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Old 05-07-2010, 09:38 AM   #1
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And then there were 9. Who knew Miles would outlive the other 3 from the freighter? I figured it would've been Daniel.
Speaking of people remaining, I love how it breaks down...

People who were born/controlled the Island
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Kate
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:46 AM   #4
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Ah, they don't count. Unless they become important all of a sudden
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Ah, they don't count. Unless they become important all of a sudden
I swear if they kill MIB and end up being pilots, I'm going to be pissed.
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I thought it was obvious that Rose was the oracle off Matrix and she will help combine the two universes.
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Im willing to bet that the origins of jacob and the mib are a parallel of the story of Kane and Abel or a type of god vs. the devil in that the island is the gate of hell, and jacob or the candidates are the gatekeepers keeping the mib in.

Now that someone brought it up, it would make sense that sawyer could become the next mib. Now I know he isnt evil and has done heroic things, but in a lot of archetypal stories, a hero can become a villain by going through too much and not dealing with the adversity that has been but on him. I think all he needs is for a few more shitty things to happen to him and jack to be the indirect/direct cause of it and they will be enemies on the level of mib and jacob.
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Im willing to bet that the origins of jacob and the mib are a parallel of the story of Kane and Abel or a type of god vs. the devil in that the island is the gate of hell, and jacob or the candidates are the gatekeepers keeping the mib in.

Now that someone brought it up, it would make sense that sawyer could become the next mib. Now I know he isnt evil and has done heroic things, but in a lot of archetypal stories, a hero can become a villain by going through too much and not dealing with the adversity that has been but on him. I think all he needs is for a few more shitty things to happen to him and jack to be the indirect/direct cause of it and they will be enemies on the level of mib and jacob.
Being responsible for the deaths of 3 major characters should weigh very heavily on his conscience.
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Im willing to bet that the origins of jacob and the mib are a parallel of the story of Kane and Abel or a type of god vs. the devil in that the island is the gate of hell, and jacob or the candidates are the gatekeepers keeping the mib in.

Now that someone brought it up, it would make sense that sawyer could become the next mib. Now I know he isnt evil and has done heroic things, but in a lot of archetypal stories, a hero can become a villain by going through too much and not dealing with the adversity that has been but on him. I think all he needs is for a few more shitty things to happen to him and jack to be the indirect/direct cause of it and they will be enemies on the level of mib and jacob.
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Im willing to bet that the origins of jacob and the mib are a parallel of the story of Kane and Abel or a type of god vs. the devil in that the island is the gate of hell, and jacob or the candidates are the gatekeepers keeping the mib in.
Yes on Kane and Abel. This is exactly what I think.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:18 PM   #14
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Or MIBs mom sacrifices him to the island....Someone has to "eat" the evil to contain it, a la Diablo or Green Mile. MIB never wanted the job, so Jacob has to keep him in line.

MIB is just a man that wants to go home, but was pulled into a role he never watned, keeping evil at bay.

Thats my new theory.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:19 PM   #15
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Like thats why he said he had a crazy mom. She threw him to the wolves to become keeper of evil.
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Humans for all life have been coming to the island to seal away evil. Evil prevented childbirth so they built a statue of tawaret.

Jacob and MIB were brought aschildren to the island society. MIB is forced to take in theevil, snaps and kills everyone except JAcob whom he cant. He dedicates himself to get off the island, so JAcob spends the rest of his life bringing people to the island to stop him.
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Really goin wild with this ancient civilisation/jacob/mib ideas here, its good, but I dunno if such a detailed story can fit and work at this late in the whole story.

The more I have been thinking about how it ends, the more I am leaning to it all being resolved off Island, despite the fact I want a resolution on Island. I have got this feeling when the realities merge, or however this ends, its the new alternate reality that is going to be the time/place/existence where they all end up afterwards.
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I'm not sure if it will be flat out hell. I don't think they'd commit to a particular religion. The ancient cultures seemed to liken the whole thing to Egyptian theology of an underworld, with MIB being Cerberus and Jacob possibly being Tawaret or Anubis.
It makes sense that modern dwellers would liken it to hell, and God vs Satan.
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Wasn't Anubis the god of war? of the dead? I could see Jacob representing the dead more because of the whispers and other religious/mythological elements of the show.

But yeah, I don't think it's going to be a flat out 'heaven vs hell' kind of scenario. Jacob and MIB been likened to Kane and Abel is not something new I'm afraid to say.

DHARMA called the smoke monster the Cerberus system, Cerberus of course is said to guard the underworld, represented by the Island I guess or where it leads.

The hieroglyphics that appear on the DHARMA countdown timer when the button is not pressed translate as 'Underworld'.

All these ideas and likenesses are all valid and have substance, that is what is so good, it all applies, but at the same time they have not stuck to one specific route/possibility.
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I think they should keep the nature of the mythos a mixture of all things, and open to interpretation. If they go specificially with Judeo-Christian ideas it kind of takes away from other things, and takes the mythology out of it's own world.
It should be it's own thing, and conventional religiions are perhaps different cultures ways of trying to understand the real and unique island.
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I think they should keep the nature of the mythos a mixture of all things, and open to interpretation. If they go specificially with Judeo-Christian ideas it kind of takes away from other things, and takes the mythology out of it's own world.
It should be it's own thing, and conventional religiions are perhaps different cultures ways of trying to understand the real and unique island.
it doesnt really matter.... every single religion including the ancient ones, have all the same archetypes in them, good/evil, light/dark, sun/moon. Its all really the same it just differentiates by the name given.

every religion has a gaurdian of the underworld and someone who is in it that either wants out or runs it.
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Very true. That's sort of the reason why I want it to be it's own mythology. Even if it corresponds to various other religions and myths, I think Lost should have it's own mythology
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Maybe Jacob/MiB is what all religion is based on. Just different interpretations by what become all the different religions.

Dunno how they'd represet that though
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Called it way back in the episode we first saw him, the kid must be Jacob as a young kid, MIB & Jacob: KIDS.
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Old 05-11-2010, 04:56 PM   #28
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Shit goin down tonight!!

I can't stay up late enough to catch it but fo sho I'll be back here same time tomorrow to comment. ENJOY GUYS!!!!
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Old 05-11-2010, 05:04 PM   #29
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Im hoping its a great one and this thread is very busy tomorrow
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Old 05-11-2010, 05:06 PM   #30
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Old 05-11-2010, 07:43 PM   #31
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Had a dream about Lost last night, pretty excited for this episode, hoping it delivers. It better answer a lot of fucking questions and not just be boring and average.
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:03 PM   #32
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Have to be honest...that was a huge letdown
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:08 PM   #33
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Agree. Pretty much done with Lost. Was super excited for this episode and it wasn't much of anything. Sorry if I don't care about some stupid ass light. Should have quit this when I got fed up during season 3 and stopped for awhile. Only 3 and a half hours of Lost left though, will finish it up. Think it'll take a lot for those episodes to leave me satisfied and glad I stuck with it. Hell last weeks episode with all those deaths I just didn't care. Dunno.
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:23 PM   #34
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Im not done with Lost by any means, just a little letdown for this episode. I was hoping for a little more Island history.
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:41 PM   #35
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That was a complete pile of shit.

We get "answers" but not explanation.
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Knew this was gonna happen after this ep. People are never happy in this situation.
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But goddamn, does the main through line of Lost ever seem to be "Parent's fuck ya up good".
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But goddamn, does the main through line of Lost ever seem to be "Parent's fuck ya up good".
Or perhaps the theme is dont have kids cause they make ya crazy. Seriously though, I cant think of one character who didnt have parent problems. Charlie maybe?
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:11 PM   #39
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I can see the argument where people might think this episode had nothing in it, but I really liked it. I love how this episode confirms that the person the audience assumed to be the all knowing being of the island throughout the series really doesn't really presume to know all the answers. Jacob took a leap of faith and trusted his "mother" in eventualy taking her spot as the protector. He didn't completly understand what exactly he was protecitng, but in his heart he felt he was doing what was right. Sound familiar?

Then we have the MIB. The person who we thought was the MIB in his original form really wasn't such a bad guy after all. He was just curious and wanted answers. So now we see that Smokey just took his form after he went into the tunnel. And Smokey goes back long before Jacob and his brother. I am assuming the real mother appearing to Jacob's brother was the Smoke Monster and that "It" took out that whole camp.

But my favorite part of the episode was that ending. The whole sequence cutting to Jack, Kate and Locke was amazing. I think that was the 1st or 2nd episode, right? It made me think look how far we've come from back then and where we are right now knowing so much more about the island. Really loved that.
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I can see the argument where people might think this episode had nothing in it, but I really liked it. I love how this episode confirms that the person the audience assumed to be the all knowing being of the island throughout the series really doesn't really presume to know all the answers. Jacob took a leap of faith and trusted his "mother" in eventualy taking her spot as the protector. He didn't completly understand what exactly he was protecitng, but in his heart he felt he was doing what was right. Sound familiar?

Then we have the MIB. The person who we thought was the MIB in his original form really wasn't such a bad guy after all. He was just curious and wanted answers. So now we see that Smokey just took his form after he went into the tunnel. And Smokey goes back long before Jacob and his brother. I am assuming the real mother appearing to Jacob's brother was the Smoke Monster and that "It" took out that whole camp.

But my favorite part of the episode was that ending. The whole sequence cutting to Jack, Kate and Locke was amazing. I think that was the 1st or 2nd episode, right? It made me think look how far we've come from back then and where we are right now knowing so much more about the island. Really loved that.
Alot of people seem to hate when they flashback like that, but I thought it was cool here. It was such a long ways ago and more of an "innocent" (for lack of a better word there) time in the show
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