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Old 10-03-2012, 12:20 AM   #1
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teams can play each other in the first round even if they're in the same division now
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:25 AM   #2
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Would be a miracle for Dice K to win tomorrow considering he's been horrible this season besides a game or two and the bullpen still sucks. At least the good news is after tomorrow, he's basically a free agent and the Red Sox have zero desire to resign him.
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Get off your playoffs high horse, Damo.
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I would like to make a bet with you. I need a response from you.

If the Baltimore Orioles meet the Oakland Athletics in the playoffs (I'm talking about a series, not some 1 game wild card nonsense) then I propose this:

The loser of the series has to film themselves doing the "Bernie Lean" for at least 60 seconds. That's all. I'd prefer the whole song but I won't get greedy.

Droford, I need a response.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:16 AM   #5
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Droford of TPWW:

I would like to make a bet with you. I need a response from you.

If the Baltimore Orioles meet the Oakland Athletics in the playoffs (I'm talking about a series, not some 1 game wild card nonsense) then I propose this:

The loser of the series has to film themselves doing the "Bernie Lean" for at least 60 seconds. That's all. I'd prefer the whole song but I won't get greedy.

Droford, I need a response.
im no accepting ..and really the only way they play is in wc game and i want the A's to beat Texas.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:55 AM   #6
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:04 AM   #7
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The AL West will be decided in one game tomorrow.

O's better hope the Rangers win...cause Darvish might murder them in the Wild Card game.
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Man I don't care if Medlen has a fucking MLB record under his belt for helping a team win the most games in a row, this wild card game sucks and I don't have much confidence in the Braves right now. Stellar pitching, but the bats have been put to sleep.
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Old 10-05-2012, 09:00 PM   #9
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Man I don't care if Medlen has a fucking MLB record under his belt for helping a team win the most games in a row, this wild card game sucks and I don't have much confidence in the Braves right now. Stellar pitching, but the bats have been put to sleep.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:25 AM   #10
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All these new rules suck.

Go Orioles though.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:11 AM   #11
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I back this gentlemen's bet Roxer proposed.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:39 AM   #12
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All this hype for a second wildcard in each div. and it's a one gamer. I don't see this 'working'
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I'm pumped for Miguel Cabrera.
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Texas is going to sit Hamilton today so Miggy haas a better chance
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Hamilton won't be sitting. The A's/Rangers game today is for the division. The difference between a division win and a one game Wild Card is enormous.

I think that's why I like it. Puts more importance on winning the division. I'm sure people will bitch if the Braves lose though and have their 6 game lead on the Cards wiped out in the blink of an eye.
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People were asking Girardi why he left Soriano in for two innings.

"We're trying to win the division."

I love it. Game 162 means something.
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I'd just rather it be an actual series as opposed to one game. Three games even. Something more significant than one baseball game.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:33 AM   #18
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There'd be no easy way to implement that. You'd have to block out at least 4 days (3 games plus a travel day). I'd go as far as to say that the wild card team would then have an advantage because the division winners would be sitting around for the better part of a week doing nothing.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:51 AM   #19
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One game playoffs rule. Remember the Tigers/Twins game and Rockies/Padres from 2007?
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I understand your point, but I don't think any team at the end of the season would mind some time off to rest players. The Braves need some damn rest right now (Chipper, Bourn, Uggla, McCann, and probably more). It'd be like fighting for a first round bye.

I just hope they think of something better than this. I don't know what else they could do, but I'd sure as hell rather have it back the way it was before.
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NL MVP: Buster Posey

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Old 10-03-2012, 01:48 PM   #27
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Assuming the Rangers were to lose today, their collapse might be considered worse than the Yankees this year or the Red Sox and Braves of last year.

Wasted a 4-5 game lead in their previous 9 games and occurred a lot later than the other teams.
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Wait a minute.

So the 2 Wild Card teams from each league don't really advance, but rather, play each other to see which of the two actually does get to play in the NLDS?

Do I have it right?
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:18 PM   #29
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Wait a minute.

So the 2 Wild Card teams from each league don't really advance, but rather, play each other to see which of the two actually does get to play in the NLDS?

Do I have it right?
Yes, they both make the playoffs. They play in the Wild Card Round of the playoffs. The winner of that round advances to the next round which is the League Division Series.

Think of it as the division winners having first round byes.
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If you make the playoffs, can you really consider it a collapse? That seems silly.
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If you make the playoffs, can you really consider it a collapse? That seems silly.
In a way yes considering they held onto the division lead for almost the entire season.

Only real difference is the guaranteed 2nd Wild Card spot so they can't do a complete collapse. The Wild Card round in the AL could end up being just like previous Play-In rounds when teams were tied assuming the Rangers and Os end up with the same record so neither would have been eliminated using last year's format.
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If you make the playoffs, can you really consider it a collapse? That seems silly.
When you take into account that winning the division means you get to rest while the 2 wild card teams from each league play an "all or nothing game", the last thing a team wants is to lose its division lead and fall into the wild card and play that one game where anything can happen.

So I guess you can call it a collapse (of sorts).
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But from what I read, the "wild card round of the playoffs" is just one game on Friday. Whoever wins that game goes on to play in the LDS.
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But from what I read, the "wild card round of the playoffs" is just one game on Friday. Whoever wins that game goes on to play in the LDS.
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I don't know how owners agreed to this BS.

Anything can happen in one game. An umpire may blow a call, a pitcher may have a bad day, a player may get injured.

It's stupid.
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so win the division and you don't have to worry about it
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Nationals won this afternoon and locked up the #1 seed and home field advantage for the playoffs.

And here's the scenarios for the AL teams playing for their spots and the Reds/Nats. You can thank Jayson Stark at ESPN for this.

If the Yankees lose and the Orioles win

Then the AL East is tied (at 94-68), and the Yankees and Orioles have to play a tiebreaker game Thursday in Baltimore. The winner is the AL East champ. The loser is the wild-card team. But is it the "first" wild card or the "second" wild card? That depends on what happens in Oakland.

If the A's beat the Rangers


Then Oakland (94-68) wins the AL West, and Texas (93-69) is a wild-card team. But would the Rangers be the "first" wild card or the "second" wild card? That depends on what happens in the AL East:
  • If the Yankees and Orioles both win Wednesday, the Orioles (94-68) would host the Rangers (93-69) in the wild-card game Friday. Why? Because a Baltimore win Wednesday would give the Orioles the better record.
  • If the Orioles lose Wednesday and finish with the same record as Texas (93-69), the Rangers would host the wild-card game Friday because they won the season series from Baltimore.
  • If the Rangers lose and there's a tie for the AL East (at 94-68), the AL East loser hosts the Rangers in the wild-card game because either still would have more wins (94) than Texas (93).
If the Rangers beat the A's

Then the Rangers (94-68) win the AL West, and Oakland (93-67) is a wild card. But is it the "first" wild card or "second" wild card? Again, that depends on developments in the AL East.
If the Yankees and Orioles both win Wednesday, the Orioles would host the A's in the wild-card game because Baltimore would have one more regular-season win (94) than Oakland (93).


If the Yankees lose, the Orioles win, there's a tie for the AL East and Oakland loses to Texas, the loser of the AL East tiebreaker game hosts the A's. Again, the reason: The AL East loser still would have more wins (94) than Oakland (93).


If the Yankees, Orioles and A's all lose Wednesday, the Orioles and A's would finish with the same record (93-69). If that happens, the A's host the wild-card game Friday. Why? Because they won the season series.
Who's No. 1 in the AL?

If the Yankees win Wednesday:

Then this is simple. They're the No. 1 seed in the AL. So their first Division Series game is Sunday at the winner of the wild-card game.
The AL West winner then would head for Detroit to start its Division Series on Saturday.

If there's a Yankees-Orioles tie:
This gets trickier. Then there's a three-way tie for the best record in the AL (Yankees, Orioles and the AL West champ, all at 94-68).


Under that scenario, the AL East tiebreaker game would not be used to determine seeding, even though it is otherwise considered a regular-season game. So how would that seeding be sorted out? Here's the breakdown:
  • Yankees win the AL East, Rangers win the AL West: Yankees are the No. 1 seed and play the wild-card winner. Rangers are the No. 2 seed and play at Detroit. Why? Yankees won the season series.
  • Yankees win the AL East, A's win the AL West: A's are the No. 1 seed and play the wild-card survivor. Yankees are the No. 2 seed and face Detroit. Why? Yankees and A's split the season series, but A's had the better record in division games.
  • Orioles win the AL East, Rangers win the AL West: Rangers are the No. 1 seed and draw the wild-card winner. Orioles are the No. 2 seed and play Detroit. Why? Rangers won the season series.
  • Orioles win the AL East, A's win the AL West: A's are the No. 1 seed. Orioles are the No. 2 seed. Same LDS matchups. Why? Orioles won the season series.
If the Yankees and the Orioles both lose Wednesday

Then there's a tie for the best record between the Yankees and the AL West champ (at 93-69).
Under that scenario, the Yankees are the No. 1 seed if the Rangers win the West -- but the No. 2 seed if the A's win the West. Why? See the tiebreaker scenarios above.
Who's No. 1 in the NL?

The Reds and Nationals head into their games Wednesday with the same record (97-64). So …

If the Reds win and the Nationals lose

Then the Reds are the No. 1 seed and play Sunday at the home of the wild-card survivor. And the Nationals are the No. 2 seed and play Saturday in San Francisco.

If the Nationals win and the Reds lose

Then the Nationals are the No. 1 seed and visit the wild-card winner Sunday. And the Reds are the No. 2 seed and start their Division Series on Saturday in San Francisco.

If the Nationals and Reds finish tied

Then the Nationals are the No. 1 seed. And the Reds are the No. 2 seed. (Same matchups as the Nationals win/Reds lose scenario above.) Why? Nationals won the season series.
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