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Old 07-12-2004, 09:53 PM   #1
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Flair > Hart

Flair comments on Hart (amongst others) where dead on...Bret Hart is a needs a good swift kick in the balls sometimes.

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Nah, if flair had any valid reason for bashing bret, it definitely would not have been about a situation he was never involved in. He had no reason to include it in his book. He just wanted to suck ass again and sell more copies by using a big tragedy and a bigger name then his.
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Old 07-12-2004, 09:55 PM   #2
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Nah, if flair had any valid reason for bashing bret, it definitely would not have been about a situation he was never involved in. He had no reason to include it in his book. He just wanted to suck ass again and sell more copies by using a big tragedy and a bigger name then his.
I never said that Flair was RIGHT to put the incident in the book...just that he had it dead on correct...I agree he really dosn't need to talk about it (then again neither does any of the Wrestler's in their autobiographies) but since that fact is past I pointed out that his comments on Bret, along with his comments on many other superstars, where dead on.
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Old 07-12-2004, 09:51 PM   #3
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Flair = washed up has been
Bret = along with Vince, and the rest of the wrestling world, NEEDS to forgot about Montreal
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Old 07-12-2004, 09:53 PM   #4
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1997 people. Almost 7 full years ago. Why the fuck can't it just be dropped.


(I am fully aware I brought up Bret being a whiney bitch earlier in thisthread, that was just for a laugh)
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Old 07-12-2004, 09:59 PM   #6
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1997
1997 people. Almost 7 full years ago. Why the fuck can't it just be dropped.


(I am fully aware I brought up Bret being a whiney bitch earlier in thisthread, that was just for a laugh)
The reason it can't...or wather won't be dropped...is this (pro wrestling) is what we find important. Just like Millie Vanille (or however you spell it) won the Grammy like 14 years ago and people still talk about it...it is a big deal, especially since there is blame to pass around on all 3 (HBK, Hart, McMahon)...the big question that gets to everyone though is who is to blame the most?
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Old 07-12-2004, 10:06 PM   #7
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Okay, This is what it comes down to in the end:

Bret should have done the job.
Vince is a total ass for doing what he did to Bret
HBK was a lier and an asshole


And BTW: Bret got Creative Control in the first place so Vince didn't have a chance to destroy his character and run it into the ground. This is why wrestlers get that. I remember watching a BRET interview and he said that when he was in his early WWF days, Piper said to him you need to get Creative Control later on so they do't try to bury your chracter.
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Okay, This is what it comes down to in the end:

Bret should have done the job.
Vince is a total ass for doing what he did to Bret
HBK was a lier and an asshole
We have an accord.

This is exactly how I feel about the Montreal situation, although I might add one more thing:

Bret should stop playing "innocent victim"
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Old 07-12-2004, 10:09 PM   #9
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Bret should have done the job.
Vince is a total ass for doing what he did to Bret
HBK was a lier and an asshole


As much as he, and countless fans disagree, doing the job, would have been the right, and professional thing to do that night.
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Old 07-12-2004, 10:50 PM   #10
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I compare the whole Bret Hart Montreal situation like this:

Say you work for a business for 10-15 years. You work your way from the bottom all the way to the top, in the process, doing everything that your asked to do. You don't jump ship for another "company" even though they are offering you alot more money, you agree to stay with who your working for because you are very loyal.

Then one day, the company you've been loyal to for 10-15 years, comes to you and tells you they can't afford to keep you anymore and to take the other job that's been offered to you. After all you've done for the company, wouldn't/shouldn't you expect to be appreciated and giving the choice to look good in front of everyone who respect's you?

We all know Bret would have done the right thing the next night on Raw. His 10-15 years of Loyalty proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Why does this light a fire under everybodies ass? Probably because everyone wonder's what things might have been like if Montreal never happened.
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I know we find it it important, I know the whole situation was wrong. There are so many factors to incorporate into it, 100% blame will never be placed.

I just find it hard to understand why an event that happned 7 years ago, still touches so many nerves with the slightest mention.

Back to the topic at hand....yeah, Ric Flair needs shooting.
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Old 07-12-2004, 10:10 PM   #12
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Roddy Piper???: I mean seriously...Roddy never trusted a single person in the business ever. It's not even like he had a bad experience where he got the shaft that changed him...he never worked for the good of the company, only for the good of Roddy. That's why he never got the big pushes when he was mass over....He always had his gaurd up on everyone...NWA, WWF, WCW...all of them, and he blames them for not pushing him to the moon. Well maybe they WOULD have if he would have been a team player.

For Bret to take ANY advice from Roddy (in the ring or out) is a damn shame because as much as I dislike Hitman, he is far suprior to Roddy in every way.
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Old 07-12-2004, 10:27 PM   #13
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Bret Hart will forever kick ass in my book.

Montreal was total bullshit, because while Bret
pulled what's now being called "The Pelinka Polka"
to go to WCW, there was no doubt he would have
dropped the belt on TV before leaving. There's
no way he would have vacated the belt and then
go on to WCW. No way, period.

This commentary was kind of funny though.
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Old 07-13-2004, 05:02 AM   #14
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Roddy Piper???: I mean seriously...Roddy never trusted a single person in the business ever. It's not even like he had a bad experience where he got the shaft that changed him...he never worked for the good of the company, only for the good of Roddy. That's why he never got the big pushes when he was mass over....He always had his gaurd up on everyone...NWA, WWF, WCW...all of them, and he blames them for not pushing him to the moon. Well maybe they WOULD have if he would have been a team player.

For Bret to take ANY advice from Roddy (in the ring or out) is a damn shame because as much as I dislike Hitman, he is far suprior to Roddy in every way.


Funny thing is Piper's advice was essentialy correct. They did screw Bret. Maybe he wasn't as paranoid as you believe.
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Youch! His comments on Flair are scathing, awesome but scathing. Not saying I agree with it all but wow. One thing about Bret he's never afraid to defend himself.
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Old 07-12-2004, 11:28 PM   #16
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Old 07-12-2004, 11:49 PM   #17
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Holy shit! Bret totally ripped flair a new asshole. That was even better then the one on OLe!!

Bret tells it like it is.
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Old 07-13-2004, 01:28 AM   #18
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I think Bret said it perfectly. I bought Flair's DVD to see what the fuss was all about. I had never watched a lot of NWA stuff before. I can honestly say that none of the matches on this set can match what Bret Hart could do.
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Old 07-13-2004, 01:34 AM   #19
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Hart was one of the best of his time. HBK was too, but backstage politics, the KLIQ, everything fucked everything up. You guys wonder why we will never see Bret Hart on WWE TV in the near future. Cause everytime they visit Canada, Vince rebrings it up just to dump shit on the fans in Montreal and the wrestling world. It happened 7 years ago, get the fuck off of it. Honestly, if you feel that poorly about something that happened 7 years ago, no matter how much of an asshole it made Vince or HBK look, it doesn't matter because what it all boils down to is one thing: IT WAS BUSINESS.
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Bret Hart is a whiny bitch.
Get over it.
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Old 07-13-2004, 01:40 AM   #22
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"For Flair to demean Randy Savage and Mick Foley is outrageous! In my
opinion, as someone who has worked with all three of them (and everybody else
from that era too) Ric Flair couldn't even lace up Randy and Mick’s boots! "
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"For Flair to demean Randy Savage and Mick Foley is outrageous! In my
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from that era too) Ric Flair couldn't even lace up Randy and Mick’s boots! "
Ric Flair was a million times the wrestler Mick Foley was, if Bret is questioning that than maybe that kicked did a bit more to his brain than we all thought.
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Ric Flair was a million times the wrestler Mick Foley was, if Bret is questioning that than maybe that kicked did a bit more to his brain than we all thought.
He was talking about how much they put in to their matches.
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And just for the record, I'm sick of Hart's seemingly holier than thou attitude.
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Have to agree with everything in that article, flairs classed as a "legend" but in the long run if you watch one flair match you may as well have watched his entire career because theres usually very little variation in his matches. How hard could it be to repeat the same routine night after night? Not as if he would have to work hard at it like other wrestlers, doing the same shit night after night you'd have the routine down after a month.
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:13 AM   #27
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I already know what Bret Hart writes in his little column....

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I'm the best there is, best there was, and best there ever will be! And to prove it I'm gonna ride my motorcycle, eh.
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Oh no. I've had a stroke, I can't bitch anymore. What's that all aboot?
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Oh wait, I can bitch, I just can't walk. That sounds like a fair trade to me, eh.
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:16 AM   #28
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Now I have to practice the FIVE VOWEL SOUNDS OF DOOM until I get the feeling in my lips back.
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NURSE! BRET HART CAN'T MOVE HIS ARM! HELP BRET HART TURN ON THE SWAN!
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Ric may be a decade older than me, but look who is the one in the wheelchair! Take that Flair! I've done something you haven't been able to do! Oh wait...
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*calls Miss Cleo*

Bret: Hello.

Cleo: Hello. You are aware this call is 7.99 a minute, correct?

Bret: Yes ma'am. So tell me..

Cleo: I'm sorry, but your bank account does not have 7.99 in it, goodbye.

*hangs up*

Bret: SCREWED AGAIN! *motions "PSYCHIC FRIENDS CONNECTION" in the air*
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That was heartless mitch, making fun of his stroke is one thing, but making fun of his finacial situation is another.
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That was heartless mitch, making fun of his stroke is one thing, but making fun of his finacial situation is another.
The financial situation insult is nowhere NEAR how I accused him of enjoying The Swan.

That was the one that bought me my ticket to Hell.
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:40 AM   #35
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It seems the flair fans have come out and cant stand the fact flair was exposed as the fraud he always has been.

Ahhh, Bret you've been gone from the company almost 7 years, yet you still draw the most passion and heated debates from the fans after all this time. That's saying something.

People just cant stop thinking of this man.
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:45 AM   #36
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Loopy,

Vince is the one who cant let Montreal go. All of his major angles from Nov 1997 to like 2002 or something were all based on Montreal in some aspect. And even after that he had HBk do that bit in Montreal where they played up the Screwjob on RAW. So never doubt this, its Vince who cant let it go.

Anyway, I used to be against Bret on the Montreal issue, but the more I read ont he issue (thanks motly to Meltzer) the more sympathy I have for Bret. Yeah Bret could have just jobbed to HBK in Montreal, but why shoudl he when HBK said to his face that he wouldn't do the same for Bret? Bret had the clause (which was put in his contract by Vince who was not under duress when the ocntract was signed FYI), so wyhy shouldn't he be able to use it?

The only way Bret would come off as an ass in that situation if he would have been difficult about how to JOB the belt.

One main reason why I used to side with Vince on this issue is the fear that Bret would show up on Nitro with the WWE Title. But if Vince really knew Bret like he claimed he did, then he would know Bret would NEVER do something like that to disrespect the WWE.

Yeah Bret could have bent over backwards to help HBK and Vince, but they weren't doing anything for him (after so many years of service) so why should he do even more for them?

As for Bret's comments, I loved them, he put Flair in his place. Man would I love to have the tape of his talking down to Flair.
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Old 07-13-2004, 02:50 AM   #37
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But Bret made himself a hypocrite, he refused to job to Shawn because Shawn refused to job to him. That's extremely mature. Creative control or no creative control, he's still a hypocrite.

All parties involved are guilty.
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But Bret made himself a hypocrite, he refused to job to Shawn because Shawn refused to job to him. That's extremely mature. Creative control or no creative control, he's still a hypocrite.

All parties involved are guilty.
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It's hard to do something for someone who is a disgrace to the way the business should go down. I think that is how Bret thought of it, and I couldn't blame him.
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It's hard to do something for someone who is a disgrace to the way the business should go down. I think that is how Bret thought of it, and I couldn't blame him.
Does that make him any less of a hypocrite?
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But Bret made himself a hypocrite, he refused to job to Shawn because Shawn refused to job to him. That's extremely mature. Creative control or no creative control, he's still a hypocrite.

All parties involved are guilty.
Wrong, if I have a contract with a company that says I get to choose my replacement and then I go ahead and exercise that clause in my contract that doesn't make me guilty of anything. Thats just living up to the contract.

The only way you could accuse him if Bret would have said the only way I'm dropping the title is if I lose a 20 on 1 match and nobody actually beats him for the title. He didn't do anything like that, so Vince is guilty of creating a bad situation.
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