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Old 04-09-2018, 11:13 AM   #1
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Intellectually, I don't like that I've already seen him lose to AJ Styles, but I'm just going to try and switch my brain off for that program. It'll be nice to see him lead matches instead of sitting in Dolph Ziggler chinlocks for two minutes.
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Old 04-09-2018, 11:17 AM   #2
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Then fuck up with your annoying chants.
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Old 04-09-2018, 11:19 AM   #3
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What chants are annoying to you? Only one I really hate is the "you deserve it" chants.
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Almost every single one I've heard in clips of the show, to be honest, haha. But within that case "Knees to faces."
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Other annoying chants:

"This is awesome"

"This is awful"

"You've still got it" (after Angle threw one punch)
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Other annoying chants:

"This is awesome"

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"You've still got it" (after Angle threw one punch)
The this is awful chant was great. You've still got it is a bit annoying, yes.
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You prefer a silent crowd like in Japan then?
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You prefer a silent crowd like in Japan then?
Is that what I said?
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No that's what I asked.
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Old 04-10-2018, 05:18 AM   #12
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I've actually seen the AJ/Shin match, but thanks for sharing. I might go back and watch it because I remember really enjoying it.

I'm sure the original was faster. AJ and Shin were two years younger, two years fresher and were in what I imagine is a smaller ring with cables and a production style that doesn't mind getting close as opposed to making it look like they are fighting in a huge open space. Even if WrestleMania wasn't faster, I'm sure the emotionless, inorganic, forced commentary that either misses or manufactures emotional cues would have made it felt slower. Seriously, I wonder how much that effected thing?

I dunno, I just loved so much about the Mania match. I loved Nakamura wearing similar colors to AJ Styles, as this symbolic form of respect. I loved Nakamura planting the seeds of desperation throughout. Besides a better crowd, I can't really think of anything that would have enhanced the match for me. Honestly. Not in their first go-around of many, anyway. I think their second match will be more "intense."

I dunno -- I think fans need to be re-educated and reminded that not everything needs to be 100 all the time. I can understand people were probably expecting it for WrestleMania, so maybe it wasn't actually the best place to run the first match between the two. Whatever. I'm as cynical as they come and I fucking loved it. Seriously, I cannot remember a WWE Title match at Mania that I thought was bell-to-bell better. Maybe Angle vs. Brock, but it's been ages since I've seen that. I might be cutting Angle and Eddie short too. I remember being slightly disappointed by that, but I remember the finish with the boot well.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Brock vs. Reigns was still coming. No matter what you think of it, the philosophy was probably there to not go 100 before that so that Reigns kicking out of F5s would get over. That obviously didn't work, but I'm not sure how much "freedom" AJ and Nakamura had here, in the sense that maybe eighteen Kinshasas or whatever wasn't on the table.

That being said, I honestly really liked it. I really enjoyed the performances in the mixed tag, but this was a much better match -- in my opinion.
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Old 04-10-2018, 05:20 AM   #13
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I think I'm defending it so much because I got the impression from people that they shit the bed. They definitely didn't do that, haha.
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I don't think it's that they shit the bed. They just didn't deliver a classic after everyone talking about how it was their chance to deliver a classic. But they executed the heel turn well, which was what counted.
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I dunno, I think I'll remember that match for a long time. Styles calling bullshit on Shin's cockiness; the counter to good vibrations; Nakamura's caterwauling; his kick to Styles perched on top; Kinshasa to the back of the head; that perfect Phenomenal Forearm; the finish. I only remembered the back body drop, the missile dropkick and the dragon superplex from Omega/Okada.

I get that people were disappointed, and they follow closer than me; but I fucking loved this match. It reminded me of Angle vs. Benoit from X-7. Thought it was great. I'm reluctant to throw "classic" at something so soon after it's happened.
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Honestly, I'm taking a wait and see approach. It's entirely possible that after deciding on the Nak heel turn, they told them to take it easy in this match, so as not to blow their wad on the first match of the feud. Better to have the harder hitting, more intense match when things are more personal. So as a one off rematch of their WK encounter it may be underwhelming to me, but as one part of a greater overall story, I think I will appreciate it more.

If WWE can manage to make that story compelling.
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I think Styles and Nakamura have their faith. I just have this feeling that Vince is a legitimate fan of AJ Styles. He went from having him cut-off from speaking in segments to being "The Face that Runs the Place." When the WWE Champion flops, either as a face or heel, he's the first port of call. He's like Bret Hart, I suppose. And I think Vince "gets it" enough with Nakamura, or else he wouldn't be in this position. And I can just imagine heel Nak's antics cracking Vince up.

I think he will be "out of their way" on this one and kind of watching as a fan. It's just a hunch. The storytelling between the participants -- including Daniel Bryan on SmackDown -- has been brilliant thus far. I do hope people look back at this more fondly and as a building thing.
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I'd need to re-watch the match. But the crowd was exhausted by the time they went on, and they fell into the "big move" sell for a minute into another "big move" sell for a minute, way too fast. IE. WWE style.
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In saying that... there were some really nifty spots, and they didn't fuck anything up. It just didn't feel "special" until the heel turn which I legit did not see coming.
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I thought it was fluid as fuck. I didn't notice a botch anywhere. But I'll also probably go back and re-watch it. I didn't watch it as part of the show either. I saw it in isolation.
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I'll also re-watch it, because at that point I was pretty exhausted. They do this every fucking time. They space out the big matches in between the low key bouts, so you have this up and down emotional roller coaster that has you tired by the last few matches.

Meanwhile, Wreslte Kingdom while not as long, is still a brutally long show. But it flies by because there is a natural progression from lower card bout to main event. Mania gives their audience too many oppurtunities to breathe and relax, killing the momentum. Kingdom just builds and builds your adrenaline and excitement, never even giving you the chance to get tired.
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Yeah, that's a big problem that didn't factor into my enjoyment, because I was mainly interested in Styles/Nakamura so I just sought that out.
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While the match didn't quite live up to expectations, it was far from terrible. I think I heard that Styles was hurt, which is why it didn't quite deliver.
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Yep. I think the consensus was it was good. "Far from terrible" is even harsh.
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I honestly think the terrible way they booked the D-Bry match killed the crowd. It made me fucking insane that they did the god damned injury angle. He's been injured for the better part of 3 years. Milking it even more towards the end of a 7 hour show is just fucking retarded. Sucked the life out of the crowd.
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Old 04-14-2018, 08:38 PM   #26
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I honestly think the terrible way they booked the D-Bry match killed the crowd. It made me fucking insane that they did the god damned injury angle. He's been injured for the better part of 3 years. Milking it even more towards the end of a 7 hour show is just fucking retarded. Sucked the life out of the crowd.
It sounds really dumb how they put that together. Cornette came up with a better way on the fly. I'd probably have had Bryan just destroy Zayn and Owens for the opening portion of the match, then when he gets done, he tags in Shane who wants a piece. Shane gets his shit in as much as he needs to, and then he takes a bit of a beating and tags in Bryan who goes into kill mode and maybe we get an elbow from Shane and Bryan wins the match for the team.

I dunno, that might not be great, but I don't think people were really tuning into WrestleMania to see Bryan get injured or even sell that much. There will be a time and place for this story, but this should have just been "Holy shit! D-Bry's back! Look how fucking good he still is!"
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Old 04-14-2018, 09:40 PM   #27
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It sounds really dumb how they put that together. Cornette came up with a better way on the fly. I'd probably have had Bryan just destroy Zayn and Owens for the opening portion of the match, then when he gets done, he tags in Shane who wants a piece. Shane gets his shit in as much as he needs to, and then he takes a bit of a beating and tags in Bryan who goes into kill mode and maybe we get an elbow from Shane and Bryan wins the match for the team.

I dunno, that might not be great, but I don't think people were really tuning into WrestleMania to see Bryan get injured or even sell that much. There will be a time and place for this story, but this should have just been "Holy shit! D-Bry's back! Look how fucking good he still is!"
I mean... that is booking 101. Would have definitely been better.
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The problem was they just did the wait for the hot tag with Ronda and Angle. Guess they could have Bryan start the match and just never tag out. Shane could have pulled Owen's down from the apron and brawled with him outside the entire time which would let Shane do Shane things. And Bryan gets his moment of course.
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Are the rumble participants gonna be coming out every minute or will it be 2 minutes like a regular rumble? Show will be way too long if its 2 mins
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WrestleMania is like 16 hours long now. They're not afraid to go way too long.

Probably just every minute though. Lame.
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I heard during the pre-show they are going to behead someone.Those arabs know how to put on a show. PrettyCool.
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