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Old 11-12-2015, 09:55 PM   #1
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For some comparisons, last year's UK Raw show had around a million more people watching for the 3rd hour. Almost a million more also watching for the average viewership.

Drop this week was pretty large even by taped RAW show comparisons.
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Well that's only because of something to do with what the internet fans wanted causing a rating's drop. I'm sure of it.
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Old 11-13-2015, 09:07 AM   #3
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As usual you guys can't debate an actual point.

MNF matchup two weeks ago was nothing to write home about. This week was bad as well, and the number dropped more significantly than WWE.

We're any of you guys more interested than normal in getting the spoilers? I was. As a result I watched less of the show because I knew the outcome. Rather than saying whether or not you were more or less interested in spoilers than a run of the mill UK show, you ignore the point. Cool way to debate.

And even if you don't agree with any of that, the number was only down a couple percent week over week.
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Old 11-13-2015, 09:29 AM   #4
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It's quite obvious that peoples attention spans can't be kept glued to one tv channel for 190 minutes straight anymore unless it's football.
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Old 11-13-2015, 10:36 AM   #6
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I'm just tired of the NFL and WWE going PG/PC, that's why I don't consume every second of their events. There are other modes of entertainment that don't have a restrain and people are figuring it out.
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Old 11-13-2015, 12:05 PM   #7
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That and the whole layout to a Monday night. Survivor Series being dedicated to Undertaker is pretty choice though
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Mods, please change thread title to Smackdown ratings highest in 3 months. Crisis is over. The product is great again. Neilsen justified that belief.
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Raw dropped under 3 million viewers last night.

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Probably had something to do with DirecTV DVRs not recording Raw, didn't notice it wasn't recording til 9:30
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Probably had something to do with DirecTV DVRs not recording Raw, didn't notice it wasn't recording til 9:30
Or people saying "fuck this noise" after watching/reading about Survivor Series.
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Or people saying "fuck this noise" after watching/reading about Survivor Series.
Could be but really Sheamus was their best option. Did not want to see Reigns holding the title trying to be John Cena on the mic. A lot more people would have tuned in had Ambrose won the title.
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Probably had something to do with DirecTV DVRs not recording Raw, didn't notice it wasn't recording til 9:30
The 3rd hour fell to 2.7 million people. I wouldn't be surprised if it keeps falling until they bring Lesnar back.
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I for one am shocked, shocked I tell you that Sheamus/Roman Reigns are not ratings super magnets

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I for one am shocked, shocked I tell you that Sheamus/Roman Reigns are not ratings super magnets
Neither can draw. I'm sure they are trying to get Cena back ASAP because at least he would bring them above 3 million although not by much.
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Old 11-24-2015, 05:26 PM   #21
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I for one am shocked, shocked I tell you that Sheamus/Roman Reigns are not ratings super magnets
Sheamus has a really bad history of being a ratings drainer especially as champion or the focus of a show. Was one of the big reasons why people complained at him winning the MitB case since it was more likely nothing good would happen in the end.

When quarterly or segment breakdowns used to be revealed, him and Orton were almost always the big droppers in terms of stars. Think Sheamus still owns the record for worst segment drop at almost a million a few years ago.
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They don't want to give Ambrose the ball and not being able to elevate newer stars is going to cause ratings to keep falling until Royal Rumble when they typicality rebound. The question is how much lower can they go before Vince thinks about trying something different than what he's been doing in not elevating certain talent. Ambrose may not be able to draw at first, but he's not been given the proper time to be a household name.
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WWE's Survivor Series, particularly the event's finish, was widely met with negative reviews and utter disappointment from observers. Not only did the company put forth mundane matches that failed to captivate the audience -- those in attendance in Atlanta and others watching around the world -- it replicated a clunky finish from a pay-per-view just one year earlier. The end result -- a new World Heavyweight Champion in Sheamus that no one desires to see as part of the main event picture -- left many shaking their heads.

Count former WWE champion and one of the company's most popular performers this century, Mick Foley, among those displeased with WWE's creative direction. In a 400+ word Facebook post, Foley said matter-of-factly that he is "on the verge of becoming a former WWE fan."

I'm tired of being told through Raw, Smackdown and PPV's that WWE superstars I have rooted for - from Ziggler to Cesaro to Kevin Owens aren't top stars - no matter how strongly crowd reaction seems to disagree. I'm tired of NXT stars getting their big "break" in WWE, just to be treated like jokes.
Foley specifically notes how WWE has completely failed to capitalize not only on the male wrestlers drawing positive reactions from the crowd but also female performers who are promoted well on the company's NXT developmental show but hardly given any time to "get over" with the crowd on major WWE shows like Monday Night Raw and Smackdown.

"I think I can get used to watching football games on Monday night again," wrote Foley, referring to his changing the channel from Raw this past week. "If I leave, it's not just one disgruntled former fan; finding something else to do on Monday nights. Instead, losing a long-time, die-hard fan like me might well be an indication of a larger exodus from WWE."

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Yeah, but what successful wrestling territory has CBS Sports ever booked? Or Mick Foley? Or that 10% drop? This is the most successful revenue year in the WWE's history, and we all know the WWE Network will definitely be en vogue for years to come.
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For some perspective:

MNF featured the undefeated New England Patriots, one of the biggest draws in the sport. As a result MNF had more than 2 million viewers WoW or a 17% gain.

RAW lost 300K viewers WoW or a 10% decline in viewership. Keep in mind, this is before any DVR numbers are calculated.

Another show I track on Monday's is this Love and Hip Hop show on VH1 which does well on Mondays. It was down 13% in viewership. I tried to see if there was panick on the L&HH message board, but couldn't find the thread on ratings. Its a good indication that RAW wasn't so much bad, as MNF just had the game that casual fans felt was can't miss.

RAW was as usual one of the top 3 most watched things on cable on Monday night. It usually hovers between #2 and #3, depending on how well Sportscenter does (up 9% this week). Clearly football was devastating to RAW this week, but it'll be intetesting to see if the DVR numbers make up some of the decline WoW. That said, declines are never a good thing, but context is important.
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MNF featured the undefeated New England Patriots, one of the biggest draws in the sport. As a result MNF had more than 2 million viewers WoW or a 17% gain.
I wonder if the patriots played last year on MNF, I wonder what the numbers were then.
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I might be wrong on this given I live in a different country, but I'm fairly certain this National Football League we're hearing about is more than a couple of years old, and may in fact have been playing every year at this time for every one of the last 18 years. If they did better ratings that entire time, I'm wondering if the football defense may have a hole or two in there.

Im not denying that competition isn't an issue, but its time to look in the mirror.
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I might be wrong on this given I live in a different country, but I'm fairly certain this National Football League we're hearing about is more than a couple of years old, and may in fact have been playing every year at this time for every one of the last 18 years. If they did better ratings that entire time, I'm wondering if the football defense may have a hole or two in there.

Im not denying that competition isn't an issue, but its time to look in the mirror.
but this year the NFL drugged the audience to all over the states to strictly tune into the patriots vs the bills
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I might be wrong on this given I live in a different country, but I'm fairly certain this National Football League we're hearing about is more than a couple of years old, and may in fact have been playing every year at this time for every one of the last 18 years. If they did better ratings that entire time, I'm wondering if the football defense may have a hole or two in there.

Im not denying that competition isn't an issue, but its time to look in the mirror.
As I've stated, any ratings decline is not good. But when other shows show the same pattern as RAW (worse actually) it indicates that on that week, football siphoned viewers.
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I wonder if the patriots played last year on MNF, I wonder what the numbers were then.
You can't compare games YoY. We're the Pats undefeated when they played, was it this far into the season? Were other entertainment shows trending in the same direction as RAW.

But don't worry gloss over the entire point.
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network subs aren't really a great indicator of why people are signing up. is it for new content or the old content? to use that as an indicator of anything other than revenue, we'd need the number of views on the videos available.

yes, having a successful network is great for business, but how much is based on nostalgia and how much on the current product? i'd be more interested in knowing that.
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:43 PM   #36
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You know if WWE wanted to make more money off the network they should sell timeslots to promotions they good with. Promotions like Reality of Wrestling and Evolve would be great in the network. Probably won't but its just a thought I had.
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For some comparisons, this was last year's viewership for the same week:

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Hour one - 4.73 million
Hour two - 3.99 million
Hour three - 4.01 million
Average - 4.23 million
Massive drop even by the usual comparisons (around 250k-500k drop average yearly).
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Ha!

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Why?
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It's sad that Cynicks arguments are inevitably the ones that are being made at the top of WWE too. Just churn out the next batch of samsie TV, nothing exciting, keep the motor running...Cena will be back soon and we can rely on him again. It's sad.
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