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Old 06-01-2014, 01:43 PM   #1
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Marry - Batista. Get me some of that Guardians of the Galaxy money!

Fuck - Randy. Because fuck Randy.

Kill - Triple H. No real reason. He's just the last one left. Almost did Marry for him, but his family business is losing money like crazy.
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Marry- Triple H. This means you're part of the most important family in wrestling history.
Fuck- Batista. He seems like a gentle lover.
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Old 06-03-2014, 08:37 PM   #4
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Old 06-11-2014, 04:18 AM   #7
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Cena - Only because of Bryan's injury status, the teasing done 2 weeks ago, and him always being WWE's fallback choice whenever something goes wrong.

Bray Wyatt - Gets added as a way to try to foil Cena and stretch out their feud for a bit longer before Bray moves on.

Brock Lesnar - Treat him as the surprise entrant to the point he only gets revealed well into the match itself with Heyman proclaiming his client has arrived. Also can be used to segue into the rumored Lesnar-Bryan feud once Bryan returns assuming Lesnar takes the title.


Had Sandow not been stuck with the random weekly comedic filler thing, he'd replace Lesnar's spot. Would treat as him wanting redemption for the injustice of his foiled cash in the year before.
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He wanted to have copious amounts of sex with the McMahon family (Steph, Paul, Shane, Vince, and of course, Linda)
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:59 PM   #10
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He knew Evolution would never give up until The Shield were gone, so he joined them.
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Was promised the ownership of Triple H's Sledgehammer of Destiny to help him dismantle the House of Shield.
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Old 06-04-2014, 10:53 PM   #12
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Cayse's rant on Rollins is exactly why I stopped watching wrestling. I just. couldn't. take. the nonsense anymore.

As for the QotW: "Rollins is going to turn on them next week like Bryan did to the Wyatts."
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Old 06-04-2014, 11:34 PM   #13
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He probably thought Reigns being the chosen one in The Shield was the biggest injustice there was. So, he took Batista spot in Evolution after curb-stomping him out of the WWE at the PPV.
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Old 06-05-2014, 05:21 AM   #14
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Yeah, it makes complete sense to become enraged at something that may happen. It makes sense to end The Shield now and keep Rollins in a stable. What is left for The Shield to do? Reigns is ready for his push and Ambrose will be fine on his own. Rollins still needs some work and letting him work with main eventers and a different type of heel will help flesh him out until he is ready fly solo. From Rollins standpoint, he has busted his ass to keep The Shield together and yet he is still perceived as the 3rd in the hierarchy and why keep fighting what you can't truly defeat? Rollins found the greatest injustice worth fighting for was him not becoming the breakout star of The Shield. FFS if you overthink every heel/face turn in wrestling history, they'll never make sense. The whole point of turning a guy is to give a dramatic and major shift/change in their character.
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So, he goes from 3rd in the hierarchy of the Shield to 3rd in the hierarchy of Evolution. That's a pretty lateral move, if not a step back - since the two guys ahead of him are multiple-time World Champions.
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Old 06-05-2014, 05:42 PM   #16
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How is being associated with a group of world champions a lateral move?
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Old 06-05-2014, 05:43 PM   #17
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In theory, his motivation is that he is going to reap what Batista wasn't patient enough to get.
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In theory, his motivation is that he is going to reap what Batista wasn't patient enough to get.
Still doesn't make sense. H had this "plan B" before Batista walked out on Evolution, so Seth wouldn't have made the deal expecting anything related to Batista's position.
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Still doesn't make sense. H had this "plan B" before Batista walked out on Evolution, so Seth wouldn't have made the deal expecting anything related to Batista's position.
Recruiting Rollins could have been an "in case Batista leaves" plan.
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"Heyuuuuuh Seth, if you join Evolution, I will give you Dave's spot. Not just his spot in the group, but all the spots in matches where you get to take a nap while Randy and myself bump all over the building. You also get access to Papa Smurf's ring gear."
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Joining Evolution makes sense. Why keep fighting if even when you beat the shit out of them you still don't "win"? Especially when you were the guy working so hard to keep the group from falling apart to begin with. Batista leaving was just the last thing needed to convince Rollins to make the switch because now Evolution needs a 3rd man and more desperate than ever and willing to offer him even more.
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Joining Evolution makes sense. Why keep fighting if even when you beat the shit out of them you still don't "win"? Especially when you were the guy working so hard to keep the group from falling apart to begin with. Batista leaving was just the last thing needed to convince Rollins to make the switch because now Evolution needs a 3rd man and more desperate than ever and willing to offer him even more.
And...you think The Shield had any intentions of backing down? Do you not recall that is was The Shield who requested this Payback match? The Shield has been willing to go toe-to-toe with anyone, anytime, anywhere. They do win. They did win. They effectively disassembled Evolution by frustrating Triple H so much that he drove Batista away. That is the End of Evolution. That is The Shield winning.

The fact that Batista left couldn't have had anything to do with Rollins joing because, again, H said that Plan B was in the works before Batista quit, which meant that Rollins was already going to join.

Oh, and none of this actually explains Rollins' motivation.
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Do seriously expect WWE to have Rollins and HHH reveal some convoluted master plan? Why is selling out for power and money not good enough motivation? Why keep fighting a war you can't win? Booker T's reasoning on the post show was perfect enough for the story.
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Do seriously expect WWE to have Rollins and HHH reveal some convoluted master plan? Why is selling out for power and money not good enough motivation? Why keep fighting a war you can't win? Booker T's reasoning on the post show was perfect enough for the story.
Because selling out for power and money is fucking BORING. That is, quite easily, the laziest and least interesting way to have a character shift.

And like I said in the 'cast, it runs completely counter to what we've seen of Rollins' character-- "Hey, you know all that stuff I said and did to show that I was the guy always willing to put my life on the line for the group and our cause? Turns out all that was a lie and I was just a greedy asshole all along. Though really if all I was looking for was money and power I wouldn't have left the Authority in the first fucking place but hey, who needs sensible motivations?"

And no, joining Evolution doesn't 'make sense' if you've already beaten them to the point where one of them walks out. WWE's nebulously complicated authority-figure structure means that Trips wouldn't be able to just fire the Shield without Vince or the Board of Directors or whoever the fuck coming out to overturn it (and if he could just can them, he would've done it as soon as they turned on him). And they've annihilated every goon squad Trips has thrown at them. So again, why jump ship right when you're winning to be the lowest man on a totem pole that you're already chopping down?
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Do seriously expect WWE to have Rollins and HHH reveal some convoluted master plan? Why is selling out for power and money not good enough motivation? Why keep fighting a war you can't win? Booker T's reasoning on the post show was perfect enough for the story.
Yes, I expect the biggest wrestling company in the country to have a writing staff.

Power and money isn't good enough motivation because it runs against Rollins' character.

They did win the war.

Booker T hasn't been interesting since he split from Goldust and post-shows don't matter.
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Power and money does work. You are just being difficult. I get this isn't what you wanted, but it really isn't bad. Ambrose and Reigns are already ready for singles runs and Rollins needs a it of work. Putting him with Trips works. And as I said on the podcast, if he came out and was like "Triple H gave me a million dollars and a future title shot," I would buy it and it would make sense. Also, If Rollins truly believes he's a master group architect, why wouldn't he wants to form an alliance with two of the Kayfabe best guys in the company? Not to mention he's got a guy with power on his side now. It works. You just aren't letting it work.
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Power and money does work. You are just being difficult. I get this isn't what you wanted, but it really isn't bad.
No, Narc. The guys who have been thrashing the 'power and money' characters would not suddenly change to become one. It just doesn't make sense.

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I don't think he needs any real work, but that has nothing to do with not having a logical reason for him to turn on them for the losing team.

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Putting him with Trips works. And as I said on the podcast, if he came out and was like "Triple H gave me a million dollars and a future title shot," I would buy it and it would make sense.
Teaming him with the guy his current team has soundly embarrassed twice in a row...works. How, exactly? Nobody has said anything about title shots or monetary gifts -- which, again, wouldn't be enticing to the character who was all about brotherhood and solidarity over authoritarianism -- so, how does it actually work?

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Because he's already on the team THAT HAS DESTROYED THOSE GUYS TWICE IN A ROW. It does not make sense.

What does being an "architect" even have to do with that? How does being the core of The Shield benefit him when working with two guys who have been working together for so long, now? All H has to do is tell Randy he wants an apology, and Orton immediately gets on his knees, so what does Rollins have to do with their relationship?

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Again, having a guy "with power" on his side...who he has soundly gone up against and defeated TWICE IN A ROW. He has not been afraid to go up against authority...but now he suddenly wants to buddy up with the authority figure...even though said authority figure has been unable to stop oppressed talent from winning championships?

Just because we're pointing out how illogical this is doesn't mean that we're the reason it isn't logical.
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No, Narc. The guys who have been thrashing the 'power and money' characters would not suddenly change to become one. It just doesn't make sense.
The guy in charge that he was thrashing has decided he can't beat him so he's used his money and power to get him to "join the dark side" and fight FOR him. Rollins once stood for justice and now he's a sellout turning on his friends to do what's best for himself. It's a wrestling heel turn. Ever seen one?
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Rollins took the money from the Authority before. Why is it that hard to believe that he came back to it?
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... You're asking why a pro wrestling character would become evil and corrupt. Jesus Christ.
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And it's that sort or dismissive attitude that is why WWE will never have consistent internal logic in their storytelling. No other fiction medium gets this response. If midway through Episode VII, Han Solo - former smuggler and overall scoundrel-turned-hero of the Rebellion that overthrew the Empire - decided to shoot Luke and Chewie and align himself with the regional governor holding on to the last vestige of Imperial power for no reason other than "he paid me more than Mon Mothma," people would be fucking furious and calling for JJ's head.

Yet, because it's pro wrestling "... You're asking why a pro wrestling character would become evil and corrupt. Jesus Christ." is somehow a "winning" argument.
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And it's that sort or dismissive attitude that is why WWE will never have consistent internal logic in their storytelling. No other fiction medium gets this response. If midway through Episode VII, Han Solo - former smuggler and overall scoundrel-turned-hero of the Rebellion that overthrew the Empire - decided to shoot Luke and Chewie and align himself with the regional governor holding on to the last vestige of Imperial power for no reason other than "he paid me more than Mon Mothma," people would be fucking furious and calling for JJ's head.

Yet, because it's pro wrestling "... You're asking why a pro wrestling character would become evil and corrupt. Jesus Christ." is somehow a "winning" argument.
Fuck just pro wrestling. What form of entertainment DOESN'T feature good guys becoming corrupt and turning evil. How is this such an insane fucking concept!? lol

Hulk Hogan was the greatest good guy wrestling had ever seen. He had everything he could have possibly wanted and he became evil and corrupt. Did that drive you as nuts?

Rollins wasn't even that far removed from being a heel henchman for the authority, FFS. How is it so hard to buy him turning his back on his friends and turning into a selfish prick for money and power? Something just about every wrestler has done at some point in the history of the business to keep stories and characters progressing.
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Rollins did not need work, in my opinion.... he was fantastic as a face, and I think he had easily become #2 in the hierarchy, possibly on his way to becoming #1 in the eyes of the fans. He had that Daniel Bryan-esque "frenzy" about him that the fans really got behind, and top that off with his crazy dives....

I have a wild conspiracy theory that they chose to turn him heel now, so that he wouldn't gain even more steam and outshine their chosen one Roman Reigns.
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Hulk Hogan's heel turn probably would have driven him nuts if he had fought Scott Hall and Kevin Nash for two months beforehand, having brutal battles that he won decisively.
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Hogan's heel turn was completely logical.

He had everything. He was the conquering hero. He was adored by millions. Except the boos were starting to creep in. The old-school fans hated him, because he brought up-north Sports Entertainment down and replaced their Wrasslin with it. He'd driven out their favorites and replaced them with his.

Now, suddenly, here are are these fresh new faces. Young blood, hungry for a shot they feel like they never got. They want to upset the status quo and they want to take over. If Hulk hitches his wagon to them, he's the megastar again. He's the draw. He can make the rules, and if the fans are going to boo him, he's gonna give em something to fucking boo!

Add to that the fact that Hall and Nash had soundly disrupted every broadcast they'd been a part of. Everyone who'd stood in their way had been demolished. If Hogan and his pals couldn't beat them, why not join them?

Now, imagine that story the exact opposite and you have a pretty close approximation of the Rollins heel turn.
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Hogan had his reasons to turn into the bad guy. Rolling had his.

He could stay as a member of a three man group winning matches but always being against the guys in charge and held back because of it...

Or he could break away on his own, join up with the authority and become the golden child of THE GUY WHO RUNS THE FUCKING COMPANY and make a shitload more money.

And he chose to do that. Because sometimes... in wrestling... good guys... turn bad...

Hogan was the ultimate good guy and when there were immoral things that came along that he could profit off of, he took them.

Rollins wasn't even that much of a good guy. He was freshly removed from being an evil fuck. And lo and behold, when the offer to turn his back and join the dark side for promises of money and the chance to be the "chosen one" of the owner of the company came up, he took it.
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And if that winds up being the story they tell, that's great. But right now it looks like he went from being the lackey for the evil corporation, eighth on the totem pole (behind Steph, Evolution, The demon Kane, Ambrose, and Reigns) doing their dirty work until he grew a conscience, keeping together the only group to put a chink in the Authority's armor, and positioning himself as a breakout star to... being a lackey for the evil corporation, sixth on the totem pole.

If this turns into a "this guy is the future of the business" story with Rollins getting unfair title shots and the like i.e. Corporate Rock (now with 70% less charisma!) then I may get onboard. As it stands now, he just looks like he went from being #3 in the stable that's consistently beating the powers that be to being just another henchman on the losing side.
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