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Old 05-15-2004, 02:09 PM   #1
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oh Kane Knight

thanks for the bad rep. Why cause I spoke my mind?

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Old 05-15-2004, 02:30 PM   #2
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thanks for the bad rep. Why cause I spoke my mind?

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No, because (To borrow from Ferocious), "you spoke pure ass."

Here's a thought: Try thinking through your arguments, and then speak from your diaphragm, not your colon.
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Old 05-15-2004, 03:02 PM   #3
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thanks for the bad rep. Why cause I spoke my mind?

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John la Rock = Hypocrite.

You just repped me negatively the other day because I spoke my mind.
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Old 05-15-2004, 03:19 PM   #4
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John la Rock = Hypocrite.

You just repped me negatively the other day because I spoke my mind.
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Old 05-15-2004, 03:08 PM   #5
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Old 05-15-2004, 03:22 PM   #7
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Shit happens....

Yeah, cry about being martyred for speaking your mind when you neg rep people for the same.

OH BOO HOO HOO!

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Old 05-15-2004, 04:49 PM   #8
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You do know that the WWE is VINCE MCMAHON's Company. Not Paul Levesque's. Vince made the decision for the HHH/Booker T finish at Wrestlemania XIX. I hated the finish too but you can't blame HHH just because he was in the match. Vince has the final say on everything within the company.

I do think that HHH gets over critisized on the internet. He still is a decent worker and it doesn't help when you're feuding with Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, and Goldberg for most of 2003. My god Kurt Angle or Chris Benoit couldn't even help those useless ****ers in the ring. Have you seen his matches lately? They've been awesome!!!

I don't have any more time to waste with these arguments because I have better things to do. Bottom line is i'm a HHH fan and I'm proud of it
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Old 05-15-2004, 05:08 PM   #9
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You do know that the WWE is VINCE MCMAHON's Company. Not Paul Levesque's. Vince made the decision for the HHH/Booker T finish at Wrestlemania XIX. I hated the finish too but you can't blame HHH just because he was in the match. Vince has the final say on everything within the company.


Yes, the only person who has a say in the company is Vince McMahon. Despite the fact that you know, it's a corporation, vince doesn't make all the decisions personally, etc.

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I do think that HHH gets over critisized on the internet. He still is a decent worker and it doesn't help when you're feuding with Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, and Goldberg for most of 2003. My god Kurt Angle or Chris Benoit couldn't even help those useless ****ers in the ring. Have you seen his matches lately? They've been awesome!!!
Awesome? Triple H can be carried to a good match, bt that is far from making him still a good worker.

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I don't have any more time to waste with these arguments because I have better things to do. Bottom line is i'm a HHH fan and I'm proud of it
Blah blah blah. I ranted, I cried, and now that someone is ripping me a new asshole, I'm gonna go pretend to have a life. Bottom line, I'm a triple H fan, so EVERYTHING anyone else says about him will be invalid.
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Old 05-15-2004, 05:22 PM   #10
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Have you seen his matches lately? They've been awesome!!!

Sorry man, I'm gonna have to go against you on this one. His matches have been awesome lately because he's been working with guys who work so hard they are capable of carrying him.

Backlash
Benoit and Shawn Michaels. Benoit has always been one hell of a worker and Michaels has been busting his ass the past few months. The weak link in this match was HHH

WMXX
Benoit and Shawn Michaels...same as above.

Royal Rumble
Shawn Michaels. This match was IMO, but its saving grace was Michaels, not HHH.

Raw
Tajiri. Good match. Not necessarily an awesome match. Saving grace: ...are you getting the picture yet?

Shelton Benjamin I & II. I've got two words for this: COME ON!!! I think there's a pattern here.

Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that HHH has been riding their coat tails...he could have been pulling some of his own weight there too, but there's no real telling that for sure. Based on the past two years, though, I'm guessing he's just using good wrestlers to make himself look good.
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Old 05-15-2004, 05:41 PM   #11
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Sorry man, I'm gonna have to go against you on this one. His matches have been awesome lately because he's been working with guys who work so hard they are capable of carrying him.

Backlash
Benoit and Shawn Michaels. Benoit has always been one hell of a worker and Michaels has been busting his ass the past few months. The weak link in this match was HHH

WMXX
Benoit and Shawn Michaels...same as above.

Royal Rumble
Shawn Michaels. This match was IMO, but its saving grace was Michaels, not HHH.

Raw
Tajiri. Good match. Not necessarily an awesome match. Saving grace: ...are you getting the picture yet?

Shelton Benjamin I & II. I've got two words for this: COME ON!!! I think there's a pattern here.

Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that HHH has been riding their coat tails...he could have been pulling some of his own weight there too, but there's no real telling that for sure. Based on the past two years, though, I'm guessing he's just using good wrestlers to make himself look good.
You make some good points. I know Kane Knight or whoever will bash me for being a hypocrite but whatever. It's true that HHH has been working with probly the best in ring wrestlers in the WWE who are all better than him in the ring, but HHH can still work a good match.
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Old 05-15-2004, 09:40 PM   #12
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You make some good points. I know Kane Knight or whoever will bash me for being a hypocrite but whatever. It's true that HHH has been working with probly the best in ring wrestlers in the WWE who are all better than him in the ring, but HHH can still work a good match.
Can you give some examples where HHH worked (As opposed to being carried to) a good match?
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Old 05-15-2004, 05:02 PM   #13
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I suppose I coulda said all that in the first place instead of neg repping you, but I've seen the same moronic argument for like 2 years now, it hasn't changed, only the idiots who spout it.

You're pent up and frustrated that wrestling's been doing bad, and you want to blame someone...But wrestling isn't the one at fault...It's those damn follower smarks...Why can we just like what we're told to like and not be critical of boring roid freaks? Oh, the humanity!

Sorry, folks. Us "Smarks" (Moronic term) are speaking what we perceive to be the truth. This is no more or less valid than anyone else's opinion, though some people are generally more informed than others, and some people actually put thought into their ranting. When the WWE does something right, we still get excited. It's just that all of us, for one reason or another, are not happy with the current product. A lot of us agree on a few key points...We disagree on other points (Just look at the Orton/anti-orton issues around here).

As was pointed out, when wrestling was doing well, almost nobody was criticising the WWF. Was it because all the smarks were followers? No. It was because wrestling was actually something worth watching at the time, every week, every show, come Hell or High Water. They had tons of fans basically waving money at them.

Now, they don't. Their ratings are lower, I doubt they can move merchandise as well (and I know that they can't get it out in as many retail locations as before), and wrestling has lost its pop appeal, too. Vince and co need to turn the mirror on themselves, and take a long look at the egos and bad business decisions that are really to blame here.

And idiots like you need to stop saying "U guyz were all ovr tripul h in 2K!!!!!!!!!" Because he's a different person now. He's not putting on entertaining matches, he's not the worker he used to be, and he's stagnating at the top. And I was careful not to bring Stephanie into this, because I'm speaking purely from a view of the effect on the entertainment. Whether he's got an in because he's sleeping with the boss' daughter or because he's sleeping with the boss himsel,f or because he promised his soul to satan, I don't care, because it's still boring me. It's boring a lot of people. Hey, that might be a problem.

Now, his authority probably comes with his relationship with Steph. People talking about Trips holding people down have a legitimate gripe, even if sometimes blown out of proportion. However, when people bitch about how people liked him in 2000, it becomes massively stupid.
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Old 05-15-2004, 05:27 PM   #14
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It should be a no-brainer that the talent of Shelton Benjamin carried those matches.

Emphasis on should.
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Old 05-16-2004, 04:04 AM   #15
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look at tucsonspeed6's post and the HHH matches he mentioned. He worked good in every match IMO but I know you'll say different
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Old 05-16-2004, 04:12 AM   #16
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remember asshole it takes 2 to make a good match
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Old 05-16-2004, 08:07 PM   #17
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remember asshole it takes 2 to make a good match
Yet in a previous post yousaid he was working with better wrestlers to make himself look good.

Remember, retard, a quality worker can make a bad one look good. As tusconspeed6's post illustrates.

Remove head from ass, then try using it (Your head, not your ass) when posting.
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Old 05-16-2004, 08:36 PM   #18
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Yet in a previous post yousaid he was working with better wrestlers to make himself look good.

Remember, retard, a quality worker can make a bad one look good. As tusconspeed6's post illustrates.

Remove head from ass, then try using it (Your head, not your ass) when posting.
I'll remember that. I seem to have forgot that only assholes like yourself can be right.

Thanks smart ass.
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Old 05-16-2004, 10:07 PM   #19
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Yet in a previous post yousaid he was working with better wrestlers to make himself look good.
I did? hmm I just said that he's been working with wrestlers that are better in ring workers than him. I never say he did it to make him look good But if HHH is shit like you say. His matches with Shelton, HBK, Benoit) would have all sucked. So if Chris Benoit wrestled Nathan Jones the match would still have been good cause Benoit can carry Jones? I doubt it
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Old 05-16-2004, 10:57 PM   #20
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I did? hmm I just said that he's been working with wrestlers that are better in ring workers than him. I never say he did it to make him look good But if HHH is shit like you say. His matches with Shelton, HBK, Benoit) would have all sucked. So if Chris Benoit wrestled Nathan Jones the match would still have been good cause Benoit can carry Jones? I doubt it
The true reflection of a wrestler's talent is in their ability to make anyone look good.

Even Benoit/Angle/Hart/etc. couldn't carry jones to a FIVE STAR FIVE STAR BAH GAWD FIVE STAR MATCH!!!!!! A good wrestler, however, can carry a bad wrestler to a good match. Hell, after weeks of Batista sucking, Tajiri managed to make his win look pretty damn decent.
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The true reflection of a wrestler's talent is in their ability to make anyone look good.

Even Benoit/Angle/Hart/etc. couldn't carry jones to a FIVE STAR FIVE STAR BAH GAWD FIVE STAR MATCH!!!!!! A good wrestler, however, can carry a bad wrestler to a good match. Hell, after weeks of Batista sucking, Tajiri managed to make his win look pretty damn decent.
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Old 05-16-2004, 04:22 AM   #22
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Four months worth of good matches doesn't erase the last two years. Triple H was the most impressive heel and arguably the best worker in the company in 1999-2000. He isn't right now. Hasn't been for a while. And continuing to wrap the entire product around him hurts the WWE at times.
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Old 05-16-2004, 06:03 PM   #23
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Four months worth of good matches doesn't erase the last two years. Triple H was the most impressive heel and arguably the best worker in the company in 1999-2000. He isn't right now. Hasn't been for a while. And continuing to wrap the entire product around him hurts the WWE at times.
I think the reason that HHH isn't as good as he used to be is because of his quad injury. It really slowed him down and it took him awhile to find his groove back. I think he's getting much better as of late and in a couple of months time he will be back to being the great worker that he once was.
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Old 05-16-2004, 07:21 AM   #24
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Old 05-16-2004, 06:40 PM   #25
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Oh ya HHH did beat RVD with a DDT but it was on the entrance ramp (not in the ring) and the DDT looked pretty vicious if I remember.

Also Randy Orton also beat RVD with a DDT that looked like RVD broke his neck.
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Old 05-16-2004, 06:49 PM   #26
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Oh ya HHH did beat RVD with a DDT but it was on the entrance ramp (not in the ring) and the DDT looked pretty vicious if I remember.

Also Randy Orton also beat RVD with a DDT that looked like RVD broke his neck.
Well all I'm gonna say is that entrance-ramp DDT didn't save TRiple H from putting RVD in a leg lock and getting a huge "BORING!" chant from the crwod earlier in that match. Trips' matches have been getting better, but that might not necessarily be because of him, but because of the guys he's been working with.
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I remember for about two months last year Triple H kept beating people with a sleeper hold.
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Old 05-16-2004, 08:28 PM   #28
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I remember for about two months last year Triple H kept beating people with a sleeper hold.
Funny cause I don't remember
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I don't think that it made RVD look weak
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Only assholes like myself can be right?



Don't be a moron. Try and think a little bit here. You're basically trying to argue two different and contradictory points, then martyring yourself with some bullshit "Oh, you always have to be right" line.
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Old 05-16-2004, 08:48 PM   #31
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What are you my psychiatrist or something? **** off
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Old 05-16-2004, 08:58 PM   #32
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No, just someone who's seen enough stupid arguments to know when bullshit comes around.

nice defense though. You can't actually defend your point, so you hide behind little diversionary tactics. You can't defend your point because you were stupid enough to argue it after you contradicted it. If you're stupid enough to think taht your failure to defend your stance translates into me never being able to be wrong, you're a total idiot.

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Old 05-16-2004, 09:15 PM   #33
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You're welcome ass.

next time I'll know better than to speak my mind about something. Have fun wasting your time analyzing somebody else's thoughts because he has a different opinion than you.

Get a ****ing life
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Old 05-16-2004, 09:08 PM   #34
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Blah. HHH was a good wrestler before the quad injury. Now...he just sucks. That's the bottom line.
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Old 05-16-2004, 09:20 PM   #35
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Again, you're making this out into a witch hunt.

Try and get this through your microscopic brain...

It's not that you're speaking your mind...

It's that you're unable to support your idiotic statements, and have to fall back on "Get a life," which of course shows your masterful debating skills.

It's not different opinions that are the problem. It's people who are too stupid to actually formulate a thought.

Try and understand at least this little piece of what I'm saying, even if everything else is too advanced for you.
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I do support my statements, that's something you can't seem to realize
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I do support my statements, that's something you can't seem to realize
I realize you're trying to. That doesn't mean you're doing it effectively, or at all, something you don't seem to realize.
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I'm trying to ****ing say that HHH is over critisized by the internet, that he didn't bury people (unlike what most "smarks" say) and that he can still work a good match (even though he wasn't as good as he used to be, probly cause of his quad)
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I'm trying to ****ing say that HHH is over critisized by the internet, that he didn't bury people (unlike what most "smarks" say) and that he can still work a good match (even though he wasn't as good as he used to be, probly cause of his quad)
Except overcriticism is subjective based on how much you like him, whether or not he can bury people is something you can't really prove any more than the "Smarks" can, and you contradicted yourself on the whole "working a good match" argument.

Other than that, you're doing good. Basically, if you remove your core three arguments, you're batting a thousand.
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my statements are "idiotic" why? cause I'm in favour of HHH? I'm trying to plead my case that it's Vince's FINAL decision on everything, including matches.

Bottom line is: if you wanna blame someone on Triple H "hogging" the spotlight, blame Vince McMahon not HHH.
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