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Old 12-13-2017, 10:59 PM   #1
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I mostly just get my jollies from people getting so worked up over a gimmick. I mean I dig the Broken stuff personally, but I can see why others wouldn't. Just the fact that it's so polarizing is amusing to me.

If I didn't like it, I wouldn't be afraid to say I thought it fucking sucked, but I don't think it'd "take me out" of the programming or whatever. Then again I've personally just always preferred the variety show approach to wrestling. I liked Total Nonstop Deletion as a one-off episode but in general I'd never want the entirety of Raw to be about one thing. But as a character getting one segment a week? Yeah, I'm cool with that.

I've just always liked having something for everybody. And if someone was on I didn't give a shit about, I'd just shrug, do something else and wait for the next segment.
If it wasn't any good then it would be just like anything else WWE or Impact has done that are just meh stories that deserve that shrug. The fact that its either liked or hated says alot. Similar to Roman Reigns and what CyNick likes to preach in that he gets a reaction. He's not wrong in that thought.

Noid thinks its bad for wrestling and I do understand his point a bit. I'm with you though as I've always enjoyed the variety aspect of pro wrestling. Off the wall but also grounded at the same time. It's entertainment now and everyone has a different views on what they see as entertainment and WWE tries to appeal to all. WWE doesn't need to go all in on it like Impact did and there is no need to but it has to have a bit more substance than just a laugh off to work. The back story of Sister Abigail has already done something for Wyatt and that's my hope is that Wyatt get something out of this.
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I've just always liked having something for everybody. And if someone was on I didn't give a shit about, I'd just shrug, do something else and wait for the next segment.
And in a time when they literally cut RAW in half for Hulu, anything you don't like can be easily skipped. Sometimes they do it for you.
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:46 PM   #3
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I shall henceforth be eagerly awaiting your next essay explaining to us all again what we got on page 1.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:23 PM   #4
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I honestly don't think enough people are paying attention to wrestling for it to be negatively affected by this. Wrestling fans are the only ones who know about broken matt, and for the most part, they love him. It would be one thing if it was a portion of the hardcore fanbase that liked him, and he was turning off most viewers. But that's clearly not the case

I stated before that the appeal is tbat it is the wrestling gimmick equivalent to a B-movie. Also could make the comparison to adult swim. Just that bonkers randomness that appeals to certain people.

Can understand why some people don't like it, but I refuse to believe its contributing to the downfall of the business. Maybe the downfall of your personal ideals on what wrestling should be. But said ideals may not match up with what the general fanbase wants.
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I honestly don't think enough people are paying attention to wrestling for it to be negatively affected by this. Wrestling fans are the only ones who know about broken matt, and for the most part, they love him. It would be one thing if it was a portion of the hardcore fanbase that liked him, and he was turning off most viewers. But that's clearly not the case

I stated before that the appeal is tbat it is the wrestling gimmick equivalent to a B-movie. Also could make the comparison to adult swim. Just that bonkers randomness that appeals to certain people.

Can understand why some people don't like it, but I refuse to believe its contributing to the downfall of the business. Maybe the downfall of your personal ideals on what wrestling should be. But said ideals may not match up with what the general fanbase wants.
This is a great post.

I agree with your first bit. I don't think it's actively going to chase people away. But I think for any attention it stirs up, the people you probably want to get in are going to say "This is dumb. How do people watch this?" That's all. Like, do we really need more fans with that ironic "appreciation" of wrestling but really don't get emotionally invested, because it's hokey and dumb. It gets really hard to have a good atmosphere when everyone just wants to come and laugh at the weird man.

They are only my personal ideals of wrestling, but I think there's a big problem with fandom in wrestling at the moment. They've chased away most of the casuals, and now they have a hardcore audience that wants to both dictate what they want, and when they get it, they want something else.

It's just depressing being a fan in that environment. You want to go and enjoy some good live music, because you like some of the bands, but then there is this person screeching and people throwing up onto your shoes. Maybe I'm just too old for this shit?
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Old 12-26-2017, 04:02 AM   #6
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This is a great post.

I agree with your first bit. I don't think it's actively going to chase people away. But I think for any attention it stirs up, the people you probably want to get in are going to say "This is dumb. How do people watch this?" That's all. Like, do we really need more fans with that ironic "appreciation" of wrestling but really don't get emotionally invested, because it's hokey and dumb. It gets really hard to have a good atmosphere when everyone just wants to come and laugh at the weird man.

They are only my personal ideals of wrestling, but I think there's a big problem with fandom in wrestling at the moment. They've chased away most of the casuals, and now they have a hardcore audience that wants to both dictate what they want, and when they get it, they want something else.

It's just depressing being a fan in that environment. You want to go and enjoy some good live music, because you like some of the bands, but then there is this person screeching and people throwing up onto your shoes. Maybe I'm just too old for this shit?
What if they come for the whacky Matt Randomness, and end up staying for the really meaningful stuff?

I have quite a few friends who became fans for the superficial stuff, or for one angle that appealed to them at the time, but quickly learned and came to understand how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Now I talk to those same friends about okada's storytelling or lucha undergrounds long term booking. Topics that may as well have been a foreign language to them when they came in for whatever nonsense attracted them at the time.
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What if they come for the whacky Matt Randomness, and end up staying for the really meaningful stuff?

I have quite a few friends who became fans for the superficial stuff, or for one angle that appealed to them at the time, but quickly learned and came to understand how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Now I talk to those same friends about okada's storytelling or lucha undergrounds long term booking. Topics that may as well have been a foreign language to them when they came in for whatever nonsense attracted them at the time.
It's a fair point. I just don't really think it's going to pan out that way. I think it's cutting off your nose to spite your face a bit. But feel free to disagree.
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Agree and I also don't think that wrestling is that much mainstream that it will be effected. I get Noids point that its not like realistic but Hardy sells it as such and creates these backstories which is what makes it great in my opinion. He doesn't treat it as just an act and uses his social media accounts to progress stories which is something WWE tries to do but are not very good at.
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I like Broken Matt Hardy, granted I do feel WWE will screw it up, They already kinda doing that, found that glass shattering Woken graphic to be stupid and annoying and really unneeded.

But Pro Wrestling is meant to suspend belief. It's made us believe Val Venis is hung like a Giraffe's neck. That you can actually assault people without getting arrested. So what if a dude believes that animals are incarninates of famous people. My E-Fed character believed he was a Super Saiyan, I don't see how it's hurting anything.

Granted if he becomes a unstoppable World Champion, then we might have time to complain.
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Granted if he becomes a unstoppable World Champion, then we might have time to complain.
I don't know, Broken Matt Hardy doing Today Show appearances like John Cena might be pretty entertaining.
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I don't know, Broken Matt Hardy doing Today Show appearances like John Cena might be pretty entertaining.
And the fan meltdowns would be hilarious.
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Do not understand how Noid unironically makes 35 page posts about Broken Matt Hardy if he doesnt like him.
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Because he's allowed to have his opinions, Dale, and how dare you suggest otherwise.
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Just watched the second promo. May have been more campy (campier?) than the last one, and I can see why people who were excited are less so after it.

What they actually said was fine (I think their chemistry is good so far), but the graphics in between the cuts seemed a bit much. Made the laughing back and forth seem especially forced.

I liked the mooing after the golden calf line though haha
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I liked the mooing after the golden calf line though haha
lol it was such a creepy moo

Hopefully Matt makes good on his vows to ELEVATE THE ANTE next week
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lol it was such a creepy moo

Hopefully Matt makes good on his vows to ELEVATE THE ANTE next week
It was completely ridiculous lol, I can see how it could "take people out of it" though.

I'm actually interested to see what their match is going to be. But I'm not sure I can take more of those awkward graphic cuts with the laughter.
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It was completely ridiculous lol, I can see how it could "take people out of it" though.

I'm actually interested to see what their match is going to be. But I'm not sure I can take more of those awkward graphic cuts with the laughter.
Yeah, those transition graphics were terrible. Really don't know why they felt the need to do that. The first week the cuts were quick back and forth and it made it actually feel more like they were responding to each other.

I don't mind the characters laughing being just a small part of their schtick. Matt laughing at the end of a promo is fine with me. But awkwardly shoehorning it into every conversation between them would suck.

And you just KNOW they're gonna have a face to face laugh off at some point. Because WWE are kings of running things into the ground and setting them on fire.
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Noid is so overrated as a poster. The guy wouldn't know wrestling if wrestling whipped out its dick and slapped him in the face with it. Just a shite poster through and through. Rambles on and on about jack shit. Glad that people on here are finally starting to take notice of this shitstain on society.
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For the record, I think Matt's Broken/Awoken shit is pretty fucken cool. One of the best things in wrestling in years. The fuck what gay retards like Noid think.
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Lol Noid is a good poster. He simply lacks the ability to let things go.
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I'll cop to the second part. Not sure about the first part though.
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The first Hardy/Wyatt promo was cool but then they pretty much did the exact same shit the next week.....just adding in those gay Awoken subheadings. WWE should just let Matt do his thing.
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Their face-to-face showdown will be laughter and flickering lights for a solid 6 minutes.

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Noted cruiserweight Bray Wyatt. At least Woken Matt may have been able to revert himself to 2003 Cruiserweight Champion form with a dip in the Lake of Reincarnation.
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They should add like 6 matches featuring Reigns, Strowman, Samoa Joe, etc. to the Cruiserweight tour. And then subtract all but maybe 1 of the Cruiserweight matches.
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I'm disappointed that ticket sales for 205 Live were so bad that they already needed to add other attractions. These were not big arenas and they were in the northeast which tend to draw good crowds to pretty much everything. I've not seen an indy show in this area that didn't have a good turnout. If the sales were that bad for this three-show run, I'm not sure we'll be seeing another 205 Live tour anytime soon. And that's a shame because it's a talented roster and it would've given the guys some extra paydays. Right now there is usually only one cruiserweight match on Raw house shows and the rest of them just sit at home collecting dust on the weekends since they aren't booked for NXT house shows either.

That being said, I'm not surprised they turned to Matt to try to sell tickets for these three shows. Northeast crowds tend to be pretty smarky and it's a safe bet it'll be three crowds that will be into the gimmick. I could see an actual boost in sales.
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I'm disappointed that ticket sales for 205 Live were so bad that they already needed to add other attractions. These were not big arenas and they were in the northeast which tend to draw good crowds to pretty much everything. I've not seen an indy show in this area that didn't have a good turnout. If the sales were that bad for this three-show run, I'm not sure we'll be seeing another 205 Live tour anytime soon. And that's a shame because it's a talented roster and it would've given the guys some extra paydays. Right now there is usually only one cruiserweight match on Raw house shows and the rest of them just sit at home collecting dust on the weekends since they aren't booked for NXT house shows either.

That being said, I'm not surprised they turned to Matt to try to sell tickets for these three shows. Northeast crowds tend to be pretty smarky and it's a safe bet it'll be three crowds that will be into the gimmick. I could see an actual boost in sales.
WWE pretty much is paying for their terrible handling of the division basically since the start. The division has had some bright moments here and there but is just damaged goods at this point and needs some major rehauling on the creative side of things.
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At least they're not tripling down on the laughing, but I feel this would have been better shot and edited from House Hardy.
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Well after a promo last week that seemed organic and that Matt might've written it himself, it was right back to awkward forced laughing this week.

This character is dead in the water.
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Well after a promo last week that seemed organic and that Matt might've written it himself, it was right back to awkward forced laughing this week.

This character is dead in the water.
So that's the depth of this character in WWE now. He just laughs a lot. Well great.
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So that's the depth of this character in WWE now. He just laughs a lot. Well great.
It was one week.

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Well, 3 out of 4 weeks so far.
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Well, 3 out of 4 weeks so far.
Bingo. The first week was whatever, because it was the first time the character had been seen and the back and forth laughing was kinda funny because it was unexpected.

Then WWE decided that it was the most important thing about the character and that nobody will believe he's crazy if he doesn't laugh all the time.

Dude's laughed more in a month than he did during his entire TNA run.
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Yeah. It's been multiple weeks.
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