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Old 01-29-2013, 08:25 AM   #1
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Oh right, it's just the I'M ON YOUTUBE PRETENDING TO SHOUT market. It does work and gets millions of views, though.
They get paid for that shit, though.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:50 PM   #2
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:52 PM   #3
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I was pissed off about Rock/Cena initially...not because they're bad performers or anything. Far from it. But I thought Rock/Cena last year was a disappointment, I'm not a fan of the same exact match closing out consecutive WrestleManias, and it's blatantly obvious Cena will be getting his win back.

But...the crowd will be shit hot for the match and will probably be a fun environment. I'll get to see an Undertaker streak match live, possibly against CM Punk. Jericho might now be in the fold. Team Hell No will do something fun. Cody/Goldust or some variant of that might happen. Orton could be a heel by then and way more interesting as a result. HHH/Lesnar, if it happens, has a chance at being much better if they actually get a chance to wrestle and not try to make it a shoot. And most importantly, I've got the luxury of going to WM without having to spend an exorbitant amount on travel, since I can drive there.

Just gonna sit back and enjoy the build up.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:53 PM   #4
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This PPV was awful, the only sighting of Billy Gunn was in a bloody promo.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:04 AM   #5
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:04 AM   #6
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It should be a triple threat for WM. Punk vs Rock vs Cena.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:13 AM   #8
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It should be a triple threat for WM. Punk vs Rock vs Cena.
This is what I want, really.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:25 AM   #9
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I just really want to thank you guys so much for continuing to be wrestling fans during these past 400 plus days. I know it was very rough at times, but FINALLY THE RATINGS HAVE COME BACK TO THE WWE!
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:30 AM   #10
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Cena vs Rock III wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:31 AM   #11
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The only downside was Bret Hart being on the PPV. Streams didn't die when he came onscreen, they got bored and left.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:34 AM   #12
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Bret Hart is by far the greatest rassler to ever come from America's largest national park.
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:53 AM   #13
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:03 AM   #14
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I'd be fine with it if it wasn't for CM Punk's streak. You just don't make a guy the longest reigning champ in 25 years to have the payoff being making a part-time guy look good. Well, actually... I guess you do. I wouldn't have though.
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:07 AM   #15
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They should have the rock beat the undertaker at WM. wouldn't that be neat? End two super streaks. That would make the Rock the Best greatest rassler in the world.
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:09 AM   #16
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He should do it with the People's Elbow too. Like it is the one move that can put Taker away... forget Pedigrees.... Superkicks.... it is all about the People's Elbow.
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:20 AM   #17
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He should pin him with the People's Eyebrow
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:25 AM   #18
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What is the EXACT number for the Rock's workrate you may be axing yourself. Well, it's been a while, but I just got off the phone with a team of rasslin researcher in the serious business wing at the International Academy of Rasslin Workrate and midget porn and they said that the Rock's workrate coefficient is precisely 77.87473463. Wow. Punk is merely a 63.4748482636210283737
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What is the EXACT number for the Rock's workrate you may be axing yourself. Well, it's been a while, but I just got off the phone with a team of rasslin researcher in the serious business wing at the International Academy of Rasslin Workrate and midget porn and they said that the Rock's workrate coefficient is precisely 77.87473463. Wow. Punk is merely a 63.4748482636210283737
Was your rasslin' researcher Scott Steiner by any chance?
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:39 AM   #20
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That's very close to what I had
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:09 AM   #21
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The Rock winning the title = logical and badass. Cena winning the rumble to have the same match as last year = boring. I get that Cena is the biggest WWE wrestler today, but we already saw that match last year - and if all we ever focus on is Cena being the top dog, no one else will move up there. I thought CM Punk and Rock was fresh, and the right guy won...the Rock is hands down the best. Rock vs. Brock would've even been better.

The only way to redeem this shit is for the Rock to cleanly pin Cena at WM. Next night, since he is leaving unfortunately, which means WWE will be shite again, the Rock should hand the WWE title to Vince, say thanks for everything, and let it be that...a title tourney or something.
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Good Thing they didn't so Taker/HBK Taker/HHH 2 years in a row, would have been dull matches every second year.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:12 AM   #23
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Also, Rock just handing the belt back wouldn't redeem anything, it'd just shit on Punks reign.
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Also, Rock just handing the belt back wouldn't redeem anything, it'd just shit on Punks reign.
It would piss off every IWC kid and every Cena fan, which is fine by me. I like Punk and all, but the Rock is miles above all the other wrestlers today. Lets be realistic here.
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I get your point - but the Rock isn't around as much as HBK was back then, HHH, or Taker...Rock may not come back for a hell of a long time. So mind as well insert some other marquee match ups while you can, not just make the Rock's rare returns 75% Cena. I'm not saying pick someone like Daniel Bryan that won't be nearly as huge of a draw, but Brock Lesnar would've banked, Ryback wouldn't probably have banked as much, but it wouldve been a fresh opponent. Or Ziggler even. e
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Taker wasn't around anymore the Rock has been.
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It would piss off every IWC kid and every Cena fan, which is fine by me. I like Punk and all, but the Rock is miles above all the other wrestlers today. Lets be realistic here.
If we're being realistic, you wouldn't have said Rock is miles above all the other wrestlers today.
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If we're being realistic, you wouldn't have said Rock is miles above all the other wrestlers today.
How is that not realistic? Best wrestler today. Gets the crowd on his side more than anyone, whether he is heel or face. His charisma and skills in the ring and mic are unparalleled...minus Hogan. Work rate isn't what makes a wrestler the best, being a wrestler is being an entertainer, and the Rock has mastered that. Even transcended into Hollywood because of it, and is the only mainstream relevant guy today minus Hogan again, who is considered cool. Not Cena, not Daniel Bryan, not Punk, or anyone else for that matter.
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If we're being realistic, you wouldn't have said Rock is miles above all the other wrestlers today.
From a charisma standpoint he is. No one in the WWE can capture a crowd like the Rock.

Cena has come close, ironically in his war of words with the rock. He'd walk into an arena with everyone booing him, but then he'd lay down a sick freestyle or cut an awesome promo, and the whole crowd was cheering him.

But he's inconsistent. He always goes back to the goofy, forced, shitty cena.
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From a charisma standpoint he is. No one in the WWE can capture a crowd like the Rock.

Cena has come close, ironically in his war of words with the rock. He'd walk into an arena with everyone booing him, but then he'd lay down a sick freestyle or cut an awesome promo, and the whole crowd was cheering him.

But he's inconsistent. He always goes back to the goofy, forced, shitty cena.
+1. Exactly. Work rate doesn't mean anything, at the end of the day, wrestling is sports entertainment for a reason, it's not a true athletic sport based on who's skills are more superior...its entertainment. Who can capture a crowd and work well.
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+1. Exactly. Work rate doesn't mean anything, at the end of the day, wrestling is sports entertainment for a reason, it's not a true athletic sport based on who's skills are more superior...its entertainment. Who can capture a crowd and work well.
You need to keep in mind that Rock has the advantage of being an attitude era guy. Not that I'm shitting on him, but wrestlers from that time always get put on a pedestal when compared with today's comment.
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From a charisma standpoint he is. No one in the WWE can capture a crowd like the Rock.

Cena has come close, ironically in his war of words with the rock. He'd walk into an arena with everyone booing him, but then he'd lay down a sick freestyle or cut an awesome promo, and the whole crowd was cheering him.

But he's inconsistent. He always goes back to the goofy, forced, shitty cena.
I didn't see charismatic standpoint stated anywhere in his comment. If they hadn't gone full in PG and Cena wasn't made to change his character to adjust, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.
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I so get what you're trying to say though, I think.
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And from WWE's current stock of everyday wrestlers, Cena is the marquee guy today. But I don't get the idea of him only being the marquee protected guy, even when Punk was champion, Cena was still the face of the show. They didn't even do that with Austin in the Attitude Era, he was the face of the show but Mankind and the Rock were given full opportunities to be the top dog as well. Not blaming Cena for any of this, I think he's a hard worker and quality guy, it comes down to WWE just focusing on one guy solely to be face with no one else being able to get near his level. Ryback is the first guy in a long time it seems like WWE is giving a chance to be on Cena's level.
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And from WWE's current stock of everyday wrestlers, Cena is the marquee guy today. But I don't get the idea of him only being the marquee protected guy, even when Punk was champion, Cena was still the face of the show. They didn't even do that with Austin in the Attitude Era, he was the face of the show but Mankind and the Rock were given full opportunities to be the top dog as well. Not blaming Cena for any of this, I think he's a hard worker and quality guy, it comes down to WWE just focusing on one guy solely to be face with no one else being able to get near his level. Ryback is the first guy in a long time it seems like WWE is giving a chance to be on Cena's level.
But really, Cena is the new Austin in the fact he's the face of the company, and Punk, Sheamus, Mark Henry and Big Show to name a few have been given opportunities around him.

I believe they should be working better on pushing new talent, don't get me wrong, but everything that's happening is being done from a business perspective. How many people here stream PPV's? It's not like the IWC would ever come close to providing the WWE with the money sponsors do, and until that day comes, and it never will, things will continue on the way they are, whether we like it or not.

That's being realistic.
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But really, Cena is the new Austin in the fact he's the face of the company, and Punk, Sheamus, Mark Henry and Big Show to name a few have been given opportunities around him.

I believe they should be working better on pushing new talent, don't get me wrong, but everything that's happening is being done from a business perspective. How many people here stream PPV's? It's not like the IWC would ever come close to providing the WWE with the money sponsors do, and until that day comes, and it never will, things will continue on the way they are, whether we like it or not.

That's being realistic.
Cena is the new Austin, but like I said, in Austin's days people had the opportunity to be the top face too, and Mankind + Rock took it. Now its not the case. In my opinion, it's a combination of WWE's fault and some of the wrestlers. I can't stand Cena's character, but he does know how to work emotions and the crowd, whether we love to boo him and hope he loses, or we cheer him on to win....he's not to the level of the Rock, but he's the only wrestlers today who is active who can even come close to even trying on that level. WWE's fault I already mentioned in my last post about the whole protecting him on the marquee factor...but some of the fault does go on some of the new wrestlers today. I agree with what Triple H said last year to HBK on Raw, on how they're a dying breed. You don't see that much heart and passion in some of the wrestlers today as u did a decade ago for whatever reason. Cena's a hard worker and has that passion, which is why he's in the position he's in. You don't get that sense from some of the other wrestlers, its too systematic almost it feels like.
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And from WWE's current stock of everyday wrestlers, Cena is the marquee guy today. But I don't get the idea of him only being the marquee protected guy, even when Punk was champion, Cena was still the face of the show. They didn't even do that with Austin in the Attitude Era, he was the face of the show but Mankind and the Rock were given full opportunities to be the top dog as well. Not blaming Cena for any of this, I think he's a hard worker and quality guy, it comes down to WWE just focusing on one guy solely to be face with no one else being able to get near his level. Ryback is the first guy in a long time it seems like WWE is giving a chance to be on Cena's level.
There is no one in the WWE that is on as close to level of talent with cena, as mankind and the rock were to austin. At least not from a marketablility standpoint.

Punk cut's great promo's and is great in the ring, but as a character, he doesn't stand out very much. He doesn't have that over the top personality that it takes to really be in that echelon that the rock is in.

Orton just sounds awkward and forced, every time he talks. He can't play a face to save his life.

Ryback obviously can't talk for shit. That's probably a part of the reason he has this gimmick.

Sheamus is nothing special outside of his look and accent.

There's no one around Cena, because they just don't have anyone capable of being on his level.
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I don't mind Rock vs Cena II. It will have an amazing electricity to it.

Plus I like that the whole rock/cena feud tells a story across years, rather than a few months like most feuds. It's a match that like Taker vs HBK, is special enough to be at mania twice in a row.
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I could go for Rock/Cena/Punk at 'Mania
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