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Old 08-16-2011, 11:11 AM   #1
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I don't understand how you guys can be happy with Nash's promo. CM Punk was awesome in it, but seriously Nash was boring. It was a hype, and it fell down flat.

The ending of Raw was a HUGE let down, no HHH/Cena interaction? WTF is that about? Cena getting "angry" at Del Rio made NO sense at all.

Talk about losing steam.....
HHH and Cena talked a little bit after his match ended and Cena just disappeared and then on Monday night they didn't talk. Usually any ref, wrestler or official, would restart the match right away or another official would come down to dispute it but it didn't happen. This leads me to believe that maybe HHH did know what was gonna happen and since Punk stuck it to him and Steph, he didn't want to reverse the decision and let the illusion be that Punk won so Nash could powerbomb the winner who happened to be Punk.
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Old 08-16-2011, 12:57 AM   #2
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Dunno. I am probably going to get shit on for saying this, and accused of blatant Unhappy IWCitis, but...

I feel like RAW really lost a whole heckuva lot of steam this week.

The Punk stuff was still golden, and I am of course still interested in where it goes... but without the WWE Championship and Cena involved, it just loses a whole lot of steam.

Speaking of the WWE Title, it seems to be back to the status quo. New heel champ who cashed in the MitB vs angry face, Cena. Seen this a million times.

I also don't get why Cena was so angry. He wasn't even the dude Alberto cashed it in on. Punk and HHH both were like "Meh. That's Money in the Bank."

But Cena for some reason is outraged, even after Alberto beats Rey clean for the thousandth time.





Yeah. Basically, they could have milked Cena/Punk for even more and continued being red-hot.

This week was luke-warm at best.
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Old 08-16-2011, 12:59 AM   #3
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I did enjoy Jack Swagger's Gutwrench Stumblebomb tribute to Kevin Nash though.
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:24 AM   #4
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Cena in realilty shouldn't be mad, becasue is what Del Rio did that much worse then what Cena did to win the belt 3 weeks ago?
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like many of you i wanted more punk/nash/hhh answers but think raw did a great job of starting many new directions and if handled well could be really entertaining.

the cons are of course cena right back in the title picture and badly explained. again cena at the expense of mysterio gets in the mix, but thats just the world we live in cena is gonna always be in the hunt or wearing the belt

the pros. a slow burn with the mystery of cm punk stuff. who screwed him, who will he go after. could be good with punk becoming more over as he fights through Trip's stips and hopefully a rumble win at the end.

the divas didnt look half bad, and i never say that.

king and jr giving the inclination tag teams may be getting some love

getting vickie over to swagger is good.

only pet peeve about the show was hoping truth would keep no music and get jimmy hart guiding him out with the megaphone.ah well
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I really don't get it. A couple of years ago, when someone won the MITB and cashed it in, Cena was okay with it since they had "earned it". But now all of a sudden he is mad at Alberto Del Rio for cashing in his MITB contract. WTF Cena?
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:23 AM   #7
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Watching Raw on the west coast right now. The commentary during Swagger and Riley was awesome. I loved how Cole was genuinely laughing at everything whether Lawler said it or Dolph. And Dolph's "What!?" during the botched ending was hilarious.
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Watching Raw on the west coast right now. The commentary during Swagger and Riley was awesome. I loved how Cole was genuinely laughing at everything whether Lawler said it or Dolph. And Dolph's "What!?" during the botched ending was hilarious.
lol ya i agree..i loved when king said "when i think about you two in bed, i think of pigs in a blanket" and cole lost it and was cracking up. that made me laugh
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PS It took a while but I think I'm officially a full Dolph Ziggler fan now. And Alex Riley is just not ready. He's got a decent look but no real redeeming qualities past that. Just awful.
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Also, WTF with The Miz being relegated into an in-ring advertisement segment.
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Maybe Miz joins "The Corporation". Guy who is willing to do anything the company says, including go shill Subway.

Goes against Punk.
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The commentary tonight has been oddly stellar.
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Also, R-Truth getting music was a terrible idea.

Actually, strike that. R-Truth getting music that resembled his old music, complete with "What's up" being heard, is a terrible idea.

They had worked so hard and the transformation was so complete that I had nearly forgotten about the R-Truth of old. No music, it was "Here comes R-Truth! That crazy guy!"

With the music my first thought was "Here comes R-Truth, the guy who used to sing and dance."

Even remixed as it was, it just doesn't fit him at all anymore and is just a reminder of what they should want us to forget. And what the R-Truth character himself wants us to forget.
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Also, R-Truth getting music was a terrible idea.

Actually, strike that. R-Truth getting music that resembled his old music, complete with "What's up" being heard, is a terrible idea.

They had worked so hard and the transformation was so complete that I had nearly forgotten about the R-Truth of old. No music, it was "Here comes R-Truth! That crazy guy!"

With the music my first thought was "Here comes R-Truth, the guy who used to sing and dance."

Even remixed as it was, it just doesn't fit him at all anymore and is just a reminder of what they should want us to forget. And what the R-Truth character himself wants us to forget.
I think it's their way of demoting him just like they did koz
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I think it's their way of demoting him just like they did koz
Just what i thought. Yet another one of those weird wwe decisions where they just give up on someone, it seems.
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I love Truth, but mid-card is fine by me as long as he's on TV most weeks. We've got Del Rio, Punk, Cena, HHH, Nash and Rey (probably) on top right now and while I would prefer Truth instead of Del Rio, I'm not really complaining.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:36 AM   #18
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I guess we were all wrong. Nash came out to Truth's old music.
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It was probably already said in this thread, but isn't it pretty obvious that Del Rio is the one who somehow got that text sent? "Lay out the winner for me" isn't specific to just Punk.
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It was probably already said in this thread, but isn't it pretty obvious that Del Rio is the one who somehow got that text sent? "Lay out the winner for me" isn't specific to just Punk.
Hope not, because it's TOO obvious. Not saying they need to swerve people for the sake of swerving people and make it someone 100% uninvolved out of the blue. That would be kind of a let down. It would be a let down in the "Rikishi drove the car" kind of way.

It wasn't directly what the instructions were, it was how it was worded. Who calls Nash "Big man" besides his friends? Yes, Of The River gained the most, but we're supposed to doubt the integrity of Triple Doofus right now. Also, we have a list of suspects in Hunter himself, Super Dave, the re-emerged Billion Dollar Princess, and any multitude of Kliq members up to and including HBK.

Del Rio simply buying off Nash would be one thing, he has the kayfabe money for it. But with that said, if a guy who flaunts his money can just buy a favor, why go through the trouble of "tricking" Nash into it?
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Hope not, because it's TOO obvious. Not saying they need to swerve people for the sake of swerving people and make it someone 100% uninvolved out of the blue. That would be kind of a let down. It would be a let down in the "Rikishi drove the car" kind of way.

It wasn't directly what the instructions were, it was how it was worded. Who calls Nash "Big man" besides his friends? Yes, Of The River gained the most, but we're supposed to doubt the integrity of Triple Doofus right now. Also, we have a list of suspects in Hunter himself, Super Dave, the re-emerged Billion Dollar Princess, and any multitude of Kliq members up to and including HBK.

Del Rio simply buying off Nash would be one thing, he has the kayfabe money for it. But with that said, if a guy who flaunts his money can just buy a favor, why go through the trouble of "tricking" Nash into it?

Exactly. I think teasing Del rio with the "winner" comment is a red herring.

This is either going to end with HHH being in on it, or Steph doing it behind his back to get at Punk for getting her Dad fired.


I would love it if Steph was behind it, leading to a Steph, Super Dave, Nash group (I liked someones Idea of the Miz v Punk) being group going at it with Punk and HHH (who is playing innocent and a face) with then HHH swerving Punk and going Heel.

This can play out over a few months with them then Holding Punk down and him winning the Rumble to face their corporate champ, Miz or Del Rio.

Along the way the KOW debut as Punks backup. They have been making alot of Indy references to Punk lately, who might say, fuck it, yeah, and here are the Indys to back me up.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:22 AM   #26
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decent raw; pretty disappointed by Nash. Was never a fan, and he didn't really hold up his end of the promo with Punk.
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After Raw ended:

John Cena called for Alberto Del Rio to come to the ring and started to go to the back. CM Punk came out and forced Alberto into the ring. Cena and Punk hit their finishers on Alberto and grabbed the WWE Title. Ricardo tried to get it and they wouldn't let him have it. They then left the ring together with the title.

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Yeah, this IS off-air, but REALLY? Cena and Punk working together? Guess they see Punk as a full-fledged face now.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:47 AM   #28
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Yeah, if Nash coming off flat on his end of the promo with Punk was intended, I'll accept it. But otherwise? Damn, that's kinda saddening. Got the same feeling I got with the whole Rock/Cena back-and-forth earlier this year. I was expecting a lot out of Rock and Cena pretty much verbally owned him. And I've despised post-2005 Cena to no end.

Guess these guys can't bring a 90s-style promo into 2011 for anything more than nostalgia, and Nash isn't immune.. even if he crashes servers.
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Old 08-16-2011, 11:23 AM   #29
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How was Nash flat at the end? he got his digs in, and taunted Punk back up the ramp.

I think he got over the fact that he thinks Punk is disrespectful and ungrateful.

He got his "shoot" digs in with Indyriffic, "youve main evented, what , twice in 5 years" and the Cook dig.

I thought he was fine. He stumbled a bit at one point, but its his first Live promo on raw in 7 years.
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This could be Vince too, really. Johnny Ace pulling Kevin Nash aside too. I mean, Hunter's 'in charge,' and we've seen what HHH's character does when he's in charge and in business for himself. McMahon-Helmsley was ridiculous and over the top when it came to heel antics. (not necessarily always in a bad way, he really got guys over even more)

He ain't doing that now. Of course, none of that has to make any sense. Just, if you think about it, Vince McMahon being behind all this might make the most sense, other than Stephanie being insulted, which doesn't have to contend against the Vince theory at all.
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Really though, it seems like people sometimes don't want to get excited for something because they don't want to look like they were wrong about it if it DOES fall through...but even when it DOESN'T fall through, people will say "OMG THIS IS A FIRST..but they'll fuck it up eventually".

Maybe optimism isn't always the best policy in life-altering scenarios, but I think it's just fine as a wrestling fan to just sit back and hope for the best.
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Really though, it seems like people sometimes don't want to get excited for something because they don't want to look like they were wrong about it if it DOES fall through...but even when it DOESN'T fall through, people will say "OMG THIS IS A FIRST..but they'll fuck it up eventually".

Maybe optimism isn't always the best policy in life-altering scenarios, but I think it's just fine as a wrestling fan to just sit back and hope for the best.
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