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Old 01-26-2015, 08:34 AM   #1
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As a person who doesn't really know anything about Reigns and doesn't care that he won, the reason it seemed shitty to me had nothing to do with him... just the match itself seemed really shitty and boring and super anticlimactic... nothing cool happened, sorta just suddenly tossed people over the ropes without any "cool spots" or build up or whatever... was just like "ok..." Like even the end, when Ryback was still not out and he came back... before the crowd could even finish "popping," he just got boringly thrown out immediately... and Kane and Big Show being there @ the end... Daniel Bryan being eliminated super early so only a bunch of boring ass wrestlers were left for the rest of the match (and immediately eliminating any1 else who came in who seemed "exciting")... shitty
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Yep. The first and second halves of the Rumble were night and day.

It was clear that WWE knew Bryan getting eliminated would be booed. They just chose to get it out of the way early. Their big mistake though was thinking they'd turn the crowd back around in the second half of the match.
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Not a huge Rock mark, but if "The Great One" cannot turn a crowd around, there most likely isn't anyone withing the sports entertainment realm who can.
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Not a huge Rock mark, but if "The Great One" cannot turn a crowd around, there most likely isn't anyone withing the sports entertainment realm who can.
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Not a huge Rock mark, but if "The Great One" cannot turn a crowd around, there most likely isn't anyone withing the sports entertainment realm who can.
I'm still completely floored by that I can only imagine whats going on in that company right now
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:42 AM   #6
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http://time.com/3682093/cancel-wwe-n...-royal-rumble/

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I want to join the Cancel WWE Network movement, but at the end of the day I'm not sure it's going to make a difference. Me cancelling isn't going to stop WWE from shooting itself in the foot time and time again. I'd rather just enjoy NXT and the wonderful back catalogue available to me.

I've seen people on here say the product is way more enjoyable if you just don't waste your time with TV and go into PPVs blind. I will be doing that for Fast Lane. I've stuck with Raw for far longer than I should because 16 year habits are hard to break, but it's just hard to get motivated to spend 3 hours every week watching something that will invariably piss me off.

This is as good a time as any to pick back up on my plans of marathoning Nitro.
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Cancel it for now and resubscribe at "Fast Lane"
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Man. The more I think back to last night, the more I'm bummed out about how much of a sour taste the Rumble finish left in most peoples' mouths. The title match preceding it was awesome.
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Old 01-26-2015, 10:04 AM   #10
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Kind of weird that Cena isn't at the spearhead of this #PoopOnWWE movement
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Old 01-26-2015, 10:46 AM   #11
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Guys srsly can we talk about how good that triple threat match was? Rollins is incredible. I was never fully sold on him but after last night I'm coming around.
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Does anyone else think that The Rock coming down was them calling an audible? I feel bad for Reigns
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Old 01-26-2015, 11:10 AM   #14
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You know, forcing a square peg into a round hole hasn't worked for WWE in the past. This feels familiar. Like I've witnessed this before...

And no, I'm not talking about last year.
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Old 01-26-2015, 11:31 AM   #15
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I'm not gonna pretend to know anything about running a business, and I'm not gonna try and be like Francise or anyone who's gonna get all "lol IWC sheep" or whatever, bottom line, I'm a fan, I know what I like, what I don't like, and this Rumble match was boring. Nothing interesting happened. No really special moments occured. Just literally people come in, brawl, and get eliminated. Reigns winning was complete bullshit and uninteresting. I streamed it online so the only thing I'm gutted about wasting was my time. Lesnar vs. Reigns doesn't appeal to me at all. Crowd are gonna shit all over it.
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Old 01-26-2015, 11:34 AM   #16
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I do feel bad for Reigns though. Been put in this position that he very clearly isn't ready for. He has to act on-screen like this is his big moment and that the crowd aren't shitting all over him.
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I do feel bad for Reigns though. Been put in this position that he very clearly isn't ready for. He has to act on-screen like this is his big moment and that the crowd aren't shitting all over him.
Honestly me too the outrage I think is more for the company and Vince than him
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Absolutely. Reign's himself can't help this. Sure, he could have worked more to improve or whatever, but ultimately as others as said, who in their right mind would turn down this opportunity?!
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Absolutely. Reign's himself can't help this. Sure, he could have worked more to improve or whatever, but ultimately as others as said, who in their right mind would turn down this opportunity?!

On top of that having Him show up right after DB gets eliminated like we were supposed to look to him as some sort of hero

AND THEN a transparent and insulting attempt to prop him up using his relation to The Rock you could not have booked this any worse if you tried.
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I don't know. I still think the backlash is way overdone.

Like... okay. Say the DB scenario goes down exactly the same, early elimination etc. If instead of Reigns coming in and winning as he did right after, you put Rusev in that exact spot and had the exact same thing happen but with Rusev instead of Reigns.

Are you going to seriously tell me that you think Rusev is more "ready" than Reigns is? I don't buy it. Yeah Reigns isn't a great choice but he's better than the alternatives (DB winning notwithstanding)
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Rusev is more ready then Reigns, or at least he has someone who can speak for him. Rusev also doesn't feel like "Cena 2.0"
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But we knew going in they were gonna try to make a guy who isn't ready

Rusev would have if nothing else been a more interesting choice and a reason to kinda go okay where is this going the backlash might've been bad but it would not have been page crashing mainstream news worthy levels out rage
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Daniel Bryan would have been my first choice to win the rumble.
Rusev would have been my second.
Reigns my third but only because they haven't built anyone else up like him the whole year.
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I think Bryan would have been unanimously considered the best choice. Of the next two though, I think at gunpoint I'd still take Reigns over Rusev. Can see the argument for Rusev though, just personally I think Reigns is more ready than him at this point.
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I think the Rumble pissed off god too seeing as how RAW might not be on tonight
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I can't pick Reigns over Rusev because I forsee 2 months of "Jack and the Beanstalk" promos.
Brock vs Rusev also feels better to me from a wrestling stand point.
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Will Reigns really be painted as an underdog against Lesnar? Obviously Lesnar is a beast but Reigns has always been booked as the superman/muscle (going back to Shield) kind of figure. I think painting him as trying to "prove he can handle" Brock would be the wrong approach.

Of course, like you said, Rusev matches up physically moreso than Reigns, but Reigns should be booked to be on Brock's level if they want to salvage this thing at all.
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I think they will be booked as equals, reigns only has one pinfall loss in his career.

They need him to connect more with the fans, I think him acknowledging the boos tonight on raw would be a step in that direction instead of WWEs usual plan of "Ignore it and it will go away".

I wish they would give him the mic with no promo written up and tell him to speak from the heart about last night and how he feels.
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I think they will be booked as equals, reigns only has one pinfall loss in his career.

They need him to connect more with the fans, I think him acknowledging the boos tonight on raw would be a step in that direction instead of WWEs usual plan of "Ignore it and it will go away".

I wish they would give him the mic with no promo written up and tell him to speak from the heart about last night and how he feels.
Really, if what comes of this is they allow Reigns free reign (ha ha ha) on his promo work, it could be a blessing in disguise. Let's see some silver lining here baby
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I was at the show last night, and like Vito said, it was obvious that WWE just wanted to get Bryan outta the way so Roman can have a better shot of being cheered in the second half.

The Rumble should be used to get multiple people over, but instead it hindered several performers at the expense of Reigns, who was literally being boo'd so badly that I could barely hear his music in the arena.

I just wanted to mention how fucking awfully thought out this Rumble was, and list some guys who were truly screwed:

Reigns - The obvious one. Fucking wow. What are they doing to do this guy? He has a great look, seems to have a great head on his shoulders, and was developing nicely until around Summerslam. Also, it's fairly obvious that his opponent for WM is Lesnar, who has now been turned into the #1 babyface in the company. It wasn't like Lesnar was just cheered by a bunch of loud smarks, but the WWE wrote him as a babyface last night. If Reigns goes up against Lesnar at this point, with Lesnar leaving the next day, it has potential to get ugly very fast.

Ambrose - What the fuck? His only purpose in this match was similar (but to a much lesser extent obviously) to the Rock's. His popularity was attempted to get Reigns over with the crowd as they fought off Show and Kane at the end. Completely forgettable performance, but not due to a lack of effort by Dean, but because it was his job to throw punches for 10 minutes and then be "Roman's boy" in the final moments. Just fucking lame. No direction, no nothing. Literally tossed out like a piece of garbage by a duo of wrestlers who don't need any sort of rub, especially one at the Royal Rumble.

Ziggler - Ok so he wasn't booked to win it, fine. But why not have him come out a bit earlier and let this guy have a nice performance? I know the answer, and it's because WWE went out of their way to make Dolph look average to make Reigns look great. Two months ago, Dolph just beat the Authority. Last night, he lasted in the Rumble for 3 minutes. What the fuck is going on here?

Bryan - Vito hit the nail on the head. Essentially Bryan would have the first half of the Rumble, be eliminated, and Roman would have the second half in hopes of helping his cause. It made things even worse. Bryan was the most over guy in the match by a mile, not just in Philly, but anywhere, and he was out within 12 minutes. Not to mention, his elimination sets up no future storyline or direction.

Wyatt - What a first half he had. Showcased amazingly, bitching people out. I loved it. Then when the Roman Reigns Show began, he was completely lost in the shuffle, and tossed out by the Authority. What? So Wyatt has a monster performance, and we can't even get a babyface (please not named Roman), to dump him over the ropes? Why couldn't Ambrose get an ounce of heat back from the Wyatt feud and have a fun spot with him? Why couldn't Wyatt's WM opponent start some shit with him here? Just fucking brutal

Rusev - So, WWE couldn't let Roman and Rusev each grab a corner of the ring for all of 10 seconds so commentary and the audience (TV and arena) can establish that "These are our final two participants"? Instead, Rusev runs in the ring like a total goofball, runs into the Spear and tossed over the ropes before anyone can process, "Wow this Rusev guy is legit, making it to the finals in the Rumble."

I honestly think that last night may have been the worst booked Rumble match in history. I can't recall a worse one. Not only did the wrong wrestler win, but they did it at the expense of so many people

Anyways, I also wanted to point out how fucking awesome that triple threat was. Just wow, whatta match. Great stories told all around, lots of fun spots, tons of emotion by everyone involved. I loved every minute of it.

Cena did a great job here, Lesnar is just amazing, and Rollins is a star. This match could not have been any better. Excellent booking (I personally enjoyed the Lesnar face-turn spots, but it's truly baffling why Reigns is the one going after him this Mania season), and literally had me guessing until the very end.

Amazing how WWE can do such a perfect job orchestrating their show from 9:00-10:00 PM, and then completely shit the bed in the final hour. It truly does feel like there's two minds with totally different visions operating the machine.
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The Rumble should be used to get multiple people over, but instead it hindered several performers at the expense of Reigns, who was literally being boo'd so badly that I could barely hear his music in the arena.

. . .

I honestly think that last night may have been the worst booked Rumble match in history. I can't recall a worse one. Not only did the wrong wrestler win, but they did it at the expense of so many people

Anyways, I also wanted to point out how fucking awesome that triple threat was. Just wow, whatta match. Great stories told all around, lots of fun spots, tons of emotion by everyone involved. I loved every minute of it.

. . .
I absolutely agree. I can buy DB not winning the Rumble, but unless he's going to feud with Bray Wyatt to WM, since Bray eliminated him, having Bryant go out to so early created nothing. Heck, switch him with Ziggler and give him a final 4 standing. And have a heel eliminate him.

Ultimately, the second half of the rumble match was lackluster and illogical for all the reasons Mr. Pierre said. You can figure out ways to rescue yourself from the disappointment of not having DB win, but the writers did none of that. Having Kane and Big Show just knock people out and haul them over the ropes? That is entirely anticlimactic.


But yeah, the Championship Triple Threat was amazing. Watched the whole thing on an HD Stream, and man... elbow drop and Phoenix Splash were mark out moments. My only nitpicks are that Brock no-sold a little *too* much (I know he's a monster, but immediately getting up after 2 AA's and also a briefcase shot, and also how quickly he sprang from the tables after Rollins hit his Phoenix Splash were just a little too conveniently superhuman...he couldn't have spared just one or two more seconds?--again, nitpicks). But it was a great match.
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Honestly, I'd be happy if they scrapped the Rumble. This isn't an instant backlash to last night, but I said in another thread recently that the last time I actually enjoyed a Rumble match was 2011, and before that, probably 2006 or something.

The problem is, and what made 2011's so amazing, is that the choreography is just so shit. 2011, basically every single entrant had a spot prepared. Everyone came in, there were sequences everywhere, hell, even Chavo Guerrero got a pop from the crowd.

This Rumble, same as last years, and the year before etc, is just bland and boring as fuck. People come in, brawl, get eliminated in boring and uninteresting ways. Like Pierre said, Dean Ambrose, one of the top five babyfaces right now, just basically came out and threw punches for ten minutes. Same a Ziggler. Same as Reigns. Same as everyone else.

No disrespect to the man, but when the highlight of the Rumble is Bubba Ray fucking Dudley appearing, you know the match has well and truly ran it's course.
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Honestly, I'd be happy if they scrapped the Rumble. This isn't an instant backlash to last night, but I said in another thread recently that the last time I actually enjoyed a Rumble match was 2011, and before that, probably 2006 or something.

The problem is, and what made 2011's so amazing, is that the choreography is just so shit. 2011, basically every single entrant had a spot prepared. Everyone came in, there were sequences everywhere, hell, even Chavo Guerrero got a pop from the crowd.

This Rumble, same as last years, and the year before etc, is just bland and boring as fuck. People come in, brawl, get eliminated in boring and uninteresting ways. Like Pierre said, Dean Ambrose, one of the top five babyfaces right now, just basically came out and threw punches for ten minutes. Same a Ziggler. Same as Reigns. Same as everyone else.

No disrespect to the man, but when the highlight of the Rumble is Bubba Ray fucking Dudley appearing, you know the match has well and truly ran it's course.
Everything was choreographed beautifully for the first half of last night's Rumble. Bubba, the Dudley spots with Truth, the Wyatt Family stuff, Bray Wyatt tearing through a few jobbers including a Boogeyman mystery appearance, Bryan looking great when he first came in, DDP with Diamond Cutters for everybody, etc.

After Bryan was eliminated, it was almost like they stopped even trying. Yes the crowd were always going to sour after it happened, but literally nothing interesting happened after Bryan went out. The only spot I can remember after Bryan went out was the Kofi/Rosebuds. Everything else was just a disjointed mess.
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The biggest thing that Rusev would have going for him winning the Rumble instead of Reigns is that Lesnar could quite easily go into that match as the badass babyface. The fans already went apeshit for him the last 2 times he's appeared. And they probably will for him against Reigns all while the announcers try to portray Reigns as a conquering hero slaying the evil beast.
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Instead of trying to give Roman Reigns a push by being a relative of someone ... which never gets over (Erik Watts, Lance Von Erich, Dustin Rhodes in WCW), they should acknowledge that people are not cheering for him. Try to acknowledge and use the heat that Reigns is already getting. Attempt to recreate the "Die Rocky Die"days.

Have McMahon come out with Reigns and Cena and say the truth, something along the line of:
"I am the only major organization for Pro Wrestling. I will favor who I want and f*ck you too if you dont like it."

But then again maybe that wont work either.
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Instead of trying to give Roman Reigns a push by being a relative of someone ... which never gets over (Erik Watts, Lance Von Erich, Dustin Rhodes in WCW), they should acknowledge that people are not cheering for him. Try to acknowledge and use the heat that Reigns is already getting. Attempt to recreate the "Die Rocky Die"days.

Have McMahon come out with Reigns and Cena and say the truth, something along the line of:
"I am the only major organization for Pro Wrestling. I will favor who I want and f*ck you too if you dont like it."

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