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Old 01-05-2014, 07:25 PM   #1
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Didn't jimmy hart used to run a naked women's wrestling promotion?
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Old 01-05-2014, 07:27 PM   #2
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Old 01-05-2014, 07:33 PM   #3
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:02 PM   #4
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:09 PM   #5
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WWE Good:
* Great tag and multi-man matches the past 1-2 years
* NXT has been really good
* The added hour of RAW has lead to a lot of great matches being possible
* Lots of great talent on the roster
* Brock Lesnar

WWE Bad:
* Creative and booking has been a really weak spot the past few years. Pretty much a mix of the WWE doing a poor job generating new top stars, relying way too much on Cena and past big stars, being really inconsistent in storylines or direction, and panicking way too quickly when something goes wrong.
* Authority angle has been a big mess with Orton and Bryan being impacted the worst.
* Ryback in regards to how badly he's been handled in recent times.
* RAW commentary team being bad a lot more than good the past few years. JBL has been a bit annoying assuming he really is Vince's mouthpiece while Lawler has been the weak link for years.


TNA Good:
* Lots of great talent on the roster
* Impact having its moments when it produces better overall shows than RAW.
* Bully Ray's rise in recent years.

TNA Bad:
* Aces & Eights storyline overall dragged on way too much.
* Hogan and Bischoff doing more harm than good during their time with the company.
* Creative and booking being the really big weak point of TNA for years.
* Being over-reliant on having big surprises that either end up as a huge laughing stock or ruined quickly.
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:15 PM   #6
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Crying Jericho pretty much sums up WWE's terrible "come up with something now, think of a reason later" booking technique. It's really something even the worst TV writers probably look at and think "Holy fuck, how do people get paid for this!?!?" Seems like one of the most basic things you would learn before becoming a professional writer is not to start a story without having any idea where the fuck to go with it.
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Old 01-06-2014, 12:12 AM   #7
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TNA needs to get out of their own way and stop chasing WWE's shadow. Even WWE took over 3 decades to become WWE, and they need to quit convincing themselves they can re-create that in a year to 18 months. If they would have just kept all the things that had worked for them and scrapped what didn't as apposed to repeatedly hitting the reset button on the promotion, they could have been making decent noise for themselves by now.

WWE needs to stop losing interest in people in 6 months. If a noob don't hit megastar instantly anymore, WWE seems to treat them as if they're somehow a lost cause. Cena didn't become Cena overnight (neccessity at the time aside), The Rock didn't become The Rock overnight. Honestly, Hulkamania wasn't overnight. It took an investment in time from fans actually giving a shit about them- and part of that was because they were given a reason to in that time.

In both these things, TNA and WWE are kinda similar: impatience. They both want a quick fix for something that takes a lot more time than they seem to be willing to want to invest. For TNA, its their image as a company and for WWE it's that next crossover megastar.
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Old 01-06-2014, 03:15 AM   #8
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I watch both brands, and actually am entertained by the two.. But tna does some stupid shit sometimes.. They have Eric young trying to prove to Joseph park that he is abyss.. So of course he doesn't roll op parks sleeves to show him the tattoos on his arms... Lol just way too drawn out of a story line that is unnecessary.. Wwe does some dumb shit too, but tna makes me question why I watch it sometimes.. Lol
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:28 AM   #9
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TNA needs to get out of their own way and stop chasing WWE's shadow. Even WWE took over 3 decades to become WWE, and they need to quit convincing themselves they can re-create that in a year to 18 months. If they would have just kept all the things that had worked for them and scrapped what didn't as apposed to repeatedly hitting the reset button on the promotion, they could have been making decent noise for themselves by now.

WWE needs to stop losing interest in people in 6 months. If a noob don't hit megastar instantly anymore, WWE seems to treat them as if they're somehow a lost cause. Cena didn't become Cena overnight (neccessity at the time aside), The Rock didn't become The Rock overnight. Honestly, Hulkamania wasn't overnight. It took an investment in time from fans actually giving a shit about them- and part of that was because they were given a reason to in that time.

In both these things, TNA and WWE are kinda similar: impatience. They both want a quick fix for something that takes a lot more time than they seem to be willing to want to invest. For TNA, its their image as a company and for WWE it's that next crossover megastar.
I think if WWE doubles their rights fees (which they should considering they got hosed last time) and the Network takes off, it'll almost "creative-proof" the company where they can take time with guys rather than worry about the ratings and spiking them.
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Old 01-06-2014, 04:59 AM   #10
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Are we still discussing Triple H? Have we accepted that he is one of the WWE's biggest stars ever whether you like him or not?
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:06 AM   #13
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I am glad Nowhere Man mentioned that he finds it wrong many of the Divas don't get last names. This actually does bother me sometimes. I've gotten more and more used to it, but can you imagine a wrestler named "Blake" winning the World Heavyweight Championship? It was odd enough when Christian won the World Title as "Christian."
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Old 01-06-2014, 12:26 PM   #14
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I am glad Nowhere Man mentioned that he finds it wrong many of the Divas don't get last names. This actually does bother me sometimes. I've gotten more and more used to it, but can you imagine a wrestler named "Blake" winning the World Heavyweight Championship? It was odd enough when Christian won the World Title as "Christian."
Wrestlers without last names? Meng, Wrath, Haku, Sabu, Barbarian, Virgil, Vincent, Yokozuna, Goldberg, Mankind, Sting, Edge, Christian, Sheamus......................................... The last seven names, did you find it odd when they won?



I get your point though.....kind of......maybe.
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Wrestlers without last names? Meng, Wrath, Haku, Sabu, Barbarian, Virgil, Vincent, Yokozuna, Goldberg, Mankind, Sting, Edge, Christian, Sheamus......................................... The last seven names, did you find it odd when they won?



I get your point though.....kind of......maybe.
Yeah, most of them are not first names, Bobo...
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:54 AM   #16
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WWE Good:

Mainstay of the wrestling world

Attitude Era and other parts of the past to lean on

Set the standard or improved a lot of things within the realm of wrestling

Big supporter of troops


WWE Bad:

PG atmosphere currently, has hardcore fans yearning for another Attitude era, but there is no WCW to watch until it happens like last time.

Feels like RAW is being decided that day mid-card wise. I remember enjoying the Steve Blackman and Al Snow shit, the stables like Right To Censor and all other middle man goodness. I rarely enjoy seeing Kofi and the Miz going at it. I love all the performers and all, but they need to stable everyone up and make it worthwhile. They are only using stables to form new talent like The Shield and Wyatts, Nexus too. Some of the older folk need to group up and sell some merch.

TNA Good:

Match quality

Lets you know when the talent arrive to the building, sometimes will show them arriving to make sure you know that they are there. Very important to me at times.

Shark Boy and Curry Man

House shows are on point and interactive


TNA Bad:

Rockstar Spud makes me turn off IMPACT

Dixie Carter started talking, major boner killa

Episodes are unbearable to sit through
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Of all of those only Christian and Sheamus have anything that a sane person would class as a first name.... Goldberg IS the guys last name for christ sake..

The rest are all single 'character' names and thus nullify the point you are failing to make and accentuate the very valid point that Noid eloquently did make...

Well done.
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Of all of those only Christian and Sheamus have anything that a sane person would class as a first name.... Goldberg IS the guys last name for christ sake..

The rest are all single 'character' names and thus nullify the point you are failing to make and accentuate the very valid point that Noid eloquently did make...

Well done.
Oh go fuck yourself you little cunt face mother fucker.
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Both companies have great wrestlers on their rosters, and shit wrestlers on their rosters. They both have writers/creative people who know what they're doing, and they both have people that throw shit together with no idea where it's going. They both make mistakes, and they both do good things.

Only real difference is that WWE has the history and the budget to make it seem more important.
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:13 PM   #27
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Just to pick up on a point I made in the WCW 2001 thread is despite it's shortcomings and criticisms, I think TNA right now is still a much better product than WCW ever was between 1999 to 2001.

I can only say that from a uk perspective but though I was a huge WCW fan back in the day other than recorded episodes of nitro and thunder on a Friday night on TNT, wcw's presence in the uk was non existent. Merchandise was hard to come by and had to be ordered by mail for extortionate prices, they never toured the uk and we never once had any of the Ppvs broadcast here either live or in their entirety and I suspect that was the same in other territories worldwide.

It wasn't until about 2000 that WCW even began touring the uk and or making promotional appearances and even then it was a pisstake and was already too late. So despite winning the Monday night wars outside the US WCW was nowhere near WWE i terms of popularity.

TNA however learned from WCWs mistakes at a very early stage perhaps having had the benefit of witnessing what happened before. But almost from its inception TNA had a presence in the Uk and worldwide with a specific TNA European website and shop, multiple programming other than just impact episodes including Ppvs either live or recorded. TNAs tours are not that bad either, they put on a decent show, the fan interaction events are great etc.

In other words TNA aimed to be a global product from its inception whereas even at the peak of their popularity, WCW seemed to care little about international markets and had they been a bit more considerate of that, they perhaps wouldn't have gone the way they did.
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PG isn't holding them back, a lot of great tv and movies are PG. Shitty writing is holding them back.
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PG isn't holding them back, a lot of great tv and movies are PG. Shitty writing is holding them back.
Pretty much this. I could care less what rating they wanna go. Just make it compelling.

I do think they've taken the PG rating as a reason to not try though. Kids are stupid. They don't need compelling storylines or anything. So just throw some random guys out in a meaningless match and throw in a comedy segment geared toward 5 year olds every once in a while and you're all set.
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And go back and rewatch the almighty Attitude Era. 70% of it is unwatchable it's so bad.
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The Hogan era was PG, WCW for the most part was PG, never got the whole PG is ruining wrestling argument, XPW was far from PG and was generally terrible.

And yeah the Attitude era is vastly overrated, it had some amazing stuff but also some amazingly bad stuff.
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