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Old 08-10-2013, 04:21 PM   #1
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You have no idea when he started juicing, His whole career could be a sham,

Im a yankees fan and I have no tolerance so why are you backing him?
If you're ignorant enough to even consider thinking that Alex Rodriguez wouldn't be great with or without drugs, I don't know what to tell you.

Roids do not make a player better. Baseball is a skill driven sport. PEDs do not teach plate discipline, approach, swing path, swing mechanics, etc. Nor do they influence hand eye coordination, pitch recognition, and all of the other skills that go along with baseball. All roids did was either/both help him recover from workouts/injury faster and maintain strength and health. He still had/has to have well developed skills built up and around God given talent in order to excel.
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Old 08-10-2013, 08:15 PM   #2
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If you're ignorant enough to even consider thinking that Alex Rodriguez wouldn't be great with or without drugs, I don't know what to tell you.

Roids do not make a player better. Baseball is a skill driven sport. PEDs do not teach plate discipline, approach, swing path, swing mechanics, etc. Nor do they influence hand eye coordination, pitch recognition, and all of the other skills that go along with baseball. All roids did was either/both help him recover from workouts/injury faster and maintain strength and health. He still had/has to have well developed skills built up and around God given talent in order to excel.
LOL yeah PEDs dont make you at all better. They dont heal you faster, extend your peak, and allow you to play everyday in top form.

Brady Anderson was not better because of roids, right?

Arod may have been an all time great without them but we will never know. All we can say is hes a fucking cheater that should be exiled like Bonds and Sosa
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Miguel Cabrera is the best. What a clutch hit. Wow.
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Assuming A-Rod was telling the truth previously about 2001 being the start of his roids, then based on his 1994-2000 stats, he would have been a good to great type player. Probably not MVP or Hall of Fame caliber like Griffey was during that period or Bonds for his pre-roids career.

If he did them while at Seattle, then somewhere in the 1998-2000 period would be the likeliest spot in terms of certain stats.
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TBF A-Rod was very very highly touted coming into the league, people expected him to be great.

Without the PEDs he would have still been a great player. Don't think anybody is disputing that.

In order to "stay on the top" though, the PEDs obviously helped that. Like Damian Rey said, a lot of times in a sport like baseball the PEDs don't make them "better", but they help them with their consistency and help them maintain what they already have. Lotta people joke that baseball is such a super lazy sport (not a lot of running etc) but being able to perform at the peak of your ability for 162 games is no easy task. The PEDs defs helped him do what he does for as long as he has.

That being said, the whole saga of him trying to deny it etc etc is mostly what people are getting uppity about, I guess. IDK. Tired of hearing the letters P E and D come up any time anyone mentions baseball. Just ban him so we can move on.
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There's no moving on from this. Baseball is forever tainted. You can ban Arod, but what Bonds did and got away with will never be forgotten. Bonds got of scot free and that is the biggest crime in the history of this sport. Arod is the sacrificial lamb for Bonds.

MLB isn't blameless. They probably let Arod get away with some of the PED so he could have a shot of taking the record since he's not really Bonds level of a cocksucker even though he's pretty close.
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Remember Eric Gagne getting ridiculed for how bad he stunk when he wasn't using roids around the time of the trade to Boston and later with Milwaukee.
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I don't live in a world of what ifs

I don't care if he could have been great without them. A rod DID use then and in negates every achievement he had on the field.

I cannot believe Pete rose is banned for life and these roiders aren't.

I would rather my kids have rose as a role model than anyone else. He was the hardest working player of all time, and the most competitive. Guy played his heart out every day. Gambling is against the rules but his acts effected less games than arod cheating for 10 years and winning a ring.

Disgusting.
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For anyone who thinks peds don't increase every bit of performance a player has, look at melky Cabrera. Below average started in NY and ATL then an all star in KC and SF.

But yeah Damian ray, it doesn't make bad players good.
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At this point I think baseball just needs to acknowledge that the steroid era happened. Put up a wing in the HOF specifically for the 90s/00s and just be like "yeah, this was an era of baseball and a lot of people cheated during this time...draw your own conclusions".

But the writers will probably continue to refuse voting for anybody they even remotely think might have cheated. Even guys like Bagwell and Piazza who have never been officially implicated aside from like one rogue writer accusing them of doing it for no reason other than they hit a lot of HR in the steroid era. Leaving out known roiders like McGwire is one thing, but I guarantee at least one clean guy who is clearly HOF worthy will be left out unjustly.
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At this point I think baseball just needs to acknowledge that the steroid era happened. Put up a wing in the HOF specifically for the 90s/00s and just be like "yeah, this was an era of baseball and a lot of people cheated during this time...draw your own conclusions".

But the writers will probably continue to refuse voting for anybody they even remotely think might have cheated. Even guys like Bagwell and Piazza who have never been officially implicated aside from like one rogue writer accusing them of doing it for no reason other than they hit a lot of HR in the steroid era. Leaving out known roiders like McGwire is one thing, but I guarantee at least one clean guy who is clearly HOF worthy will be left out unjustly.
I dont think its hurt anyone that hasnt popped.

Frank Thomas is going to WALTZ into the Hall this year. Not one person will hold him back.

I think the only clean guys not making wont be because of doubt, but numbers.

Fred McGriff belongs in the Hall, but because of Juicers skewing numbers in his era he falls short.
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I hope you're right about Frank Thomas. No question he deserves it. But the Bagwell and Piazza snubs have me concerned that these old fogey voters have decided that the entire era is tainted and all power hitters should be questioned. It's not right. Even Craig fucking Biggio got left off and he wasn't even a power hitter. 3,000 hits is normally a lock.

Actually Bagwell and Piazza could be in deep shit if they don't make it this year since this is the last year before locks like Glavine and Maddux enter the ballot, Smoltz the following year, etc.
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Do you assume pitchers wont be tainted by PEDs? Guys like Thomas and Griffey are fine because they never had even a whiff of suspicion. Bagwell and Piazza and Biggio will make it with time. This was a "statement year" by the writers.
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Not to say those pitchers used PEds, but it would be naive to think that during the steroid era there were good pitchers that declined to be great by avoiding the stuff.
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Pitchers most certainly roided, but most of them get overlooked since everybody associates PEDs with dingers. Lone exception being Clemens and that's just because he got caught.
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Biggie is a class act and a hell of a player. But he never won anything, barely sniffed being top 5 at his position many years of his career. A lot of writers want years of dominance where biggio was always just good.

Big Hurt was a multiple time MVP and the most feared hitter in te mid 90s.

Maddux will be first ballot.

I think they also have their own code on first ballot players where they will hold a guy back a year saving first ballot status for guys who are on their own level. Like I remember gammons saying piazza is a sure fire hall of gamer but not a first ballot guy...which blows my mind. Baseball voters have that stupid code.
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