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Old 08-15-2010, 01:53 PM   #1
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Anderson was a pretty great athlete and if you look at his swing, he had a noticeable Griffey style uppercut.

I wouldn't consider him any more a suspect than Javy Lopez, Luis Gonzalez, Todd Hundley (think it was him who hit 45 homers randomly one year), or Adrian Beltre.
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Personally I buy in to the idea that a guy with good pitch recognition can choose what kind of hitter he wants to be.
Still waiting for the year when Ichiro finally says fuck it and hits 35 homers. And he could do it rather easily.
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Personally I buy in to the idea that a guy with good pitch recognition can choose what kind of hitter he wants to be.
Still waiting for the year when Ichiro finally says fuck it and hits 35 homers. And he could do it rather easily.
Don't know if he could anymore, tbh.
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Personally I buy in to the idea that a guy with good pitch recognition can choose what kind of hitter he wants to be.
Still waiting for the year when Ichiro finally says fuck it and hits 35 homers. And he could do it rather easily.
Comparing Ichiro and Brady Anderson is a bit extreme. Anderson is a career .260 hitter, far from a superstar and I doubt he has this ability to suddenly chose to go from being a pretty mediocre hitter to being a prodigious power guy, especially at the age of 32 when he did it.

Ichiro, yes, I bet in his prime he could have hit 35 homers. But he's a once in a generation type talent.

Yeah, Brady could have had a career year, and I'll say that even if he was on the roids he certainly was a better hitter that year regardless (.297) than at any other point, so he was a better hitter that year, yes. But in the dead middle of the steroid era, when a guy jacks 30 more homers than his career high, slugs over 200 points better than his career average, and bulks up, you have to at least be suspicious. Players don't just get better like that, especially at 32, without going on the gas.

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I wouldn't consider him any more a suspect than Javy Lopez, Luis Gonzalez, Todd Hundley (think it was him who hit 45 homers randomly one year), or Adrian Beltre.
Javy Lopez did do the roids dude: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ids-i.html.php

And Todd Hundley was in the Mitchell Report: http://www.baseballssteroidera.com/b...-baseball.html

And Beltre had his career year when he was 25.
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...I'm a huge Manny Ramirez fan, he's my favorite player...but...ever since last year when he was caught using Steroids, the guy has been plunging...he's a nonfactor, he can't even stay healthy enough to play...

...so...Am I delusional to believe his monster years before last season wasn't a direct result of steroid use and that what's happened to him in the last year and a half will pass and he will become the hitter he was? Or is he done?
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...I'm a huge Manny Ramirez fan, he's my favorite player...but...ever since last year when he was caught using Steroids, the guy has been plunging...he's a nonfactor, he can't even stay healthy enough to play...

...so...Am I delusional to believe his monster years before last season wasn't a direct result of steroid use and that what's happened to him in the last year and a half will pass and he will become the hitter he was? Or is he done?
Besides him playing in his 17th season and had issues with injuries the last couple of years, Manny right now for the Dodgers is basically the late years "Manny being Manny" of the Red Sox.

Mentally he starts to lose interest in playing good if he doesn't get his money or the team stinks (as is the case this year). He played hard for the rest of the season after the trade and then the 1st full season with the Dodgers. After that he reverted back to the bad Manny that got Red Sox fans and management upset with him.
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...I'm a huge Manny Ramirez fan, he's my favorite player...but...ever since last year when he was caught using Steroids, the guy has been plunging...he's a nonfactor, he can't even stay healthy enough to play...

...so...Am I delusional to believe his monster years before last season wasn't a direct result of steroid use and that what's happened to him in the last year and a half will pass and he will become the hitter he was? Or is he done?
I think it's more likely related to him aging. Steroids or not he was a great hitter. I'm not sure how severe his steroid use, or how long it went on. It could have been his whole career or just an isolated incident.
No idea.

As for Brady Anderson
I respect and agree with the theory that it is possible for a player to have a career year out of the clear blue, but 50 hrs out of nowhere by a leadoff hitter who was noticably jacked is very suspicious.
Given the era, I would have to say he was probably using steroids.
I also would say the same about Luis Gonzalez, Beltre and other players suspected but not linked.
I love Jeff Bagwell but I think it's naive to rule him out just because he hasn't been named in any reports or books. I hope he didn't.
I wouldn't be suprised if he doesn't get many votes for the HOF next year.
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I dunno just saying I believe it's possible to do what he did.

Roger Maris did it.
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...How 'bout Twins Manager Ron Gardenhire pulling pitcher Kevin Slowey after the 7th inning when the guy had a no-hitter going?

Gardenhire brought in a reliever in the 8th, who promptly gave up the first hit and run.
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...How 'bout Twins Manager Ron Gardenhire pulling pitcher Kevin Slowey after the 7th inning when the guy had a no-hitter going?

Gardenhire brought in a reliever in the 8th, who promptly gave up the first hit and run.
He had missed his last start with a sore elbow and I believe his elbow was feeling strained in this start. Either way, the manager had to protect his arm. Sucks though.
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Though it should be innocent until proven guilty, it's hard not to suspect from the entire era.
I don't think Griffey or Ripken were invovled though, so maybe I'm picking and choosing. Fuckin hate the steroid fiasco
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If it ever came out that Griffey used...I would just lose all faith in Baseball.

Griffey and Jeter are the two guys from the 90s that I really think didn't use, along with Gwynn and Ripken. Everyone else? Who knows?
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Hmm...I don't suspect he did, no one's ever said anything, but if it came out he did, it wouldn't have that "WHAT?! NO WAY" element to it.
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Yeah, Frank Thomas seems to be one of those "naturally strong" types.

Another guy from the 90s whose probably free and clear is Jim Thome.
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You would think that the Steroid stuff that came out would help guys like Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Mike Piazza, Chipper Jones...

...but who knows? It doesn't seem to help Fred McGriff.
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My one thing is this: If Brady was on roids - why only one year? He was huge in that 1996 pic you posted...what about before and after? Why didnt it seem to help, but only in that one career year.
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My one thing is this: If Brady was on roids - why only one year? He was huge in that 1996 pic you posted...what about before and after? Why didnt it seem to help, but only in that one career year.
Was 1996 a contract year or at least close to one since a lot of players tend to have sudden stat boosts when it comes to guaranteeing extra cash then drop once they get paid?

A-Rod supposedly only roided up during the time with the Rangers but it did influence his ability later on to get a $300+ million deal with the Yankees since he's not busted until after the new contract.

A good non-roids example would be Sean Alexander for Seattle in football. He has a great few years as a running back near the end of his contract. Then he gets a huge pay increase with a new contract and follows it by not even trying to be good the following years since he got paid and doesn't care anymore.
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My one thing is this: If Brady was on roids - why only one year? He was huge in that 1996 pic you posted...what about before and after? Why didnt it seem to help, but only in that one career year.
That's a fair point. From what I've seen, Anderson has flat denied steroid use, and it doesn't make great sense that he'd only use for one season. What is possible is that he'd been using and bulking up for quite some time, and had a monster year in 1996. He did get noticeably bigger as his career went on (and to answer your question, he was jacked going forward), so it is possible he juiced well before then and only broke out in '96. But I see your point.

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Was 1996 a contract year or at least close to one since a lot of players tend to have sudden stat boosts when it comes to guaranteeing extra cash then drop once they get paid?

A-Rod supposedly only roided up during the time with the Rangers but it did influence his ability later on to get a $300+ million deal with the Yankees since he's not busted until after the new contract.

A good non-roids example would be Sean Alexander for Seattle in football. He has a great few years as a running back near the end of his contract. Then he gets a huge pay increase with a new contract and follows it by not even trying to be good the following years since he got paid and doesn't care anymore.
He became a free agent after the '97 season, year after he hit the 50 bombs.

Oh, and how do I know Anderson is still jacked?
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lol K-Rod tore a ligament in his thumb in his fight. Season likely over.

Mets are trying to get his contract voided. the Players Association is gay though so they'll probably find some way around it.
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I'm surprised.
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I'm not. He left with no ill will, and had fantastic years with the Yankees. I miss him, and I'd give him a cheer if I was there.
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I'm sure Yankee fans would still rather have that bastard Johnny Damon.
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We would have liked to have Damon back..........for the right price.
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Me too. I will miss his bat. His fielding.............................meh, not so much.
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I'd be shocked if these guys juiced:

John Olerud
Edgar Martinez
Larry Walker
Todd Helton
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Old 08-17-2010, 09:07 AM   #34
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I wanna say Vlad too but honestly it wouldn't. I hope he's clean though.
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OH YEAH Carlos Delgado. Definitely think he's clean.

Hope he gets into the Hall one day, but I dunno if he will.
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This next Hall of Fame ballot is going to be real interesting. Lot of maybes in the clean and dirty lists of 1st time players.

Clean:
Jeff Bagwell*
Bret Boone*
John Franco
Al Leiter
Tino Martinez
John Olerud
Larry Walker



Dirty:
Kevin Brown
Juan Gonzalez
Rafael Palmeiro
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This next Hall of Fame ballot is going to be real interesting. Lot of maybes in the clean and dirty lists of 1st time players.

Clean:
Jeff Bagwell*
Bret Boone*
John Franco
Al Leiter
Tino Martinez
John Olerud
Larry Walker



Dirty:
Kevin Brown
Juan Gonzalez
Rafael Palmeiro
I'll vote "Dirty" for Bret Boone....Not that he is a Hall of Fame talent anyways. From his debut in 1992 through 1997, he totaled 62 home runs. Over his next 7 years (coincidentally during the main juicing years in the late 90's and early 2000s), he totaled 183 home runs. After baseball started cracking down, Boone quickly fizzled out and only hit 14 more homers in his career.
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I feel like Delgado will get Fred McGriffed, or if he does get in, will probably wait around like Jim Rice. Its a shame though, because Delgado was one of the most feared hitters in the league for a good 8-10 years.

And I don't think anyone from next years list goes in first ballot (because, you know, baseball writers have a stick up theirass for not putting people in on the first ballot). Bagwell and Franco have an outside shot of getting in at some point.

And of course, Raffy would have made it if not for the roids
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Hope Larry Walker gets in eventually but he's gonna get screwed by the mile high effect. But he was a great player long before he went to Colorado
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