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Old 11-13-2017, 08:39 PM   #1
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Remember when Stephanie McMahon took over creative and the WWF's popularity started to plummet? Good times.
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Guess nobody taught Kalisto any manners since he interrupted Gulak's speech.
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Of all the cruiserweights, Drew Gulak might be the least boring.
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Can you imagine going back to 2016 and trying to convince the world this?
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Can you imagine going back to 2016 and trying to convince the world this?
I'm still trying to process that Vince feels that a show about cruiserweights is worth putting on live after SmackDown and often in the top segment on Raw. He's literally given Velocity a main event push.
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All of a sudden I want Kalisto and Tozawa as a tag team
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Am I the only one who thinks Tozowa couldve been THE face on 205 live?
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Am I the only one who thinks Tozowa couldve been THE face on 205 live?
I like Tozawa enough, but something about he just doesn't play well in the role. It might be my own prejudices, but I like the idea of cruiserweights with more "base" leading the division. But maybe I just haven't seen enough of Tozawa's work.
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I like Tozawa enough, but something about he just doesn't play well in the role. It might be my own prejudices, but I like the idea of cruiserweights with more "base" leading the division. But maybe I just haven't seen enough of Tozawa's work.
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Am I the only one who thinks Tozowa couldve been THE face on 205 live?
I thought so too.
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I wish they would drop the cruiserweights and just integrate the talent worth keeping.
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I wish they would drop the cruiserweights and just integrate the talent worth keeping.
And then if they really wanted to introduce another lower card title. Like the TV or European championship that wouldn't be limited by weight.
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And then if they really wanted to introduce another lower card title. Like the TV or European championship that wouldn't be limited by weight.
I don't think they really need more belts, but yeah, people might actually care about some of them. Brian Kendrick as a heel running around on SmackDown with the Daniel Bryan friendship would be interesting. Rich Swann could be an understudy for The New Day, which at least gives them a clothesline for material. Drew Gulak could do his "No Fly Zone" gimmick with virtually anyone. Cedric Alexander can put some weight back on. It'd be preferable to what they are doing now, where they inhabit this "not over" zone.
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I wish they would drop the cruiserweights and just integrate the talent worth keeping.
Still can't understand why they don't even bother learning from the large amount of WCW Nitro tapes they own on how to handle the Cruiser division correctly.

Besides some bright moments here and there, everything about it and 205 Live has been a huge disappointment overall.
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Still can't understand why they don't even bother learning from the large amount of WCW Nitro tapes they own on how to handle the Cruiser division correctly.

Besides some bright moments here and there, everything about it and 205 Live has been a huge disappointment overall.
The cruisers in the WWE were always going to be a bad idea. #1-wwf-fan and I used to disagree on this, because he had the viewpoint that they didn't have to be, and he's right, except we're talking about the WWE.

The belts that matter, if any do, are the "World" Titles. That's it. If you're a cruiserweight who matters then you are not in the Cruiserweight Division. See: Rey Mysterio when he was getting pushed, Finn Balor. Enzo Amore was sent there and pushed despite nuclear heat.

Being a certain size in New Japan might work for guys, but even there the aim is to move out and onto the heavyweights. The idea that a Cruiserweight Title is going to be treated as a legitimate World Title for people 205lbs or under is just not a realistic expectation to have of WWE and Vince McMahon.

The CWC was a cute idea for the Network. It could have (re)introduced some personalities that could have gained traction. Brian Kendrick, Tajiri, Cedric Alexander, Johnny Gargano, TJ Perkins and Gran Metalik all had stuff going for them when the tourny was over. Who means the most out of them now? Johnny Gargano. He's not main roster and he's not associated with the cruiserweights.

They should have just kept it limited to a tournament that could cycle in some fresh faces. Try and get it on USA or ESPN every year and hope that it generates some money. But they got the idea that small guys draw from it, as opposed to the idea that a sports-based presentation with stakes worked.

I'm going all over the place with this, but basically the idea of a Crusierweight Division in the WWE is dumb, because you want to be a heavyweight, so when the term "cruiserweight" was exiled, everybody got more of a chance. Now you are reminding people that people are little again, and they're being booked in the same style and no one gives a flying fuck, and it was always going to be that way, just like it was always going to be that Asuka would end up as just another girl.
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The cruisers in the WWE were always going to be a bad idea. #1-wwf-fan and I used to disagree on this, because he had the viewpoint that they didn't have to be, and he's right, except we're talking about the WWE ..

I'm going all over the place with this, but basically the idea of a Crusierweight Division in the WWE is dumb, because you want to be a heavyweight, so when the term "cruiserweight" was exiled, everybody got more of a chance. Now you are reminding people that people are little again, and they're being booked in the same style and no one gives a flying fuck, and it was always going to be that way, just like it was always going to be that Asuka would end up as just another girl.
Biggest mistake was having Vince be in total control of the division considering its arguably the one thing he can't book correct or handle based on history.

Agree on the last part since nothing about the division really feels unique compared to the CWC or even how other companies promote Cruiser style wrestling. Triple H had the right idea about wanting to limit wear and tear but WWE went overboard with the restrictions and forcing the WWE style on the division.
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Biggest mistake was having Vince be in total control of the division considering its arguably the one thing he can't book correct or handle based on history.

Agree on the last part since nothing about the division really feels unique compared to the CWC or even how other companies promote Cruiser style wrestling. Triple H had the right idea about wanting to limit wear and tear but WWE went overboard with the restrictions and forcing the WWE style on the division.
Even so, the style of wrestling is integrated into WWE programming now. Everybody flips and dives. Cruiserweight wrestling has been amalgamated into the ring product. Going "harder" or "faster" wouldn't have necessarily helped it, because that shit just loses people too. The format of the CWC could have been applied to African-American talents, or giant heavyweights, or just had an international theme. The idea that they all had to make a weight limit was cute, but wasn't actually that important beyond a storytelling device for how much hard work Cedric Alexander did to qualify.

That it got over because of "cruiserweights" is the wrong idea to take from it, I think. It got over because of realistic human drama and the stakes of being knocked out and your dream being over. And the matches were good, but a large part of that is the vibe around them and that they were part of a larger story that mattered to them. They weren't good because the guys were small or wrestling any faster than they were on 205 Live.

TJ Perkins should have won the tournament and received an NXT Title shot and probably won the belt. Turns out the guy is a piece of shit, and he wouldn't have been my pick to take the whole thing, but once you've got him there, that's where you go, in my opinion. He proves he's the pound-for-pound best, but now he's got to go swimming with larger sharks. He succeeds. Babyface story complete.
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I probably won't watch it, but I am excited about the idea of John Cena and Samoa Joe interacting at Survivor Series.
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I'm not even watching and I am bothered by how much they are saying "The Original Shield."
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My favorite incarnation of the Shield is Dean Ambrose, James Ellsworth, and Chad Patton.
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