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Old 10-27-2022, 07:17 PM   #1
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lol Obi Wan was mediocre.
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It gave me Darth Vs Obi and Luke on a hot tear of badassery.

Don’t be mad that these things happened.
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Old 10-28-2022, 10:12 AM   #3
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It gave me Darth Vs Obi and Luke on a hot tear of badassery.

Don’t be mad that these things happened.
It was a slog. And I liked the Anakin half Vader mask scene a lot but it was so middling. Like—I don’t mind it for what it is and don’t begrudge someone liking it—just a lot of flaws. I got how obi wan was traumatized and lost his connection with the force but I didn’t really enjoy the execution. Watching obi wan fumble and flail is boring. There wasn’t much character development. Little Leia wasn’t necessary. That there was another obi wan versus Vader fight was kinda dumb and an unnecessary retcon that they didn’t quite justify. Most of the acting and dialogue seemed phoned in. And in general it seemed subject to a lot of rewrites.


I had a good time with it, and accepted that I’d have to enjoy some isolated moments. But Andor is just put together much better. Better acting, plot, overall story, and dialogue.
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Old 10-27-2022, 07:21 PM   #4
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Dale try and explain yourself because this is an argument worth having.
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Obi Wan was mediocre but made up for it with some "F yeah, Darth Vader!!" moments even if in the end the whole story was kind of just "why do you exist and what sense did that make?"

So I can understand liking it to the superior story of Andor just because of the "F yeah!" moments
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Exactly.

I’m not a fan of Star Wars but Obi Wan objectively kicks the cunt out of the three prequel films we were exposed to as kids.
That’s not up for debate.
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Old 10-27-2022, 07:25 PM   #7
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The Mandalorian is easily the best Star Wars product and it’s not even close.

I haven’t seen the last three or four films but why bother when the fan reaction is so extremely negative all of the time.

At least I got to see Vader in a proper duel. That was worth the hours and even without it the whole Luke bit would have made that show worth watching.
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the score on andor is fantastic. the synths often sound as though they are decaying through the notes. this may be my favorite star wars series yet with the score being the real icing on the cake.
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God damnit Ron that’s the testimony Dale will use to hang me
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i think the mandalorian may be better overall (we'll see after andor is done), and the vader scenes in obi wan you mentioned were also exactly what i needed. but something about the "rogue one" part of the universe and how they are handling it fascinates me.
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So I should see “Rogue One” then watch Andor.

Thanks for actually being helpful Ron.
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Old 10-28-2022, 07:57 AM   #12
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Rogue One might be my favorite Star Wars movie honestly. Was surprisingly good.
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Right on.

See Dale is a gatekeeper.
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I remember after first seeing it I immediately thought how much it sucked that it was just a one off because it was so much better than the mainline sequels/prequels at that point.
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Mandalorian has a lot more cool, hype moments, but a lot of those moments rely on nostalgia from the OG trilogy and clone wars. Andor is so well written it doesn't even need it. So much subtley in the writing. Its really excellent.

Andor is better, imo. At least up to this point. Bad ending could ruin the whole thing. All that said, I wouldn't blame anyone for liking Mando more, because those nostalgia moments are still very cool and its got its own great writing besides that.
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On another note Tales of the Jedi is really good. Outside of the first episode which is nothing. Really cool lore stuff, especially if you watched clone wars.
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First ep of tales of the Jedi is kinda just cool as Ahsoka lore, but the rest of the show is definitely much meatier.

And yeah, I basically agree with you on Andor, Figgy. I'd only say Mando is objectively "better" just because of how hype it is. It grabs more eyes and has more cache because the two mains (Mando and Grogu) have such unparalleled chemistry (even if Grogu is a puppet that doesn't say anything).

As far as what I think is technically better with dialogue, plot, and acting--it's Andor all the way and not all that close. But if you go into Andor wanting the standard by-the-numbers star wars story, you won't like it.
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Another great episode of Andor. This story arc has been amazing.

That one dude sure loves his space cereal. I want to see him "get with" ISB braud.... think she would be "hot" letting her hair down and "getting wild" if you know what I mean.
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Another great episode of Andor. This story arc has been amazing.

That one dude sure loves his space cereal. I want to see him "get with" ISB braud.... think she would be "hot" letting her hair down and "getting wild" if you know what I mean.
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i didn't expect a romance angle coming from either of them, but that's certainly where their interaction this week made it seem like they're headed. the actors had a very strange and beautiful chemistry in that scene, and i was into it.

definitely excited to see this meeting between mon mothma and that one mob boss sounding dude. and of course the prison shit is excellent.

also poor fucking bix that torture method sounds wild as hell.
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Also, friend pointed this out to me last week:

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One of the dudes at Cassian's table (Melshi) is in Rogue One and in the battle on Scarif. So we know someone else gets out alive too.
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I wonder if Andor realizes that his jail-boss is Snoke.
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Andor is a weird name give that there’s a place called Endor.

Like if on Earth there was a kid called “Faturn” instead of “Saturn”.

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You know what I'd really like, is a show that sympathizes with why imperials are so feircely loyal to this blatantly evil organization. Like, it wouldn't sympathize with the empire itself but rather with the history of these people and what traumatic events pushed them to beleive that totaltarian authoritism was the best option. We've never really gotten anything that dives deep into that, probably because in the original trilogy, none of the imperials had any redeeming qualities. But more recent stuff is painting them as more human than cartoon villain, so it would be cool to get a better look at their motivations.
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You know what I'd really like, is a show that sympathizes with why imperials are so feircely loyal to this blatantly evil organization. Like, it wouldn't sympathize with the empire itself but rather with the history of these people and what traumatic events pushed them to beleive that totaltarian authoritism was the best option. We've never really gotten anything that dives deep into that, probably because in the original trilogy, none of the imperials had any redeeming qualities. But more recent stuff is painting them as more human than cartoon villain, so it would be cool to get a better look at their motivations.
Arent we sorta getting that with Andor?
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And then at the end of the series they get blown up in the Death Star
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Old 11-06-2022, 01:16 PM   #34
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But do it in a way that you don't even know they are on the Death Star until suddenly everything blows up and it just cuts to Han Solo going "Great shot kid! That was one in a million!"
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Well, we get a much better look into the lives of these imperial officers but not what got them there, or why they support the empire so strongly.
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Fantastic episode. Agree with the above two posts.
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Old 11-10-2022, 10:02 AM   #39
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I’ve said it many times but Star Wars with great dialogue is blowing my mind.
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Well… and I guess great monologues would be more accurate for this ep
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