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Old 12-06-2017, 08:45 PM   #1
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Noid, most people have a problem with you, because you imply anyone who likes something you don't is a gibbering idiot.

I don't really give a fuck if you want to be a dick or not, but for fucks sake, just go all in on it and stop explaining yourself with all these diatribes, and tell the haters to just fuck off. This passive aggresive bullshit derailing threads is tiring.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:57 PM   #2
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:04 PM   #3
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Yeah, do you, just stop worrying about explaining why you are you.
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Just because I want to feel cool again.

Hard to believe, We are talking about a guy who I waited on earlier this year, Granted this was well before Wrestlemania
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Old 12-08-2017, 09:27 PM   #7
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If I did directly call you a moron, I apologize. Never my intention. I do find your position that somehow my direct responses to the things you've said to be frustrating though. This is a wrestling forum. I come on here to discuss wrestling. If I like something, I'll like it; if I don't, I won't. I don't get why it is hard for you to accept people critiquing things they don't like. But it's happened a few times that you take this "You're ignoring my questions; you don't think the way I do and I don't get it" stance. I'm not sure if English is your second language or something (seriously -- maybe there is a communication gap). If it helps, number them out and I will respond to each one.
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:18 AM   #8
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Holy shit, Noid. You've got to be trolling me at this point. There's no way your reading comprehension is this bad.

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But it's happened a few times that you take this "You're ignoring my questions; you don't think the way I do and I don't get it" stance.
This is not at all what I've done, but it's (for some reason) the message you've decided to take from it.

I have asked you why you are a dick to anyone who likes this gimmick. I understand you don't, and that is not an issue. But your responses in this thread have been shitting on people who like the gimmick because you hate it (and basically calling me an idiot for "not getting your answers" when you address something I'm not asking).

This is not difficult: you can like or dislike whatever you want. But you don't have to be a cunt to anyone who disagrees with you. I'm not sure how many other ways I can explain it. I think I've been quite clear, and you're either missing it or willfully ignoring it.
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:48 AM   #11
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Holy shit, Noid. You've got to be trolling me at this point. There's no way your reading comprehension is this bad.



This is not at all what I've done, but it's (for some reason) the message you've decided to take from it.

I have asked you why you are a dick to anyone who likes this gimmick. I understand you don't, and that is not an issue. But your responses in this thread have been shitting on people who like the gimmick because you hate it (and basically calling me an idiot for "not getting your answers" when you address something I'm not asking).

This is not difficult: you can like or dislike whatever you want. But you don't have to be a cunt to anyone who disagrees with you. I'm not sure how many other ways I can explain it. I think I've been quite clear, and you're either missing it or willfully ignoring it.
Why are you a dick to anyone who likes this gimmick?

Because it's hack. I don't like hack things. I've said that time and time again. When I don't like something I will say I don't like it. I mean, I'm a dick about the gimmick, but not to people "liking" it. #fan likes/liked it and I could respectfully disagree with him. What bothers me is when people confuse that subjective enjoyment wit objective statements about its success (like people saying that more people want to see it than seeing The Hardy Boyz, because that cannot be mathematically true).

Why do I call you an idiot/moron?

Have I? Did I actually say that? You keep alluding to it but find me the part where I said that. Again, if I did, I apologize.

Why do you address something I'm not asking?

Because I honestly don't get your circular reasoning. I address what I think you're asking and you go into "Ah, but I didn't ask that, therefore..." and I honestly have no clue what you think you're asking, because you always frame it like it's some big slam or something. I'm genuinely trying to answer your questions, haha. But you're so preoccupied with calling me a dick for calling you a dick, even though I didn't call you a dick. I just get annoyed at you calling people a dick when anyone measuring dick-acting is surely going to have to put anyone in this thread next to you.

Do you get how I might get confused?

Why do you talk about wrestling if you think it's bad?

Because I like talking about wrestling.

But why do you do it? You sound like an asshole. Wouldn't an asshole do that? Why do you call people asshole by the way? That sounds assholey. You're an asshole, asshole.

Okay, but do you not detect the irony here?

That's not what I'm talking about. Stop changing it.

That's literally how it feels talking to you when you get into this mode, and I say it to you, because I remember it specifically being you who has done it before. I'm going to stop interacting with you when you try it, because it honestly gets too frustrating. When you have to put everyone on a high horse because you're trotting around on one, it's just too much for me.

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Edge and Christian on Woken Matt Hardy, with Christian referring to Matt as a "fucking genius".
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Yeah, for whatever reason, "the boys" love it. Can't remember who it was talking about it on Jericho or Stone Colds podcast, but they were saying that most of the WWE locker room was watching The Final Deletion after it aired and loving it. Even John Cena came in and said "What are you guys watching?" they told him and he said "Could one of you give to me afterwards so I could watch it from the start? I would very much like to see it" in that weird John Cena backstage impression everyone seems to have and he ended up enjoying it too.
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It's pretty wild how over it is with fellow rasslers. Loved how pumped Edge and Christian were about it.
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Didn't Jericho tell that Cena story when he had Hardy on the show? Feel like he prefaced the interview with it before talking to an in-character Matt (which was pretty great).
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Oh yeah, that was the one. That was such a crazy fun podcast. Of all people, Broken Matt Hardy was keeping kayfabe alive.
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There's nothing "circular" about any of my posts here: I'm literally repeating myself because you consistently call me on things I don't talk about and act like you've "won" or something.

How is this that hard for you still? You're acting people enjoying this gimmick is some kind of crime against the business. I get that you like talking about wrestling, that was never unclear (though somehow you think I miss that). But shitting on everyone who enjoys something that you don't (because yes, that's what you're doing) is you being an asshole, not "talking about wrestling."

I really don't know how many other ways I can explain it before you understand - or actually read what I've said.
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There's nothing "circular" about any of my posts here: I'm literally repeating myself because you consistently call me on things I don't talk about and act like you've "won" or something.

How is this that hard for you still? You're acting people enjoying this gimmick is some kind of crime against the business. I get that you like talking about wrestling, that was never unclear (though somehow you think I miss that). But shitting on everyone who enjoys something that you don't (because yes, that's what you're doing) is you being an asshole, not "talking about wrestling."

I really don't know how many other ways I can explain it before you understand - or actually read what I've said.
I'm literally repeating myself to you. You're trying to call shit on me, not vice versa -- I don't even like talking to you, haha. Acting like I've "won?" Dude, I don't even get where you're coming from half the time.

I think the gimmick is a crime against the business, haha. I think it is the kind of horse-shit that stops people from enjoying wrestling on any sort of level where it has credence. It might not matter to some, but credibility is important, and there's a different between going to a concert and going to a show where they fuck a pig.

If people want to enjoy watching pig fucking, they can do it. That's never been my point (and you won't ever concede that because it doesn't fit your narrative -- whatever). My point is that it's pig fucking. If you feel bad for watching pig fucks, then I suggest not watching them fuck. If you don't -- whatever. Just don't tell me it ain't pig fucking, because it is totally pig fucking.

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Can't find the post, but somebody shared a recent clip and asked about Matt's odd-looking teeth. I just remembered it and pictured Big Show as DDP doing this style to mock Matt.

And that's how you book the big man for WrestleMania.

Edit: found it. Even from the screenshot I see it. "I want you, to like you , even if you're broken! "

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Is it just me or has Matt got fake upper teeth? Totally different colour from the bottom ones, and this woken thing....
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"Oh, but that hurts my feelings." Harden the fuck up, seriously. If you like the Broken Matt stuff, then whatever. If my opinion that it is microwaved dog cum makes you change your mind, then I hope it is for intellectual reasons. If you like it because you like it, cool. Good. Just don't ever come over to my house and touch anything. It's important to me to be honest about the subject though, so fuck you for trying to get me to be nicer to some backyard fetish porn. I feel the need to call it out. There's a difference between that and kink-shaming though.

Get it through your mind -- I don't have to like what you like. Isn't that supposed to be one of your own fucking points? Why is it so important to you that people are intellectually dishonest and sit around all saying "No, that must be good because you like it." "No, I think that is good because you like it." When you weight everything with such subjectivity, then my sheer OPINION that it's a sack of hemorrhoids and rotten oysters becomes MORE important; not less. That is what I don't get about you -- you seem to want to every opinion to matter except dissenting ones. That is why you don't make sense to me. Which one is it? Pick a fucking side, man.

If you like Broken Matt, I don't hate you. I just think you are a wrong. And #fan proves that I've at least attempted to explain my reasons why, because he gets it. I am allowed to think you are wrong. You are allowed to think I am wrong. But what is so fucking annoying is when you think you are allowed to think that I am wrong because I shouldn't be able to think you are wrong. The fuck? The fucking fuck fuck?

Another rant. Your response will be: "I didn't say that. I just asked why you go out of your way to do it," even though I've just ranted about that very thing. Ugh. And here I am still biting on what could be troll bait. Where is the good discussion? I need something with more meat.
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lol Where have I suggested this hurts my feelings? You claim to like talking about wrestling, but all you're doing with this is telling people it sucks and they shouldn't like it. That's not discussion. You're being a cunt for the sake of it and crying foul when I call you on it.

That's all this is.
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Yeah Noid didn't like it when I said I didn't care beyond the point of it making me laugh.

You know what else makes me laugh? The pwnage Screech is laying down in this thread.
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Yeah Noid didn't like it when I said I didn't care beyond the point of it making me laugh.

You know what else makes me laugh? The pwnage Screech is laying down in this thread.
screech is laying down nothing but massive logic turds. My response to you was "As long as it makes you laugh." I still think it's bad for the image of wrestling, but as long as you get a chortle, cool.
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lol you've barely actually read anything I've said to you, but sure - "logic turds"

Whatever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, buddy!
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Week 2 in the books:

-Another back and forth promo battle

-Zero crowd reaction (although to be fair, the crowd's been quiet most of night)

-They've added a totally unnecessary breaking transition for Hardy

-Another laughing exchange which was way longer than last week and, after WWE posted a literal 10 hour video of Hardy laughing this weekend, now feels incredibly forced

-First thing they cut to afterwards is the announcers laughing it up and talking about how goofy Matt Hardy is acting

I was hoping WWE could at least get the feud to their inevitable gimmick match before they totally fucked it up. And I'm no longer optimistic about that.
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-Another laughing exchange which was way longer than last week and, after WWE posted a literal 10 hour video of Hardy laughing this weekend, now feels incredibly forced
... They didn't...

Tell me they didn't do that.
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... They didn't...

Tell me they didn't do that.


"Do yourself a favor, don't turn around."

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Week 2 in the books:

-Another back and forth promo battle

-Zero crowd reaction (although to be fair, the crowd's been quiet most of night)

-They've added a totally unnecessary breaking transition for Hardy

-Another laughing exchange which was way longer than last week and, after WWE posted a literal 10 hour video of Hardy laughing this weekend, now feels incredibly forced

-First thing they cut to afterwards is the announcers laughing it up and talking about how goofy Matt Hardy is acting

I was hoping WWE could at least get the feud to their inevitable gimmick match before they totally fucked it up. And I'm no longer optimistic about that.
Well, it was a good week when I enjoyed it. Thanks WWE.
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Well, it was a good week when I enjoyed it. Thanks WWE.
Yeah. Matt's already tweeted a tease saying that these first two weeks were to "draw out the demon" and that he'll "elevate the ante" next week, whatever that means.

Could mean nothing but given how active he's been in reading his Tweets I'm sure he's seen the mountain of negative comments about this week's promo feeling just like a forced, hamfisted WWE effort and wanted to try to get ahead of it.
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"They liked the laughing bit last week, let's do it again... And extend it"
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Yeah, that was terrible. It worked in the first promo because it was unexpected and absurd. Doing it again straight away is a misfire, and now I can only groan thinking it'll be included each and every week.
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Instantly got flashbacks of the "Hey kids! Ain't this 'Fandoing' craze hip?!" reaction to Fandangoing becoming a thing when I read that.
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Instantly got flashbacks of the "Hey kids! Ain't this 'Fandoing' craze hip?!" reaction to Fandangoing becoming a thing when I read that.


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Wonder if people contemplating suicide will watch that video to help them along
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HMB agrees to marry you on the spot on the condition that you sit through the whole video. Deal?
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The Sister Abigail part was a good explanation of Wyatt's obsession with her. If its just going to be a laughing contest though it seems like a waste.
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Awww look Noid is resorting to Neg reps. Are your feelings hurt because people enjoy something you don't? I'm sorry. Wait, no I'm not. Pussy.
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Awww look Noid is resorting to Neg reps. Are your feelings hurt because people enjoy something you don't? I'm sorry. Wait, no I'm not. Pussy.
Sounds like you're the one who is getting hurt by it, truthfully. I only neg rep mike adamle posts and people that I think make something counter-productive towards discussion. You fall into the later category.

1. screech is coming from a position that his perspective is correct. This has always been my biggest gripe with him when he goes off onto these tangents. He's the only person on these boards that does it. Literally, the only one. Everyone else seems to get subjective versus objective, at least to some extent. But he can't seem to wrap his head around why someone would think that something someone subjectively likes is objectively bad, and why they would bother critiquing it on a board to discuss these things. It's asinine.

2. screech constantly says I ignore his points despite me consistently responding directly to them. "Why would you come here and make fun of something people enjoy?" seems to be the place he keeps returning to, despite me answering this time, and time, and time, and time again. It's interfering with something I enjoy. I am open to people discussing it and saying "I enjoy it." I've given examples of that. Where I jump off is when people say "I enjoy it, therefore it is good." It make be far too logical a way of thinking for some who can't separate themselves from what they enjoy, but...

3. screech constantly makes the implication that my opinion must be wrong if it clashes against the opinions of others. This is a self-defeating argument and one that cannibalizes itself. Wouldn't your subjective opinion be defeated by mine then? Of course not, because it's a one-way street with folks like screech. These are the sort of people who will cry "free speech" and then get upset when someone says "you're wrong." Ironically what you're accusing me of, I guess.

So, here it is spelled out for: Broken Matt Hardy is dumb. It's not fucking funny and anyone who likes it can be accused of bad taste. All wrestling is bad taste. Cool. That doesn't alleviate that Broken Matt is worse. It's daft, dumb and, frankly, not even very creative. But casual audiences have been chased away so all that are left are my fellow geek to enjoy it and that is why we can't have nice things.

That is my opinion. What do I base this on? Well, my own opinion, which is as weighted as highly as yours and belongs just as much in a thread about Broken Matt as anything else. But also the fact that it did zero business in TNA despite getting all these rave reviews about being the hottest thing in wrestling. Mathematically impossible. Actual lies -- not malicious ones, but just ones out of ignorance.

Why does it even matter to me? Because I want wrestling to get good again. It's impossible with shit like this on television. That it makes you laugh might be the problem.

If you enjoy it? Fine. I enjoy wrestling, but I wouldn't make the claim it deserves an Emmy or even a fucking time-slot with the way things currently are. But I still subjectively like it, even though I don't think it's good. Now, with Broken Matt, I challenge someone to explain to me why it is good. How it is good. #fan tried. "It's different and everything else is shit" seems to be the winning argument. Good work, guys. You're really "destroying" me.

Either get this thread back on track and start talking about the subject matter at hand and not screech's white-knight complex, or you will continue to go down in my books. You might not care, but it sounds like you do by your massive sook.

Also, keep in mind that the closest thing to an insult I've thrown at you this whole time is lumping you in, collectively, with the geeks who still watch wrestling, and accusing you of bad taste. I haven't called you dumb, or a moron, or an idiot, or a pussy. Just like I never called screech that. I've asked if he can pick it out and thus far he hasn't. He's called me plenty though. Interesting, huh?

DISCLOSURE: I did edit a post that said "I think this is trash and everyone who likes it is trash" for poetic emphasis, but I thought some people might actually take it to heart, since when it comes to Broken Matt and having an opinion on him, apparently you don't even need to call someone a name to call them a name. I'm not even against name-calling, because I don't take it seriously and find it a bright way to pepper conversation, but in this context I went out of my way to avoid it.

My gripe with screech is how he formulates his arguments. His seems to be more based on how I make him feel and a need to try and "get one over" on me. Cool. He can do his thing. I've explained Broken Matt very thoroughly, and I've explained my issues with the substance of his posts. He continues to say I ignore him. Now I will.
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Noid, you likely have me on ignore now, but I will try one more time to explain my very simple point since you still can't seem to get it. I'll throw spoiler tags to save space for everyone else.

SPOILER: show

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1. screech is coming from a position that his perspective is correct. This has always been my biggest gripe with him when he goes off onto these tangents. He's the only person on these boards that does it. Literally, the only one. Everyone else seems to get subjective versus objective, at least to some extent. But he can't seem to wrap his head around why someone would think that something someone subjectively likes is objectively bad, and why they would bother critiquing it on a board to discuss these things. It's asinine.

This is not correct, but somehow this is what you keep taking from my posts. I'm not trying to be "correct." You're not actually discussing things, you're being a dick to anyone who likes this gimmick. I am pointing out how ridiculous that is. I've done this in at least two threads with you and you still can't get it.

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2. screech constantly says I ignore his points despite me consistently responding directly to them. "Why would you come here and make fun of something people enjoy?" seems to be the place he keeps returning to, despite me answering this time, and time, and time, and time again. It's interfering with something I enjoy. I am open to people discussing it and saying "I enjoy it." I've given examples of that. Where I jump off is when people say "I enjoy it, therefore it is good." It make be far too logical a way of thinking for some who can't separate themselves from what they enjoy, but..
Well, you do ignore my points, but I'll wrap with that. And you are definitely not okay with people enjoying this. You have said many times that you think this gimmick "kills the business" and lecture everyone who likes it on why he is wrong.

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This is also incorrect. I have said many times that you can like or dislike anything you want. You just don't need to be a dick to people who disagree with you - which is what you're doing to basically everyone in here. How you have yet to grasp this is silly at this point. We all get that you hate the gimmick. Some people enjoy it, and that's okay.


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The problem is you're constantly "talking down to me" for not getting your point - when you address points I'm not making.

I don't know if you're not getting it, or just willfully ignoring it now, but my entire point is that you can like/dislike/talk about whatever you want. You just don't need to be a total dick to anyone who shares a different view. That's all I've been saying.

I'm not sure if you're just not that smart or if you're just being an asshole for the sake of it, but it's really not a hard concept.


Well that was fun!
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Besides, 2 can play that petty little game.
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