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Old 05-31-2011, 11:43 PM   #1
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Sheamus and Swagger haven't developed into full time topliners because WWE have chosen that to be the case, not because they tried and failed with them. In the same way they choose to give certain guys 5 minutes to impress them as opposed to keeping them around and letting them grow. If they wanted to put the time and effort into making those guys bona fide stars, I have no doubt that they could and would do it. But they've clearly decided, for now at least for whatever reason, that that's not going to be the case for the 2 of them. And maybe rightly so, what they're doing now could and should serve as building blocks for these guys towards being 'the top guys' down the road after fleshing out their characters and making their way 'back up' although I'd say Sheamus is pretty much there, it'd only take a few weeks of 'favourable' booking creative wise for him to be a 'legit threat' (not seen him outside of his DBD match since he went to Smackdown so he might even be that now) The fact you listed Taker, Trips and HBK clearly means they know what to do and how to do it when they choose to.
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Old 06-02-2011, 11:15 AM   #2
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I think the product is pretty good right now, with Smackdown being the better show,though there are things I really like on RAW as well. The roster for the most part is one of the most talented there has been in the company's history. Great mid-card with Kofi, Danielson, Legacy, Ziggler, McIntyre, Masters, Ryder, Tatsu etc. and I like Cena holding the title as to me it means something when he holds it. The matches on Smackdown between Orton and Christian have been solid and the storyline is progressing well. Sin Cara and Rey Mysterio are exciting. CM Punk is one of the top heels in wrestling and should be the one pushed.

Some things I want to see change are the Bellas lose the divas title. I would like to see Beth Phoenix, Natalya, A.J. Lee, Eve and Kelly Kelly be the main attractions. Those are the only ones that really know what to do in the ring. You can criticize all you want, but Eve and Kelly Kelly are improving and try new moves every week. Melina can have a good match but more often than not it's a botchfest. I also don't like so much emphasis being placed on Del Rio and Miz as the two top guys for the future. There are other people that could fill that role better but I don't know who. I am not a fan of the Miz-Alex Riley feud. Though it is being executed perfectly, I would have liked Miz to be the face and I don't like either guy personally.
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Old 05-31-2011, 11:48 PM   #3
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I find myself wanting to be more productive and a little less anti-social so I'm sorta losing interest in WWE, I'd still watch RAW for now.. but I rather be elsewhere when watching.
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Old 06-01-2011, 01:24 AM   #4
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Frankly, the only show i'm actually enjoying on a week-to-week basis is Tough Enough. It makes for compelling television - Something which has you glued to a storyline, caring about the characters on the show.

I cannot say the same for a Raw or a Smackdown - maybe it's because i end up reading spoilers all the time (In India, we get all WWE programming a week late - so the only options are to either not read spoilers & be a week late, or watch Raw live via stream at 6:30am or later in the week).

I would say smartening up, or actually just reading wrestling news sites & forums has made me wane off watching regular programming, but i still enjoy things that i'm not aware of (like that Santino/Ryder match someone posted in the 100,000 thread / rewatching & enjoying old matches / etc)
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:17 AM   #5
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Here's my honest opinion on the matter even though it probably makes little sense: less people here would complain about WWE if WCW was still around or if TNA was a bigger company. Most of the negativity use to be directed at the other companies and rightfully so because when they screwed up it was usually way worse than anything WWE would do wrong.
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Old 06-01-2011, 02:07 PM   #6
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Here's my honest opinion on the matter even though it probably makes little sense: less people here would complain about WWE if WCW was still around or if TNA was a bigger company. Most of the negativity use to be directed at the other companies and rightfully so because when they screwed up it was usually way worse than anything WWE would do wrong.

not to steal X's thunder on this topic but this nails it. with no competition it makes alot of guys angry that they have to take what wwe gives them and that's that.

....and I guess i take a different approach to Cena. at this point in his career should be better st selling. this has less to do with booking than his in ring ability. Cena's storytelling is poor.

and to compare cm punk to xpac is very insulting. CM punk is vastly talented in the ring, out of the ring, on the mic, from a pr standpoint CM punk understands the business. X pac was none of that aside from he could do spots well in the ring

but i think X hit alot of good points. i think its important to be able to analyze the product since we are not the key demographic but some of the shit that is said here is a bitchfest
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:40 AM   #7
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Great thread Weapon X... A lot of valid points that turned into a good thread...

Love the fact that even though Christian isn't holding the title, he is helping pave the way for future guys and having great matches at the same time... Totally made Henry look pretty good... I too go for the heels and hat the "John Cena's" of the biz... But that doesn't mean I don't have a shit ton of respect for him and his work ethic...

Again, nice thread...
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Old 06-01-2011, 11:49 AM   #8
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Yup, top thread Sexy Wexy. I think we should credit him for every thread posted from now on. Even in the tech forum.
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Old 06-01-2011, 12:29 PM   #9
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Old 06-02-2011, 12:22 PM   #10
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Why would the Miz be a babyface? Could you really see him taking out CM Punk clean?

I also really like The Bella's, they are hot, there is two of them, and they are good in the ring. I thought the mic work in the Kharma/Bella's segment on Raw was the best diva mic work in Raw history.
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Old 06-02-2011, 05:02 PM   #11
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I think Miz could pull off being a face pretty well. Eventually, he will be a face. I would have thought WWE would have turned him already but they're waiting as the crowd is reacting favorably towards Alex Riley at the moment.

As far as the Bellas go, I think they're two of the worst women's wrestlers ever and that was one of the most brutal segments I've ever seen when it comes to the women. I am a big fan of women's wrestling and they have done nothing to impress me. I am not sure if you are being serious though about the Bellas. It seems sarcastic, but I am just saying what I felt about it.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:30 PM   #12
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I think Miz could pull off being a face pretty well. Eventually, he will be a face. I would have thought WWE would have turned him already but they're waiting as the crowd is reacting favorably towards Alex Riley at the moment.

As far as the Bellas go, I think they're two of the worst women's wrestlers ever and that was one of the most brutal segments I've ever seen when it comes to the women. I am a big fan of women's wrestling and they have done nothing to impress me. I am not sure if you are being serious though about the Bellas. It seems sarcastic, but I am just saying what I felt about it.
I agree with you about the Bellas, man. They've done nothing, but switch each other out.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:33 PM   #13
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Which is actually something new (well, was) different and quite inventive as opposed to a lot of the faceless, pointless birds that have rolled in and out in quick succession over the last 10 years.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:35 PM   #14
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I only read the first few lines or something.

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Old 06-02-2011, 06:36 PM   #15
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Cena is boring, Orton is fantastic. Too bad Orton is on the show no one watches.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:57 PM   #17
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And to the above, no I truly enjoyed Kharma's from the heart speech and then the Bella's smoothness on the mic, they are very talented and are a great addition to the Diva's roster. Not the best but they are marketable as hell, because, who doesn't wanna fuck twins?
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I'm curious to see what happens when Kharma is ready to return if the Bellas are face at the time.
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Old 06-05-2011, 05:26 AM   #19
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I cannot say the same for a Raw or a Smackdown - maybe it's because i end up reading spoilers all the time (In India, we get all WWE programming a week late - so the only options are to either not read spoilers & be a week late, or watch Raw live via stream at 6:30am or later in the week).
Just a suggestion but maybe you could watch them online shortly after they air?

I watch Raw on a Tuesday, avoid spoilers and watch SmackDown on a Friday. In fact, I watch SmackDown before it even airs in the US. You could do the same y'know.
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Old 06-05-2011, 05:23 AM   #20
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They turn heel in advance of her return? Pretty simple.

In fact, they turn heel which leads to the return of Kharma to make the save.
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Yeah, torrent that shit yo, I've been doing the same as XL since we got rid of Sky in 2007.
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