that's easy as hell to change. Mention of him in other matches commentary can be easily deleted or dubbed out.

And as for his presence on upcoming career dvd sets...If a wrestler is worthy of a career dvd set, then its not gonna depend on just matches with Benoit. There should be plenty of matches with others to use instead. Normally, some would be worthy to be on there, but not anymore.
Matches again are lost, and in a way it's "not fair" to the set or the wrestler, but that's the way it is. I'm sure most if not all of the wrestlers would prefer their match with him left off since matches on dvd sets are their favorite or most meaningful matches.
For instance, take a Jericho dvd set. A shit ton of great matches will be lost, but that's how its gotta be. They're no longer great and no longer have a place. The wrestler worthy of a dvd set will have plenty else to draw from.

This will take effort on the part of WWE home video, but it can be done

[Theo Dious]

Originally Posted by Jeritron Take for instance WMXX, you just take the Eddie vs Angle match and make it the main event. I doubt Hunter or Shawn are going to be too upset by this. They'd prob feel it right, and it's not like that one match is key to their legacy.

I don't know if it matters of if HHH thinks it matters, but him tapping clean at the biggest PPV ever really is a big part of the equation of his legacy.

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by DarthTedious I don't know if it matters of if HHH thinks it matters, but him tapping clean at the biggest PPV ever really is a big part of the equation of his legacy.

Eh, he did it again at 22, and was pinned cleanly at 21. He also won the match at 16, 19 and 18.
I know what you're saying, and either way I'm just saying I don't think it would be hard for them to edit things out, nor would it be that devestating to anyones legacy other than Benoit's

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go.

I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.

[ford fairlane]

Originally Posted by NoJabbaNoBogRoll I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go. I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.

It seems Chris finally done something that the wwe finally take huge umbridge with,i know it is a shocking crime but the company welcome with open arms alcoholics,druggies,wife beaters et all.
It sort of sends the message that killing your family is heinous but everything else is ok,we can still make a shit load of cash from you,maybe thats the real reason behind them erasing him from everything.
As i cant see the wwe suddenly developing scrupples

[loopydate]

Originally Posted by NoJabbaNoBogRoll I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go. I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.

Absolutely agreed here, and not just because I'm a loyal subject in Jabba's court.

The circumstances are different (so before I get Jeritron telling me I'm a retard for equating this vicious psycho killer who deserves to rot in hell and never should have existed, hear me out), but this reminds me a lot of what Hollywood tried to do after 9/11.

Almost any major-studio release that was to come out in the last quarter of 2001 that was set in New York was delayed. The Spider-Man teaser trailer was removed from theaters so that they could remove a shot that had Spidey catching a helicopter in a web between the Towers.

What happened was horrific, and Chris Benoit's life will forever be tainted. However, we can't pretend he never existed. Chris Benoit was not an unperson. He was one of the biggest stars in the industry. Should he be glorified? Absolutely not! Remove his name from the DVD listings. Stop selling his merchandise.

But don't pretend that he never wrestled because of what happened. I can't imagine how much of an uproar if the NFL decided to just not acknowledge aspects of, say, the 1973 Pro Bowl. Yes, the man who won Player of the Game wound up murdering his wife and her lover, but the game still happened. Just like the Benoit/Michaels/HHH match at WrestleMania happened. As such, it needs to be included in any sort of "historical" reference to the event, including video releases.

This isn't about WWE making money off of the career of a murderer. This is basic common sense saying "Hey, let's not get any closer to being an Orwellian society than we already are."

[Jeritron]

Vince was just on Today show

Very well spoken, the bitch attacked him with false and misleading information. He remained calm and spoke very well.
Referred to Benoit as a monster which I think is right.

very good work by Vince. But unfortunately no matter how right he is, how well he speaks, how many good points he makes, how many debates he wins, or how much good he does...they always have, currently are, and always will try to paint him as the bad guy.

[Londoner]

Yeah it was the person that was the murderer, not the wrestler...

[Jeritron]

the fucking morons tried to put a spin on Owen's death. They counted it as a heart attack death in their assault on steroids.

[Jeritron]

alcohol buse, drugs and domestic abuse are things that are present everywhere. In every profession. Always. They're personal issues that are present everywhere you turn. Those 3 examples are things the WWE has no business in. They take care of what they need to take care of with employees. If you're a druggie to the point where it's becoming known and carrying over into you're work, it then becomes their business. I.E Kurt Angle, Road Dogg, etc. Other legal issues either don't become known or are irrelevant to employment of a person anywhere they work. They are dealt with by the parties involved and law enforcement. Double homicide and suicide is much different buddy. Bad point.

[ford fairlane]

To a certain extent they deal with it when the whole world knows that the person in question has a problem,take the stone cold situation beat his wife got chased down with the cops,going by his ex-wifes words used roids,but still they welcome him back with open arms.
The real point of this seems to be if the erase chris benoit they absolve themselves,people are focusing on the use of steroids,should they not be also looking at the pressure wrestlers are put under by management.

It is so easy to label someone a monster and be done with it,but to be honest you have to look at what made the person become a monster as well,im sure when more comes out they will be plenty of blame to go around,but the buck stops with chris i know this most people know this,but i think most people want to know why,what made him snap in such a explosive fashion.

[addy2hotty]

Originally Posted by Jeritron alcohol buse, drugs and domestic abuse are things that are present everywhere. In every profession. Always. They're personal issues that are present everywhere you turn. Those 3 examples are things the WWE has no business in. They take care of what they need to take care of with employees. If you're a druggie to the point where it's becoming known and carrying over into you're work, it then becomes their business. I.E Kurt Angle, Road Dogg, etc. Other legal issues either don't become known or are irrelevant to employment of a person anywhere they work. They are dealt with by the parties involved and law enforcement. Double homicide and suicide is much different buddy. Bad point.

So the WWE have had morals all along? I find that hard to believe. Masters rapid size change after Eddie's death is not natural. I don't know whether or not the WWE encourage the use of steroids/painkillers by glossing over the use with a 'prescribed to' stamp.

The sort of attitude we're seeing is that it's ok to juice, to ravage your body with painkillers - as long as you don't kill anybody. It's only business after all.

[Jeritron]

don't point the finger at them

[Jeritron]

He wasn't talking about steroids. He was talking about domestic abuse, alcohol, and 'druggies' which obviously referred to recreational drug use.
He made no reference to steroids

What the fuck is your problem?

[Jeritron]

p.s.

Every one of us have known about steroid use and the 'ravaging' of bodies since as long as we have known about wrestling. Suddenly we have morals?? All of a sudden we can drop the hammer and point fingers and say, oh it didn't matter to us before but it does now? Or is the claim that they've been bad all along and should be judged as so, even though we haven't cared all along and now you're condemning them?

I agree there should be changes, but come on.

[Jeritron]

Stone Cold is gonna be on Regis and Kelly. It's on right now, I don't know what time he's coming on. Clearly on hand to talk about the incident. Unless of course he's on to announce the long awaited DVD release of the 3-disc The Condemned Extended Directors Cut.

[Jeritron]

Nevermind, turned out to be a fuckin repeat

[Marc the Smark]

There are fascinating articles all over the web that explain why Benoit may have done what he did. I posted them on here but someone decided to delete them.

Benoit may have believed family was 'better off in heaven'
By Eliza Barlow, SUN MEDIA

Chris Benoit may have been so depressed that he believed his family would be “better off in heaven” when he allegedly murdered his wife and son before killing himself, says an expert on murder-suicide. WWE wrestler Benoit, his wife Nancy and son Daniel, 7, were found dead Monday in their suburban Atlanta home.

Local police are treating the case as a murder-suicide.

Dr. John Bradford, associate chief of the integrated forensic program for the Royal Ottawa Health Care Group, said murder-suicides that wipe out a family are most often carried out by the father.

“The most usual cause is a major depression, normally a severe one with psychotic features,” said Bradford, also a professor of forensic psychiatry at the University of Ottawa.

“They sort of start to think, in this psychotic thinking, that the whole family would be better off in heaven ... That, ‘This is a horrible place, I think we’d all be better off dead.’”

Psychiatrists commonly refer to murder-suicide as “extended suicide,” when the killer decides life is not worth living, he said.

Police in Georgia say they will be investigating whether steroid use was a factor in the case.

Prescription anabolic steroids were found in the home.

Bradford said steroid use carries “a lot of baggage” when it comes to psychiatric health because the drugs alter brain and body chemistry.

“People that abuse steroids carry with them an increase risk of rage and rage attacks. There’s also an increased risk of depression, so it’s kind of a double whammy.”

Dads who decide to kill their kids often turn to methods such as smothering because they don’t want the children to suffer, said Bradford.

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Apparently Benoit felt, in his twisted mind, that he was doing the right thing by taking his son with him.

[Theo Dious]

Actually editing DVDs would also have the unintended but still existing effect of making the original unedited ones instant collector's items. Just putting that out there.

Also, I have a feeling I might not be able to so much as give away my damn Benoit DVD, much less make money for it at a used place.

[owenbrown]

Here is a recap of the Benoit tragedy being debated on Around the Horn yesterday for those who don't have or don't want ITunes or the podcasts or don't watch ESPN.

Panelists: J.A. Adande(former Los Angeles Times columnist), Jay Mariotti (Chicago Sun-Times), and Michael Smith(ESPN)

Originally Posted by the ESPN Around the Horn Yahoo Group Recap: Wednesday 6/27/07 OUT OF BOUNDS: How does Chris Benoit's death reflect on the WWE? [non-scoring topic] Adande notes a disturbing trend among wrestlers in general: since 1985, 63 wrestlers have died before age 50. Furthermore, after staging the "death" of Vince McMahon, the WWE needs to ask themselves what kind of values they represent. Mariotti is disgusted with McMahon's statement denying that steroids factored in Benoit's death before the final toxicology report. Between baseball and this, he says it's time for the goverment to step in. Smith calls it premature to connect this murder-suicide to steroids, but the HGH needle found in the arm of the 7-year-old son Benoit also killed is circumstantial evidence to Jay.

Additions: Mariotti said how dare Mcmahon try to protect his company, and mention Eddie's death in '05 mentioning steroids(although he forgot to mention Eddie was clean and sober at his death and only his past caught up to him years later) and Curt Henning in '03(steriods too, although he didn't mention the fact Henning also died of cocaine as well) Mariotti stretching the truth once again... no wonder sports fans in Chicago hate him.

[Londoner]

Marlotti needs to fuck off by the sounds of it. All these news reporters just want the WWE to crash n burn and makethemselves look good out of the Benoits family deaths. That's fucking low if you ask me.

[Theo Dious]

Originally Posted by TL All these news reporters just want anyone and anything to crash n burn and makethemselves look good out of any sort of tragedy that unfolds. That's fucking low if you ask me.

Fixed.

[RP]

HBK and Hunter should rename Degeneration X to Fragile X.

[road doggy dogg]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder HBK and Hunter should rename Degeneration X to Fragile X.

hahaha oh christ

[owenbrown]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder HBK and Hunter should rename Degeneration X to Fragile X.

You have a weird sense of humor, RP

[Innovator]

Mariotti bows down to Woody Paige, everyone knows that.

[James Steele]

I hate ATH. They always shit on Woody Paige.

[James Steele]

Woody Paige should get his own 1-hour show on ESPN.

[Innovator]

Originally Posted by JamesSteele Woody Paige should get his own 1-hour show on ESPN.

Got Wood-y?

[Jordan]

I just wish this would go away

Its being said he killed his son with a choke hold :\

[Arnold HamNegger]

I was watching some news reports last night that I had recorded and then that Linkin Park song "What I've Done" came on the radio. When they showed a clip of Benoit hugging/kissing his son in the ring after winning the belt I just started crying.

They lyrics of the song with this scenerio is just





















FUCK YOU BENOIT FOR MAKING ME EMO! :foc:

[owenbrown]

Innovator and JamesSteele

[Kris P Lettus]

Fox News is saying that authorities raided Benoits personal doctor's office..