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Old 11-11-2015, 02:58 PM   #1
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Yeah, I know but just feel like Ambrose has that Stone Cold factor to him where people can relate to him. It could be done but his character is so great as a face I couldn't see him as a sell out chicken shit heel hiding behind HHH. Just feel like Roman or even Cesaro could use a heel turn.
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Old 11-15-2015, 05:40 AM   #2
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Cesaro as the new Authority sponsored Champion?
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Cesaro as the new Authority sponsored Champion?
I think he might win the tournament...but not the title.
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Old 11-15-2015, 05:41 AM   #4
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Ironically enough, my phone just autocorrected Cesaro to "creative".
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Old 11-15-2015, 08:37 PM   #5
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They should give Rollins more days as champion to match up with Survivor Series.
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They should retroactively give whoever wins the tournament some of Rollins' days so we can pretend that horrible reign didn't last as long.
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If it's Owens I'm okay with that. He's been the MVP. Rollins had been the MVP months before he was the champion though so you have to add him some of Brock's time for being an absentee champion.
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The truth is, this tourney has the ability to be something much bigger than "wow this guy got far, a small push" with Roman ultimately winning, and turning heel.

Sadly, it'll probably be just that. Cesaro winning. Owens winning. Hell, anyone but Roman winning would be a nice swerve. But I doubt it.
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The truth is, this tourney has the ability to be something much bigger than "wow this guy got far, a small push" with Roman ultimately winning, and turning heel.

Sadly, it'll probably be just that. Cesaro winning. Owens winning. Hell, anyone but Roman winning would be a nice swerve. But I doubt it.
I know you're not alone in that belief, but I find it odd.

A lot of people on here criticize WWE for planning things out long term, but when they do, it seems like people still crap on it. Roman was probably pushed too quickly heading into 31, but they pumped the brakes, and have allowed him to simmer for the past 6 months or so. He had a long program with Wyatt, and he came off real strong in the blowoff at HIAC. So to me, just speaking as a fan of the TV show, I feel like it's his time.

I'm not trying to say Roman is the perfect guy to carry the company, but at the same time, he does have a lot of attributes you want in a world champion. He's unfortunately also lacking in one key one (talking), which may ultimately cripple him. But I still think its worth the chance to payoff this storyline.

I also think there's a lot of business in having the Finals come down to Ambrose and Reigns, because it allows WWE to really sell how strong The Shield was. Very similar to Evolution in that all three guys in the group became/were World Champions. And even better for The Shield because they came in fresh and now have all reached great heights. Will be interested to see how they handle Rollins coming back. I think they have an opportunity to reunite The Shield if Triple H has a new gang of guys in The Authority.
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:17 AM   #10
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If Roman turns heel, joins the authority and gives the shaft to Ambrose, it's instantly far more interesting than anything Roman's done post Shield.

It sets up an easy and new feud with Ambrose, which could lead to Ambrose v Hunter while Reigns goes into Mania as champion against whoever wins the Rumble, with my choice being Lesnar.

Heel Roman gets the benefit of getting the Authority to do his talking and can cut heel promos, which may come more naturally for him.
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I support Roman winning if he turns heel. Total zzz storyline if he wins and doesn't turn.
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I'd like for it to happen, but I bet the WWE is too stubborn.
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Old 11-16-2015, 07:26 PM   #13
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Simmering doesn't matter if they put Reigns back into the oven and turn it all the way up at Survivor Series.
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Is this a turkey reference?
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I feel like Roman was ready to get the title as well, and I would have had him beat Rollins. However, I am unsure now if that is the best move now... sucks for Reigns that he won't get that "rub" from beating Rollins.... now if he does win it via the tournament it will feel a bit "anti-climactic" for his journey...
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I feel like Roman was ready to get the title as well, and I would have had him beat Rollins. However, I am unsure now if that is the best move now... sucks for Reigns that he won't get that "rub" from beating Rollins.... now if he does win it via the tournament it will feel a bit "anti-climactic" for his journey...
Yeah I agree, but I think long term it works better. They did a really good job keeping Rollins and Reigns apart post Mania. You had Reigns now ready to finally get a proper one on one match with Rollins, but it got messed up. From a babyface climbing the mountain perspective, Reigns has been through it. He survived against Wyatt in the brutal HIAC match, he won the initial #1 contender series. And now if he goes through 15 other guys to the win the title, thats impressive. At the same time, if Rollins comes back as a babyface and Reigns is still the champ, they dont have to fight right away, but you could have Rollins saying "well you know, I never really lost that title". And that could lead to a nice face vs face program maybe for Mania 33.
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I would suggest that a Reigns babyface run at top would be a turkey, yes.
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well its Thanksgiving time, so turkey make sense
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The problem isn't with Reigns -- it's with his presentation and him being jammed down the audience's throat. It doesn't matter that the heat is dying down and that they didn't put the title on him at WrestleMania -- if you put the belt on him now, all that negativity just pops right back up.
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Yep. Reigns could be a lot better but they try to present him as Cena 2.0 and he's not good at it. His in ring work is weak and has to be carried through matches so he can do his Samoan Drop, Apron Kick, Clotheslines, a Superman Punch, and a spear. He has potential but its not as the top babyface at not in its current presentation.
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I know this is too much to ask for, but a finish that doesn't centre TV around The Authority for the next year would be welcome. Very welcome, in fact.
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Yep. Reigns could be a lot better but they try to present him as Cena 2.0 and he's not good at it. His in ring work is weak and has to be carried through matches so he can do his Samoan Drop, Apron Kick, Clotheslines, a Superman Punch, and a spear. He has potential but its not as the top babyface at not in its current presentation.
A babyface only needs 5-6 moves. They should be able to kick, punch, and sell their way through the rest. He brought the crowd up against Wyatt and was good in making people think Cesaro had a chance last night. The promos still need work though. That's going to be his biggest challenge, because he doesn't seem natural at it.
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The BEST reaction you are going to get for him is general apathy and a few girls/children popping.
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What does Reigns have that no one else in the WWE has that warrants him getting the belt right now? There's not really one thing.
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"Big" signature moves, being presented as strong, and having the booking team behind him.
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"Big" signature moves, being presented as strong, and having the booking team behind him.
Here are answers that make sense. It's basically a corporate wham-job.
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:33 AM   #28
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What does Reigns have that no one else in the WWE has that warrants him getting the belt right now? There's not really one thing.
Size, unique look, presence, established finisher, sells merch
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Size? Let's talk weight:

Big E, Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, D-Von Dudley, Erick Rowan, Jack Swagger, Kane, Kevin Owens, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Rusev, Ryback, Sheamus, Titus O'Neil and The Undertaker are all either heavier than Reigns, or billed as being heavier.

Let's talk height:

Alberto Del Rio, Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, Cesaro, Curtis Axel, Damien Sandow, Dean Ambrose, Erick Rowan, Fandango, Goldust, Jack Swagger, Jimmy Uso, Kane, King Barrett, Konnor, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Randy Orton, The Rock, Titus O'Neil, Triple H, The Undertaker are all either as tall as Reigns, or taller.

Wrestlers that appear on both lists:

Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, Erick Rowan, Jack Swagger, Kane, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Titus O'Neil and The Undertaker.

I'll let you run those stats.
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Size? Let's talk weight:

Big E, Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, D-Von Dudley, Erick Rowan, Jack Swagger, Kane, Kevin Owens, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Rusev, Ryback, Sheamus, Titus O'Neil and The Undertaker are all either heavier than Reigns, or billed as being heavier.

Let's talk height:

Alberto Del Rio, Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, Cesaro, Curtis Axel, Damien Sandow, Dean Ambrose, Erick Rowan, Fandango, Goldust, Jack Swagger, Jimmy Uso, Kane, King Barrett, Konnor, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Randy Orton, The Rock, Titus O'Neil, Triple H, The Undertaker are all either as tall as Reigns, or taller.

Wrestlers that appear on both lists:

Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, Erick Rowan, Jack Swagger, Kane, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Titus O'Neil and The Undertaker.

I'll let you run those stats.
That certainly is a list of names. Way to contribute bud.

I dont understand your counterpoint here. As usual, I think you feel like you have a point, but you haven't effectively articulated it.

Are you thinking I said everyone over a certain height and weight should be pushed?
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I mean, he came out of a feud with Bray Wyatt looking strong! Which NO ONE does! SUPER impressive! IT'S TIME, GUYS!
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I mean, he came out of a feud with Bray Wyatt looking strong! Which NO ONE does! SUPER impressive! IT'S TIME, GUYS!
Who else looked as strong coming off a Wyatt program? Cena? He's already well established. Taker? Ditto.

Or are you talking nonsense again Corny?
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Who else looked as strong coming off a Wyatt program? Cena? He's already well established. Taker? Ditto.

Or are you talking nonsense again Corny?
You are just proving his point that EVERYONE comes out of a Wyatt feud looking strong. Sarcasm, flat words on a screen, titties, etc.
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You are just proving his point that EVERYONE comes out of a Wyatt feud looking strong. Sarcasm, flat words on a screen, titties, etc.
So Cena, Taker, and now Reigns. You guys are right, there's no reason anyone should be taking Reigns seriously when he's in the company of guys like that. And what a jobber Wyatt had turned into. Imagine losing to the face of the franchise, the guy who has been on top for 25 years and the up and coming top babyface. Burrrrrrried. Amirite?
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So Cena, Taker, and now Reigns. You guys are right, there's no reason anyone should be taking Reigns seriously when he's in the company of guys like that. And what a jobber Wyatt had turned into. Imagine losing to the face of the franchise, the guy who has been on top for 25 years and the up and coming top babyface. Burrrrrrried. Amirite?
Should I list guys who have jobbed to John Cena as if that's an accomplishment or nah?

Because I feel like it would be really dumb and pointless to start listing guys who have jobbed to John Cena as if JOBBING to John Cena is a rite of passage or something and actually means you're relevant. I feel like BEATING people is a sign that you're relevant as opposed to losing to them (I mean... even I could lose to John Cena... losing to someone is quite easy...) but that could just be me. I haven't been on in a couple days so there could be a ton of posts explaining how losing lots of matches means that beating you is a huge accomplishment so if there are then please disregard this post.
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Disagree, only having 5 or 6 moves is weak in my opinion. Especially the moves Reigns uses. He's a big guy that hardly ever uses power moves. I mean beating Big Show with a spear is dumb. He needs to open up his move set but he won't because WWE isn't wrestling so he just needs moves that will make people say wow until they get sick of seeing the same shot over and over. I understand how you love the product so much because its the only wrestling you watch and you don't know anything else.
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I only watch the NFL, I don't watch the CFL or the AFL or any other small time organization. Same applies to my sports entertainment. What would I get from watching another product? How to be less successful?

Regardless, I've been watching this game long enough to know a top guy, especially a babyface really just needs a handful of moves. You just need to know when to use them in the context of a match to hype the crowd. Look at most of the all time greats, when they hit it big they stuck to a handful of moves. If you don't believe me, ask Austin.

I'm not saying Reigns couldn't benefit from a couple extra moves, but it's not critical. And he will develop more moves as he starts having longer matches on a more consistent basis and needs that series of moves when he's making a comeback.
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