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Old 12-09-2010, 02:29 PM   #1
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If the Yankees don't get Lee, is the winter meetings a bust for them?
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I think so. They signed Jeter and Rivera.
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O's aquire J.J. Hardy, Brendan Harris, and $500k from Twins for relivers Jim Hoey and Brett Jacobson.

Melky Cabrera to the Royals. 1-year, $1.25 mil.

Miguel Olivio goes to the Mariners. 2-years, $7 mil.
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O's aquire J.J. Hardy, Brendan Harris, and $500k from Twins for relivers Jim Hoey and Brett Jacobson.

Melky Cabrera to the Royals. 1-year, $1.25 mil.

Miguel Olivio goes to the Mariners. 2-years, $7 mil.
JJ Hardy had a couple of good years in Milwaukee, maybe he'll rebound after a couple of off years.
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I have a good feeling about the Orioles in 2011. I'm not saying they'll go to the playoffs and all, but I do believe it's possible for them to win 80+ games.
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Red Sox are the frontrunners for Russell Martin.

Now I think Epstein is trying to piss off us Yankee fans.
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Yankees 7 year offer for Lee is actually worth less money per year than the 6-year deal and it is rumored the Rangers were able to match the original offer for Lee in cash amount. If the Rangers can match a 7th year, it might force the Yankees to pay more for Lee to boost him to a $23.33 - $25 million per year since now the Angels officially joined the bidding.

Owners furious at both Yankees and Red Sox and might actually change the luxury tax to a lower threshold and higher rates. Most of the bigger market owners are less furious since they know both teams can afford to toss the cash but worry about another split occurring where its Yankees/ Red Sox, then rest of big markets, then everyone else.
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By that I mean The Mets are the kings of laughably bad contracts on their hands, but having lots of money to get away with it.
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By that I mean The Mets are the kings of laughably bad contracts on their hands, but having lots of money to get away with it.
Just saying, paying $22 million a year for an outfielder who relies on speed or a pitcher who is pushing 40 might look bad down the line.

I'm excited about the prospect of clearing off the Mets' bad contracts, but I don't expect Alderson to blow all $55 million next offseason. Especially since the free agent class next year is godawful outside of Pujols and Fielder.

I think Alderson's actually gonna try and use the Red Sox' recent model of success, especially when it comes to having a farm system that is so stacked that it allows them to make a big trade when necessary. It all starts with the farm.
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Just saying, paying $22 million a year for an outfielder who relies on speed or a pitcher who is pushing 40 might look bad down the line.

I'm excited about the prospect of clearing off the Mets' bad contracts, but I don't expect Alderson to blow all $55 million next offseason. Especially since the free agent class next year is godawful outside of Pujols and Fielder.

I think Alderson's actually gonna try and use the Red Sox' recent model of success, especially when it comes to having a farm system that is so stacked that it allows them to make a big trade when necessary. It all starts with the farm.
Crawford is a bit overpaid but not grossly. But it's also a price he was going to get given what Werth got from the Nats.
Contract amounts are always respective to what is going in at the time. That's just where the prices are at for a hot free agent. You can't compare it to contracts from the past.

It's also not like they're putting all their eggs in his basket. He's just one outfielder.

The Red Sox have a lot of money but they are usually pretty smart with it. It's a major, longterm acquisition.

Like you said, the free agent crop in the next few years looks bad. The Red Sox are in desperate need of reloading. These are more replacements than additions.
Manny is gone, which left a huge hole. So that's where A-Gon's bat comes in.
Varitek, Ortiz, JD Drew and others are on their way out.
Stocking up to make sure they have some major bats, an outfield, and a catcher is important.
It also keeps players away from other teams, namely the Yankees.
On the whole I think it's all great moves.

Also, since when was 32 years old "pushing 40"? I assume you're talking about Cliff Lee.
32 is a decent age for a pitcher, especially one that isn't reliant on flamethrowing. His best years are likely ahead of him. And a 7 year deal lands him at 39 years old when it's expired.
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Adding Crawford and Gonzalez to a lineup that already has Youkilis, Drew, Ortiz, and Pedroia could very well make for a line-up that'll be even better than the one the Red Sox had when Manny was in Boston.
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Also, since when was 32 years old "pushing 40"? I assume you're talking about Cliff Lee.
32 is a decent age for a pitcher, especially one that isn't reliant on flamethrowing. His best years are likely ahead of him. And a 7 year deal lands him at 39 years old when it's expired.
I was referring to the end of the deal when he'll be making $22 million or so in his late 30's. It's crazy money to invest especially since they have Sabathia for 5 more years also at similar money.
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Just saying, paying $22 million a year for an outfielder who relies on speed or a pitcher who is pushing 40 might look bad down the line.

I'm excited about the prospect of clearing off the Mets' bad contracts, but I don't expect Alderson to blow all $55 million next offseason. Especially since the free agent class next year is godawful outside of Pujols and Fielder.

I think Alderson's actually gonna try and use the Red Sox' recent model of success, especially when it comes to having a farm system that is so stacked that it allows them to make a big trade when necessary. It all starts with the farm.
I wouldn't say all that I think Nick Swisher is a free agent next year and he's been doing real good for us. I wish the Yankees would just sign Cliff Lee all ready. I am starting to get extremely worried. Would you mind taking another look at the 2012 free agents? I know they are not all gonna be free agents but at least half of these guys are really good.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/0...ee-agents.html

I admit that it's not the best but if you look through there it's not all god awful. The catching free agents is pretty god awful but other then that it's not so bad.
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I wouldn't say all that I think Nick Swisher is a free agent next year and he's been doing real good for us. I wish the Yankees would just sign Cliff Lee all ready. I am starting to get extremely worried. Would you mind taking another look at the 2012 free agents? I know they are not all gonna be free agents but at least half of these guys are really good.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/0...ee-agents.html

I admit that it's not the best but if you look through there it's not all god awful. The catching free agents is pretty god awful but other then that it's not so bad.
Half of those guys are really good? Are we reading the same list?
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Half of those guys are really good? Are we reading the same list?
Let's see Jonathon Papelbon: He's still a good closer he is just going through a rough time.

Nick Swisher he has been doing real well on the Yankees.

Robinson Cano : See Nick Swisher.

Prince Fielder: No question

Albert Pujols: No question

Joel Zumaya: He's a very good reliever. But, the problem is he is also very injury prone.

Grady Sizemore: I still think he's a very good Center Fielder.

Jonathon Broxton: I think he's doing quite good as closer for the Dodgers.

Adrian Gonzales: Real good first baseman but is probably just months away from getting a extension by the Red Sox.

Okay maybe not half the list but that's a good 9 people who are real good.







I am really starting to worry the Yankees are in such a corner that we need Cliff Lee. I don't wanna see how our season will be without some other big pitcher. With AJ Burnett maybe or maybe not pitching better next year and Andy maybe retiring.
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If the Red Sox had "paid up" when everyone expected it, they'd have Bay in left and Texiera at first.
Now it's Crawford and Gonzalez.

Perhaps a couple frustrating offseasons and "rebuilding years" were worth it. I'm ecstatic about these changes, and how long they'll last.
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Initially, I really wasn't a fan of signing Crawford, because I wanted a big bat. I didn't think there was a chance of them getting both.
I was dead set on landing A-Gon or an analagous power hitter, and thought Crawford would be underwhelming under the assumption that they'd only make one major acquisition.
Now I dig it. But I think seeing what A-Gon does is attraction A.
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The Yankees absolutely have to get Cliff Lee. If they lose out on him, you can officially say the Yankees are not the "empire" anymore. The mystique about "being a Yankee" isn't the same as it used to be, anyway.
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The Yankees absolutely have to get Cliff Lee. If they lose out on him, you can officially say the Yankees are not the "empire" anymore. The mystique about "being a Yankee" isn't the same as it used to be, anyway.
This. How quickly people forget that the Yankees had to overpay Sabathia to come here, which is normal for the Yankees but overpay in the we know we have the best offer but here's more money please come here sense as well as give him an opt out clause
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They still need a 1B, a SP and a closer.
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Buck Showalter's their manager, he'll have them ready.

The last 3 teams Showalter has managed, have gone to the World Series after he manages them a couple seasons and leaves. He left the Yankees, and they went to the World Series in '96 (and won). Then he managed the D'backs, left, and they went to the Series in 2001 (and won). And then he managed the Rangers, left, and they just went to the Series this year. The guy knows what he does. It can't be all a coincidence.
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Not sure the fact that every team he leaves go to the WS is a good thing or something to praise him for.
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Not sure the fact that every team he leaves go to the WS is a good thing or something to praise him for.
He must do something right. He lays the groundwork, so to speak. Only thing is, he never gets to enjoy first-hand the fruits of his labor. He takes the team when it's down, rebuilds it, teaches the fundamentals of playing baseball.
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Hopefully they'll have him completely checked out, cause his back last year was an issue. Maybe it was just something that won't be an issue for the rest of his career, but better safe than sorry. The last thing the Yankees want is to get caught up in the whole "we have to sign Cliff Lee" deal, get him signed, and then have him have problems with injuries for most of the contract.
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It's outrageous money for Cliff Lee, but I agree that it is something they have to do.
Yea some of these decisions go beyond the field too. Signing A-Gon and Crawford was definitely a talent decision to boost the on-field product, but there's also no question that the Red Sox were looking to rejuvinate the brand. And it pisses off the Yanks, just like getting Texiera or A-Rod did the Sox.

And the Yankees will probably give Lee way more now so that they don't go down without a response.
That's sort of just how these things work. There's pride involved, and a fanbase.

By the time Cliff Lee is older, his contract probably won't even be huge anymore.
These things grow exponentially every year.
If Pujols goes on the market next year he's making over 200 mill.
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Reds extend Jay Bruce for 6 years, $51 million
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Love this. Fantastic contract. Also have a club option for a 7th year @ $12 million.
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The Justin Upton special. Nice one for Cincy.
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Pujols on the market should be interesting next year with three of the bigger teams in the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies out of it.

No doubt he'll get his money no matter what but I'm definitely curious how having 3 of the highest spenders out of it will be.
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He looks like "The Enforcer" Arn Anderson.
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To be honest, I'm worried about the Mets' ability to re-sign Reyes next year if he goes back to 2008 form. When Reyes is on he and Crawford are extremely similar. Add that to the fact that he's a shortstop and the price could be huge. Alderson doesn't want to spend the money all in one place so it's entirely possible he leaves.

Of course, if the Mets are out of it at the deadline and Reyes is having a great year, trading him is a very real possibility.
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Scott Downs to the Angels. 3 years, $15 million. They will surrender a first round pick to the Blue Jays as a result.
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Moreno had to do something. I guess going after the best reliever out there is one way to calm your fanbase.
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Apparently, there seems to be a hiccup to the Jason Bartlett trade. Rays are getting second medical opinions on the 1 or both of the 2 minor leaguers they recieved from the Padres.

Could the Mike Lowell debacle all over again.
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I wonder why many of the big free agents don't wanna play for the Angels.
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The Lee sweepstakes down to just the Rangers and Yankees since everyone else pulled out.

As of right now, Yankees offering 7 years and around $140 million while Rangers offering 6 years but almost matching the $140 million on their main bid. If one of the Texas owners decides to open up the check book to give more millions, Lee joins the Rangers without a doubt since Lee isn't upset at the deal having 1 year less.

Right now its up to Texas to decide to offer more money since Lee is leaning towards the Rangers while Yankees not increasing their money offer beyond $140-$150 million.
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