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Old 07-02-2009, 02:20 AM   #1
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Old 07-02-2009, 03:35 AM   #2
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Obvious from my previous posts I have been reading into the plot holes in the movie. Before someone jumps my case its not that I have anything against the film...its simply because I figured some people would have support and reasons behind some of these plot holes in defending them.

In my search I came across the answer to one plot hole that some people were wondering about...

I got this little tidbit from a response to someones complaint on a message board.

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If only a prime can kill a prime....then how the hell does Megatron and his goons kill Optimus if Optimus and The Fallen are the last two primes?

Answer: Optimus didnt die....in the novel it states that Optimus didnt die and went into a system shut down mode. The system shut down mode was to allow Prime to heal but the healing would have took a few hundred if not more years to get him back online. Thats why Sam needed to retrieve the Matrix....to speed up the healing.
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Old 07-02-2009, 03:44 AM   #3
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I never considered novelizations canon, personally.

My alternate explanation (read: better ) states that Megatron is a Prime decedent just like Optimus (they are brothers). So Megatron is perfectly capable of taking out Optimus (as per the Primes kill Primes concept). Also, consider that the Primes are the first, and most powerful, of the Transformer race. It would seem that older Transformers had more power in general (Fallen and Jetfire, TFs from the past, can teleport). So I'd say the only person closet to beating Fallen would be Optimus by default - a naturally stronger TF due to his Prime lineage. And, just being abstract here, Megatron as well (I wouldn't put the action past him either).
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A question that jumped in my head this morning....and maybe its been mentioned or perhaps answered in the movie and I just dont remember...

If there was only a small group of Primes...and The Fallen betrayed them and the rest of them gave their lives to form a tomb over the matrix...Where did Optimus come from?
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A question that jumped in my head this morning....and maybe its been mentioned or perhaps answered in the movie and I just dont remember...

If there was only a small group of Primes...and The Fallen betrayed them and the rest of them gave their lives to form a tomb over the matrix...Where did Optimus come from?
Bitch was already Pregnant, a la Terminator.

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A question that jumped in my head this morning....and maybe its been mentioned or perhaps answered in the movie and I just dont remember...

If there was only a small group of Primes...and The Fallen betrayed them and the rest of them gave their lives to form a tomb over the matrix...Where did Optimus come from?
Could have a been a protoform (child) who carried on the legacy. Good question, though.
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Or he could've been the only remaining Prime at the time on Cybertron.

That explains alot don't it?
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Old 07-02-2009, 08:48 PM   #9
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Well I don't think Optimus or Megatron is that old. Relatively speaking, I know they're really old by our standards.
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Old 07-04-2009, 05:53 PM   #10
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I kind of interpreted The Fallen's comment about "only a Prime can defeat me" as "only a super bad ass can defeat me, and Optimus Prime is the biggest bad ass of them all." He's not willing to take the risk to expose himself to a Prime (since they are badasses) and possibly get killed.

The only reason I say this is because we never saw any proof that a regular Autobot couldn't injure or fight against The Fallen. Yeah, we saw him come down and fuck their world up, but we never saw a true physcal inability to attack him. And all Optimus did was shoot him and then cut his head off.


As far as where Optimus came from, I kind of figure that the greater power (the Allspark, Vector Sigma, Primus, whatever you want to call it) realized that The Fallen was the only Prime left, so it created Optimus to even the odds.
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That can work, but I think Fallen would end any other Autobot fairly easily. The Autobots seen Megatron in the first movie and they retreated (except for poor Jazz). If Megatron strike's fear like that, I imagine The Fallen is that much worse.
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:31 AM   #12
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Watched a downloaded copy last night. I enjoyed it. Can't wait to watch it on DVD.
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Watched tonight, sick movieeeee. Didn't even realize how long it was 'til I left the theatre and it was like 1am lol. I guess that's a good thing, didn't really feel dragged out or nothin'.

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Know what I just thought of?

Wasnt the NEst a multinational task force?

So how does the POTUS just shut that shit down, without consent of the other nations>?
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Wasnt the NEst a multinational task force?

So how does the POTUS just shut that shit down, without consent of the other nations>?
National Guard not withstanding, which of the US Military branches ISN'T multi-national?
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National Guard not withstanding, which of the US Military branches ISN'T multi-national?
None of them are.

But they do at times take part in Task forces, which are under control by an independent body comprised of the nations involved.

Like, Obama couldnt pull the plug on a UN peacekeeping mission...he couldpull his troops out, but not shut it down.

So if the Nest was truly a multinational group, he would have no power.
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Good observation, but what Obama says goes.
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I'm pretty sure NEST is American forces. What makes you think they're part of the UN?
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Prime says it is multinational.

They have the British Special Forces.
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They have soldiers from other countries. Like Cybertron.
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Saw this the other night, much better than I expected after reading a few fan reviews.

The fight scene at the end dragged a little IMO and then The Fallen vs. Prime fight was almost anti climactic by comparision. But overall a good film I thought.

I will buy it on DVD.
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It was ok. I thought there was too much emphasis on Shia the Beef and Hottie McHotterson's "I love you" storyline. I enjoyed it, but probably won't watch it again unless a friend wanted to watch it on DVD.

Some parts were really cool like the construction bots. I was hoping the Autobots would have have similar bots to battle with it. Oh well.
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I made the odd decision to watch Transformers 2, even though I've never seen the first one. Mostly because my friend really wanted to go see it and he wanted some friends to go with him.

To me, some parts were a bit "What the fuck? ". Like when Sam is in what appears to be Transformer Heaven or something and the Gods talk to him and he comes back to life or some crap like that.

But I thought it was pretty decent. Though you could hardly see what was going on during the fights because you just saw alot of metal moving about so you couldn't really make out how the Transformers were fighting.
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I thought the film was pretty awesome and did answer the demands the audience made after the first one...

Few things I did not like or question.....

- Why didn't Sam and co just use that bit of the allspark they already had to bring Optimus back to life instead of that Jetfire dickhead?

- Scorponok - Jesus, he survived a film only to come back for those few seconds, poor show.

- The dream/death sequence when Sam met the Primes above, eh, really wasn't needed, found it cringe worthy.


Overall I liked it.
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The all AllSpark just gave Jetfire the power of the Transformer again...he had faded way over time and loss of energon...the Allspark just infuses things with Energon.

Prime was dead, and the Matrix is all that can give life.

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Pretty much what Hanso said. Prime wasn't in stasis lock, he was dead. As in doornail. The only thing bringing him back was something that had a lot of power.
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Ah that's bullshit, the allspark had the ability to take life in the first film on Megatron, so surely give life too?

And I swear in the film the said the matrix is made of the same shit the allspark was anyway?

Still, good film.
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I enjoyed the movie, idnt seem to be as much in close superblurobullshit and tons more action. Just found it weird that they bring back scorponok but barricade is still mia from the first movie.

My one "wtf" point would have to be devestator..really what did it do? lets see:

1. Was made to look very vulnerable by 2 midget autobots.

2. Waddled up a pyramid while taking half an hour to do so.

3. Hads its balls ridiculed by the comic relief actor of the movie.

3. Slapped some pyramid blocks away before getting raped with 1 shot.




I thought it would have played more of a part like getting involved in the big battle but if 2 midgets gave it so much hassle it probably would have just been cannon fodder in a larger scale battle. Seems to have been put in the movie mainly for extra eye candy as it really didnt do anything besides transform then get raped. Yeah it uncovered the weapon in the pyramid but considering the power the fallen was wielding sucking in jets and tanks id imagine he would have been able to uncover it fairly easily as well.


And why is it the toy version actually stands on 2 legs while the movie version is on all fours? Probably would have looked more intimidating if it were standing upright.
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This would have been way better
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Looks more imposiing ill say that much, the movie version just had too many colours meshed together. Wasn't untill the eyes lit up that you could make out where the face was.
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Barricade is still out there?

Sweet I loved him. No, really, I did.
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Sweet I loved him. No, really, I did.


Well the story is that someone fucked up in the editing process of the first movie, after prime killed off bonecrusher barricade was meant to come in and start off another battle. That would explain why prime was late to the end battle with the dramatic entrance.

Bays never confirmed or denied that to my knowledge but barricade was enroute to the final battle and was with bonecrusher on the highway just prior to prime killing bonecrusher.

I don't really see why barricade would keep prime fighting long anyway considering the speed that bonecrusher was whipped, a much larger decepticon than barricade. That and even bumblebee was able to dispose of barricade easy enough earlier in the movie.
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Well the story is that someone fucked up in the editing process of the first movie, after prime killed off bonecrusher barricade was meant to come in and start off another battle. That would explain why prime was late to the end battle with the dramatic entrance.

Bays never confirmed or denied that to my knowledge but barricade was enroute to the final battle and was with bonecrusher on the highway just prior to prime killing bonecrusher.

I don't really see why barricade would keep prime fighting long anyway considering the speed that bonecrusher was whipped, a much larger decepticon than barricade. That and even bumblebee was able to dispose of barricade easy enough earlier in the movie.
WOW I never knew that, thats pretty awesome though they can use him maybe for the next one?
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That one shot that killed Devastator? That was a Rail Gun. Known in various fiction to OWN.
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Yes it was but at the same time a 1 hit kill is pretty shit no matter what way you slice it. Devestator had a good transformation sequence and that was it, nothing but eyecandy for the rest of its appearence.
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Good chance that eye candy was the point of the matter. And he 'cocked' the pyramid for Fallen.
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And he 'cocked' the pyramid for Fallen.
True but given the power that the fallen was wielding by being able to take down multiple jets and tanks etc it probably wasn't even that necessary for devestator to be there at all.

Just seems they could have given it a far better role than it had, its like they made the decision to have it in the movie then realised they couldnt have it in the large scale battle due mainly to rendering time being increased ten fold. So this pyramid gun bs is pulled out of nowhere.
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