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Old 05-25-2016, 11:24 AM   #1
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I think RAW should go back down to 2 hours, especially if they are going to have half the roster to fill it with.

A brand split is a good idea in theory, that will allow guys to get over who would otherwise never get that chance.

Worried that even with Smackdown going live, though, that it will quickly revert to being treated as the B-Brand that builds up superstars before they get traded to RAW, RAW squanders them and messes them up bad, and then ships them back to Smackdown after no one cares about them anymore.
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Old 05-25-2016, 11:34 AM   #2
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I wonder if they decide to do this because talent was unhappy and started leaving.
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Old 05-25-2016, 11:39 AM   #3
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All champions should be on both shows. Their tag division sucks so I hope they don't break any teams up. The only good I could see from this is NXT getting raided for Smackdown. Joe, Nakamura, Aries, and Balor are all to good for NXT and could come up to Smackdown. See Ambrose and Styles as Smackdown guys as well.
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Old 05-25-2016, 11:52 AM   #4
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The only way people will get over is important matches in good programs on television. This splits up shows so that more people will have to be featured who would normally either not work that night or have a meaningless Dark match, superstars or main event which only people watch if they forget to turn off a live stream of wwe network after watching something good.

Roster is deep. You evelvate talent so it's not the same tired matchups. In wrestling it's alot to to with how you present your talent not really about the talent of the superstar. With the right set up you can elevate mid to main. This is the right way to go.
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All champions should be on both shows.
They should have the WHC, the Tag Titles, and the Women's title float between shows. Make the US and IC exclusive to a brand.
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They should have the WHC, the Tag Titles, and the Women's title float between shows. Make the US and IC exclusive to a brand.
With them announcing the Cruiserweight Classic is for a title I could see them binging back the Cruiserweight Championship and have it be a Smackdown title.
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Old 05-25-2016, 12:17 PM   #7
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So would tag teams and women float between shows too?
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Yes! I love when they do drafts!
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Yes! I love when they do drafts!
Recently watched all the old drafts (excluding the month long 2006 draft after the inintial Cena move), great stuff.

Whilst I have reservations over the split, I'm looking forward to the actual draft.
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Old 05-25-2016, 03:23 PM   #10
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AJ Styles vs Randy Orton for the Smackdown title by the end of the year.
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Old 05-25-2016, 03:58 PM   #11
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Oh my lord. 3 hours on Monday and 2 on Tuesday. That is a TON of wrestling.
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Old 05-25-2016, 04:26 PM   #12
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Oh my lord. 3 hours on Monday and 2 on Tuesday. That is a TON of wrestling.
It really is. PPV weekends will give me three hours to watch on a Monday, around 2 hours 15 minutes for Tuesday, and a further 1.5 hours on Wednesday. Plus NXT on Thursday.

To be fair, I haven't watched SD for months, the fact that SmackDown is going live, and featuring exclusive guys has piqued my interest, so kudos to WWE for that.
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Old 05-25-2016, 03:58 PM   #13
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I wish that WWE would make the US and IC titles a permanent fixture of Raw or Smackdown, and then float the Tag, Women's, and World Heavyweight every week.
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I am so fucking psyched for this.
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I just hope that both rosters have their separate belts. There is no way a wrestler like Dean Ambrose or Dolph Ziggler will have the chance to become champion on RAW.
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Problem with 2 belts is one gets deluded and labeled as a second tier title. That's what happened last time.
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Old 05-25-2016, 04:50 PM   #17
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It happened after the brand extension rules were relaxed. I distinctly remember many PPV main events with the championship associated with Smackdown on the line.
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Old 05-25-2016, 05:51 PM   #18
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I hope they don't try to do seperate PPVs at least until they've established strong and deep rosters. They've got a lot of work to do to revive a bunch of people. The solo PPVs "back in the day" often felt really lightweight at times.
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Old 05-25-2016, 05:59 PM   #19
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Feels like Smackdown is going to end up being treated the same as usual after a while except now its going to cost the WWE more money to do the shows since it would be live. Wouldn't be surprised if the USA Network is helping covering costs or threw in some incentives to make this happen now.

Injury crisis or not, the roster is deep enough in quality to make a brand split work and in theory more people should benefit but don't see the WWE being that committed in the long term for Samckdown's benefit.
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My initial reaction is to be very much against this idea.

We are only just beginning to rebuild the WWE roster and solidify characters as "superstars." But it's going to take more time before we have the kind of roster depth of quality that we had when the first brand split occurred. By separating the roster, I fear that the product as a whole will lose the momentum that they were just starting to rebuild.

My point I guess is just this: the WWE struggles on a weekly basis to put out one quality product per week, with a mediocre step-child being produced as a far second. I don't have faith in them to be able to properly produce TWO quality products per week.


On the other hand, I also have a strong feeling that there is more to this sudden announcement and idea than meets the eye. If the rumors of dissension backstage are true, perhaps Shane McMahon will be given one show, and Stephanie/Triple H will be given the other show, in the ultimate battle to see who will take over the WWE when Vince dies. That, and he probably just gets off on watching his kids fight over his legacy.
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I'm sure there's lots to the decision.

I'm already infinitely more interested in SD than I have in months. Same for a bunch of people I would imagine.

Whilst the rosters aren't all that deep right now they do have Cena, Orton, Wyatt, Harper, Rowan, Strowman, Neville, Alicia Fox, Emma, Naomi, Nikki Bella, Sasha, Tamina, Big Show, Henry, Kane, Konnor, and Ryback (maybe) waiting in the wings.

Plus there are over 40 superstars on the NXT roster currently, and the "development brand" is becoming increasingly "top heavy", especially with guys on contracts better than the usual development rate; at some point WWE will want to cash-in on the likes of Finn Balor, Samoa Joe, Shinsuke Nakamura, Austin Aries, etc.
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This sounds intriguing, but like everyone else, I'm concerned that they'll just botch it, based on past results.


They can't even handle however many storylines they currently have across RAW and SD. Now they have to double that. Unless they're hiring more writers, I feel like they'll just have more filler and nowhere near double the storylines.
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They can't even handle however many storylines they currently have across RAW and SD. Now they have to double that. Unless they're hiring more writers, I feel like they'll just have more filler and nowhere near double the storylines.
This is also true. The idea that the brand split will improve or make the writing and under performing talent better is an illogical fallacy.
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This is also true. The idea that the brand split will improve or make the writing and under performing talent better is an illogical fallacy.
I heard they have 12 writers now, six for each brand is enough. This will help the story because instead of having to produce 5 hours of a story each week you only have to produce 2 or 3.

Imagine having to write a Game of thrones episode that was 5 hours each week.
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I heard they have 12 writers now, six for each brand is enough. This will help the story because instead of having to produce 5 hours of a story each week you only have to produce 2 or 3.

Imagine having to write a Game of thrones episode that was 5 hours.
That's great in theory sure. It doesn't guarantee an improvement in quality though for either or both shows, just that one show MIGHT be better than the other.

Not to mention the fact that one show (cough, Raw, cough, cough) will always be seen as the "premier" show by most people, including fans, talent, Vince, office, backstage, etc. Even if Smackdown actually ends up being better than Raw in quality content, Raw's been around longer, has the more established brand, is more iconic, etc. A brand split isn't going to change that, let alone all the other flaws in WWE's writing, creative, booking, production, content, etc. This is just a way for Vince and everyone to feel better about the product and distract the fans from the fact that nothings really going to change or improve. Same company, same folks in charge, more of the same.
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Hope they don't have separate PPVs. Feel like the PPvs should be more of a super show with both rosters.
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I have waited for this moment for a long time.

I think Vince & Co. have learned from their mistakes from the brand split's dying days and have decided to give the brand split another shot. It's been said before but this has already gained my interest in SmackDown, with it being live and having it's own roster soon.

So many guys will get a chance to at least be on TV with a brand split in place and they'll be so much more variety for us to watch, which I'm really looking forward to, as even though I've just started getting back into everything after a nine month absence, there's already a few guys of sick of seeing.
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They could have a network special for the show that doesn't get a PPV that month to make it all relevant. There was nothing worse than having nothing doing for a month on either Raw and Smackdown when the other brand had a PPV on the way.

It could go either way. They aren't in the era of 40 dollar per ppvs. Separate PPVs was a tough sell in that sense.
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I actually like them having their own ppvs. It gives feuds a longer time to burn and the big 4 can be the Superbowl shows.

Imagine Cena avid Owens having the same feud but spreading the 3 matches out over 6 months instead of 3 due to having to wait an extra month.

I agree that it'll take time to build up the shows to that point so maybe you don't have brand exclusive shows until after the Rumble or even Mania.
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According to the Observer, TNA is going to end up as the biggest loser with this decision since Impact will end up going head-to-head against Smackdown for at least 1 hour on Tuesdays.

They have no leverage to move while every other day possible in the week won't really improve things or already has tough competition guaranteed.
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Also according to the Observer, WWE is currently preparing another major talent raid to help fill out the rosters, NXT itself might be ending as a unique brand due to the mass callups planned to be happening, World (Big Gold Belt) is likely coming back, and a safe bet Reigns and Cena will be the main stars of each brand.

In terms of wrestlers possibly getting more time off now that the rosters would be split, Observer hinted the opposite might happen with more house shows being planned to happen.
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I can see Cena being the main guy on SmackDown, as his in-ring career slowly dwindles down.
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Also according to the Observer, WWE is currently preparing another major talent raid to help fill out the rosters, NXT itself might be ending as a unique brand due to the mass callups planned to be happening, World (Big Gold Belt) is likely coming back, and a safe bet Reigns and Cena will be the main stars of each brand.

In terms of wrestlers possibly getting more time off now that the rosters would be split, Observer hinted the opposite might happen with more house shows being planned to happen.
What does that mean!?
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What does that mean!?
Possibly no more live specials or ppvs in general. Being rumored they are dropping NXT house shows after mid-June.

Also rumored to be going back as a pure developmental thing like it was before it got huge. TV/Network wise, still will be shown till at least the current tv contracts end.
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Possibly no more live specials or ppvs in general. Being rumored they are dropping NXT house shows after mid-June.

Also rumored to be going back as a pure developmental thing like it was before it got huge. TV/Network wise, still will be shown till at least the current tv contracts end.
Noooooooooooooo

NXT was the best wrestling experience on my life as a fan in Dallas for WM weekend. It's so much better than RAW/Smackdown often. Nooooooooooooo
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Probably going to raid the NXT roster so NXT is truly a developmental promotion. I'm fine with it as I think most the top guys in NXT don't belong there.
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Excited for the return of the WWE Draft.

I'd be more than happy, if live coverage on TV isn't done, to provide such here in up-to-the-second updates, or just throw up something for those who don't catch it on TV, and if there's a supplemental online bit, I could include that as well, if demand for such merits it.
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Will go down exactly the same as before.
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Interesting, might actually start watching Smackdown again. There should only be one Heavyweight title though.
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make smackdown into WCW NITRO - have bischoff run it. HE could feud with flair for power then the NWO can do a run in...er....walk in...er..limp in..erm...phone it in like they used to do
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