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Old 05-12-2010, 06:34 PM   #1
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Again, I have said this a lot, but this battle, this resolution is 'the end', not just in the sense of the show, but 'It only ends once, anything that happens before that is just progress' - sure its very likely there will be a new Jacob and maybe a new antagonist to that, but ever since he said that on the beach, I dunno it's like this is the deciding battle.

Whatever the smoke is, 'evil', this is the first time the evil has managed to find a loophole and is in a position to leave actually leave. Widmore, Jacob and Hurley have all said that if MIB/smokey/evil leaves the island, then everything is over, everyone is dead, existence ends etc and that is the case. This is the final battle. So even if there is to be a new Jacob out of the candidates, that doesn't mean they will carry on guarding the Island necessarily, it could mean that that chosen one is the only one who in the end can kill/destroy/trap the evil for good.
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:56 PM   #2
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:57 PM   #3
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Just hope that it's not a disappointing finish.
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:59 PM   #4
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Amen.

I'll be honest, I'm worried.
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Rewatched the episode tonight. Better when I didn't have as high expectations.

Something was amiss though with jacob becoming the protector. The mother seemed up to something. I'm not sure she didn't want jacob to throw his brother down that hole.

Also, regarding the outrigger chase and who is on the boat....

If you want to know if or when its going to pop up...



We aren't going to see it----confirmed by carlton and damon
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Old 05-12-2010, 09:58 PM   #6
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Yeah my thoughts were more along Loose Cannons. MIB released him. Hence why MIB physical body is separate from Smokey.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:00 PM   #7
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Im not trying to continue a counter argument deal her

But good vs evil isnt part of the show,

they are really playing up Light vs dark

Same thing....? Sort of, but without the moral ties

So a guy like ben can be light.....but its fucking ben
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Im not trying to continue a counter argument deal her

But good vs evil isnt part of the show,

they are really playing up Light vs dark

Same thing....? Sort of, but without the moral ties

So a guy like ben can be light.....but its fucking ben
good vs evil was a poor choice for words. let's go light vs dark. but my main point is still that light vs dark was probably there since the beg of the island. like I said, I am probably reaching, but I doubt they will ever go way back anyway
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and more to the point, good vs evil for all out mankind really doesnt pop up in lost, seems like all humans or "peopl" are evil....
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I don't think we should focus on the definitions of whether we say good vs evil, dark vs light, there is already too much to figure out.

The fact is, both are supported.

Dark vs Light with the whole backgammon thing from like the first episodes with Locke talking to Walt, when Locke said he saw a bright light when he saw the monster and when Eko said he saw dark. Tons more...

And then with the whole good and evil thing....been said LOADS through the show about people being 'good' and worthy etc....and more recently with Dogen speaking of Locke being evil incarnate and how there is evil parts to the good. Not to mention Jacob referring the Island to being the cork of the wine bottle that keeps evil at bay.

Both choice of words are valid for different reasons, and because of that just makes it all the more complicated which is what its all about really.
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Old 05-13-2010, 10:07 AM   #11
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great point on the mother. didn't even think of that. she made Jacob drink that stuff though, so if she was a Monster, you would think that stuff was bad
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Old 05-13-2010, 10:10 AM   #12
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OMG come on are we really gonna go there? at this point?
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Old 05-13-2010, 10:14 AM   #13
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YES LOL

fuck, what if all this time it's actually been Jacob that's really the "bad" guy here and Smokey is the one that's actually good.
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Ugh, lol, seriously? you think they would do a 180 like this this far into the game and after everything that have flat out told us, hinted at, alluded to and suggested? at this point?

I hope to god they don't do ANYTHING like that. Come too far, remembered and followed too much and it just wouldn't be a good thing at all.
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ah christ, didn't even realize this theory is being discussed. I can honestly see this happening with this show. dunno wtf this guy is talking about though here with kittens.


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Ugh, I'm staying out of this one. I'll be VERY VERY surprised and disappointed if this whole thing does a 180 like that at the end. Too much has happened in EVERY sense to have such a 'twist' occur and be of a good quality/idea/outcome for the story.
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The Protector of the Island seems analogous to the person pushing the button. It seems as whenever the "other" people get too close to reaching the powers of the Island, they are wiped out. Much like pressing the button resets the EM in the Hatch.

We know the following people have been wiped out on the Island:
MiB's original people
DHARMA Initiative
People who built the temples/statues

It seems this mass genocide (as explained in the interview I posted above) repeats itself on the Island as these people get closer and, presumably, greedier to find that power.
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Swear Faraday said that the detonation of the bomb would render the pocket of energy and all other sources of that energy inert. So unless that one in the cave is something special than the other ones, it's all gone.
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Swear Faraday said that the detonation of the bomb would render the pocket of energy and all other sources of that energy inert. So unless that one in the cave is something special than the other ones, it's all gone.
That depends on what the result of the Hydrogen Bomb was. If you think the bomb was always the "Incident" at the Swan Site, then you know Faraday was obviously wrong.

If you think the bomb created the alternate timeline, then he was right.
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By the way, I know alot of us are unhappy with some of the explanations of these mysteries, however I am still going to miss theorizing about everything with people.
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That depends on what the result of the Hydrogen Bomb was. If you think the bomb was always the "Incident" at the Swan Site, then you know Faraday was obviously wrong.

If you think the bomb created the alternate timeline, then he was right.
Yeah see this is another thing I can't figure out. What was is the first time round then?

Because whatever it was, it still enabled the hatch to be built with the computer/button etc,
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yea but faraday also didnt think that they would go on still living on the island so...
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By the looks of things there will be plenty to still talk about, let alone the finale itself
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and it's been the Mother and Jacob that wiped out MIB people and DHARMA. dunno about the statue people.
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One other thing I really wanted answering, was why Jack, Sayid, Kate and Hurley were sent back to 1977 when they returned to the Island, yet Sun, Ben, Frank etc stayed in the present (2007). Really wish they had a reason behind that other than it being conveniant.
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One other thing I really wanted answering, was why Jack, Sayid, Kate and Hurley were sent back to 1977 when they returned to the Island, yet Sun, Ben, Frank etc stayed in the present (2007). Really wish they had a reason behind that other than it being conveniant.
My theory was that it was Jacob's doing and they were sent there to be protected from MiB, while Sun stayed in 2007 to keep separate. Kind of like how the President and VP dont wouldnt fly on the same plane. Just in case anything happens, someone survives.

After Ben stabs Jacob, Jacob tells MiB "they're coming"
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One other thing I really wanted answering, was why Jack, Sayid, Kate and Hurley were sent back to 1977 when they returned to the Island, yet Sun, Ben, Frank etc stayed in the present (2007). Really wish they had a reason behind that other than it being conveniant.
I think it was the island that did this.

It was the MIB's plan and loophole to have Locke leave the island, and come back dead with those who had left. But that outcome was also in part due to the things Jacob did and part of his plan also. So I think the island, as an entity gave them both a kind of advantage and chance for each team (Jacob Vs MIB) to win. Jack and co sent back to drop the bomb and create the alt timeline, and MIB/Ben to kill Jacob and continue with their path.
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I think for us to explain why we're not giving him a name veers too far into the territory of explaining things that we don't feel the need to explain.
I think that sums up the writers take on things pretty well. We won't get his name, we won't get an answer to who was shooting at the outrigger during the time shift, etc.

Reading that interview they seem very resentful of their audience. Especially Damon Lindeloff (sp).
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I don't know if I fully like or agree with them on that.

Sure it's great to have some mystery and some unknown element to the whole saga. But sometimes I get the feeling that they did just fuck around as they went on without thinking it through just so at the time they could give us something new and different, and something we will never see again. And at the time, were lead to believe all things that happen, especially the weird and unexplained had/has a purpose. Now it just seems as though it was for nothing. I mean why include things like that and take up valuable story and screen time, when it has no real effect or significance. Shit like that is what you do with written stories and books, not a show that has a limited amount of time to tell a story. I dunno, maybe its just me being bitter about it. But still.
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Keep in mind that for a while, they didn't know WHEN the show was going to end. Then, when they got word of how many seasons it would have, they 'finished' it, so to speak.
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I get this vague feeling that the final two on the island will be Jack (Jacob) and Claire (MIB)...
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Claire, really?

I guess, she could be driven crazy by not getting Aaron back. But I thought they were really playing up this whole Jack vs. Sawyer thing really well. It has built up nicely to leave Sawyer as new MIB.
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Claire, really?

I guess, she could be driven crazy by not getting Aaron back. But I thought they were really playing up this whole Jack vs. Sawyer thing really well. It has built up nicely to leave Sawyer as new MIB.
Agreed. Plus its Claire. If they do indeed end the show with two new replacements, Sawyer will have so much more of an impact than Claire.
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Claire, really?

I guess, she could be driven crazy by not getting Aaron back. But I thought they were really playing up this whole Jack vs. Sawyer thing really well. It has built up nicely to leave Sawyer as new MIB.
Yeah but only with his current desire to leave because of Juliet etc.

His character has rough edges in morality sure, but they all do. Overall Sawyer is a good guy and is like the new Jack, he does believe, he just doesn't know it, I don't think he represents the new host for MIB, it would also mean he has to die.

If John Locke is not brought back when the realities merge on Island, and they do end up keeping the Island's function of people coming going, I think it will be Locke/MIB and Jack who serve as the protectors/representatives of light/dark.
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That was fucking shit, that episode should have explained loads of stuff. Garbage.
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That was fucking shit, that episode should have explained loads of stuff. Garbage.
I'm sure they had a valid reason for not answering everything, but in a way, yes you're right because now it brings up even more damn questions. Most importatnly, wtf is that "light" and why did Smokey come out of it after the unamed brother of Jacob fell down into the light?
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While I don't and won't say I hate is, it was prob the worst LOST episode in my opinion. Even the Nikki and Paulo episode was better.
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While I don't and won't say I hate is, it was prob the worst LOST episode in my opinion. Even the Nikki and Paulo episode was better.
That's pushing it man. Those 2 were about as useless of characters as Artz and Frogurt.
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The characters were terrible.

But the episode was pretty good.

- How they were actually the ones who found the Peal station and didn't tell anyone will be the ultimate reason for them being twats but it was a decent 'shock'.

- Sawyer was funny in the episode.

- Was a good story of how they trusted and loved each other but fucked it up over something like diamonds.

- Getting buried as she opened her eyes was cool.
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