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Old 10-08-2018, 11:23 PM   #1
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Watched AJ/Joe, the six man, and Taker/HHH. Liked all three matches and I thought the Taker vs HHH match was the best.
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But fucking HOW?


HHH is one of the best in ring performers ever and Undertaker looked good in my opinion. Plus the story they told with Shawn and Undertaker throughout was golden. Nothing else on the show topped what they did in that match.
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I don't get it.
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Granted I didn't watch the whole show but I don't get how you weren't into that match.
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Old 10-08-2018, 11:38 PM   #4
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It was slow, boring, shenanigan-filled for no reason, Kane was still wearing a wig...not really sure what there was to like. It was embarrassing watching people past their prime act like nothing was wrong with what they were doing. It was an abomination.
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It was slow, boring, shenanigan-filled for no reason, Kane was still wearing a wig...not really sure what there was to like. It was embarrassing watching people past their prime act like nothing was wrong with what they were doing. It was an abomination.
If that match was boring I'm not sure what you found entertaining about that show. They may be old but they understand pro wrestling better than any current roster member. The progression and story told during that match topped anything on the card.

Especially when you take into account that the next night they announce a DX vs Brothers of Destruction match and the one thing the six man sold was the Shield's unity but they blew that away on Raw.
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If that match was boring I'm not sure what you found entertaining about that show. They may be old but they understand pro wrestling better than any current roster member. The progression and story told during that match topped anything on the card.

Especially when you take into account that the next night they announce a DX vs Brothers of Destruction match and the one thing the six man sold was the Shield's unity but they blew that away on Raw.
Yesssss, this.
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It was slow, boring, shenanigan-filled for no reason, Kane was still wearing a wig...not really sure what there was to like. It was embarrassing watching people past their prime act like nothing was wrong with what they were doing. It was an abomination.
Exactly.

I'm Team Thrilla over here.
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But really, I completely get what ABT is getting at when it comes to Kane's wig.

I wouldn't call it "stupid" myself but there are times where I ask myself "why does Kane still wear a wig?".
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I love Kane. He is my favorite wrestler ever.

But he didn't really add anything to that match at all. And it was a match that could've used things added to it. I'm glad people enjoyed it, but it was a rough one.
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You're hung up on Kane wearing a wig?
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Firstly, you didn't watch Lynch/Charlotte or Murphy/Alexander, so pump your brakes.

Secondly, yes, that wig is fucking stupid.
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I seen the finish of both. Don't care anout either though. Haven't watched a second of 205 Live and the Charlotte/Becky fued is just backwards. Charlotte is a natural herl while Becky is everyone's favorite, it makes no sense.
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I don't get how you are so torn on a wig though. It'd be stupid looking having a bald Kane with a mask.
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I don't get how you are so torn on a wig though. It'd be stupid looking having a bald Kane with a mask.
Not when everyone knows that he's fucking bald already and the wig LOOKS so fake that it's distracting.

As for a bald Kane with a mask, that would have a lovely Jason Vorhees feel to it. They should give it a try.

Would you like Shawn Michaels to put on a fucking wig too?
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Not when everyone knows that he's fucking bald already and the wig LOOKS so fake that it's distracting.

As for a bald Kane with a mask, that would have a lovely Jason Vorhees feel to it. They should give it a try.

Would you like Shawn Michaels to put on a fucking wig too?
Kane is a character same as Jason Vorhees is. He's known for the mask and hair so you don't change it when going for nostalgia. You sound like a mark that is responsible for ruining kayfabe.
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Not when everyone knows that he's fucking bald already and the wig LOOKS so fake that it's distracting.

As for a bald Kane with a mask, that would have a lovely Jason Vorhees feel to it. They should give it a try.

Would you like Shawn Michaels to put on a fucking wig too?
The wig is part of the gimmick. Going back to when he first unmasked, his hair was real until that day. He then cut his hair so when he took the mask off it was supposed to be about how he got burned.

Yes we all know it's fake, but it's supposed to be fake. It's no different than wearing tape to sell and injury.

Shawn Michaels wearing a wig would be stupid because it would just be Shawn Michaels wearing a wig.
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The wig is part of the gimmick. Going back to when he first unmasked, his hair was real until that day. He then cut his hair so when he took the mask off it was supposed to be about how he got burned.

Yes we all know it's fake, but it's supposed to be fake. It's no different than wearing tape to sell and injury.

Shawn Michaels wearing a wig would be stupid because it would just be Shawn Michaels wearing a wig.
When Kane had long hair, it was long hair. Lol, it's pretty much exactly the same thing as Shawn Michaels dressing up as what he used to look like.
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At least I watched and understand the backstory of the match that I think sucked. You'd probably like 205 Live, but your loss, I guess.

And they're really not forcing a dynamic on the Charlotte/Becky feud. The shit's been good, and the matches have been great.
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At least I watched and understand the backstory of the match that I think sucked. You'd probably like 205 Live, but your loss, I guess.

And they're really not forcing a dynamic on the Charlotte/Becky feud. The shit's been good, and the matches have been great.
I didn't say the match sucked. It just doesn't touch what HHH/Undertaker did. There is a reason that WWE keeps calling these guys back to the ring and its because they are better than the damn cruiserweight division or even their main event scene.

I've watched the Becky/Charlotte stuff and they are definitely trying to make Becky the heel. Deny it all you want but its pretty obvious.
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So fucking what if Becky's a heel? Her character is so much better now. Heel/face doesn't even matter so much anymore. People can cheer for anyone without it ruining the show.
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So fucking what if Becky's a heel? Her character is so much better now. Heel/face doesn't even matter so much anymore. People can cheer for anyone without it ruining the show.
She's not a heel though. Her story is your typical underdog story. She's been in the shadow of Charlotte for a while and finally wants to break out. Why should I hate her for that? On top of that Charlotte has been a heel most of her career and I have no reason to really cheer for her.

I don't care what you say, if people cheer the heels and boo the babyfaces than shit isn't working.
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She's not a heel though. Her story is your typical underdog story. She's been in the shadow of Charlotte for a while and finally wants to break out. Why should I hate her for that? On top of that Charlotte has been a heel most of her career and I have no reason to really cheer for her.

I don't care what you say, if people cheer the heels and boo the babyfaces than shit isn't working.
Life has gray areas. Characters have layers. If you don't think it's working, why don't you listen to the (good) reactions Becky was getting then and compare them to the (great) reactions that Becky is getting now.
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Life has gray areas. Characters have layers. If you don't think it's working, why don't you listen to the (good) reactions Becky was getting then and compare them to the (great) reactions that Becky is getting now.
I agree and Becky works best in that grey area but WWE presents her as a bad guy on TV. WWE themselves ignore the reactions that fans give so why should I care about them?
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Think about how Roman can get the biggest heel reaction or the biggest face reaction in any given city.

And I'd much, much, MUCH rather watch Buddy Murphy v. Cedric Alexander a hundred times that whatever the fuck that was on Saturday in the main event.
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What the fuck are you talking about? You were a gigantic fan of Broken Matt Hardy and you want to talk to me about RUINING KAYFABE??? Fuck off with that nonsense.

Shawn Michaels has always had long hair. They're not gonna put a wig on him. Triple H used to have long hair. They haven't put a wig on him. KANE HAS BEEN BALD ON TV BEFORE. Arguably, during his best run. Evolve or perish. Don't be a fucking dick about it.
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What the fuck are you talking about? You were a gigantic fan of Broken Matt Hardy and you want to talk to me about RUINING KAYFABE??? Fuck off with that nonsense.

Shawn Michaels has always had long hair. They're not gonna put a wig on him. Triple H used to have long hair. They haven't put a wig on him. KANE HAS BEEN BALD ON TV BEFORE. Arguably, during his best run. Evolve or perish. Don't be a fucking dick about it.
You had to keep kayfabe to be a fan of the Matt Hardy stuff. He didn't ruin it he was trying to bring it back. Do you think Undertaker is really a zombie mortician? No but through kayfabe you accept the character for what it is. Kayfabe is about keeping with the character/story and that is what WWE has done with particular story. They don't seem to be able to do it with their current talent though.
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And what great story were they telling in that main event? Here's how the story seemed to me. And I'm going to talk completely from a point keeping kayfabe in tact:

Tripe H and Undertaker had a match seven and a half years ago (rife with shennanigans, and plenty of Shawn Micahels action) while both of the legendary competitors were nearing the end of their careers, but they still had something left in the tank. Something that was to all be left in the ring, and something that was to signify "The End of an Era". The match was incredible, and a fitting end to a storied rivalry. One people will speak of forever.

Fast forward to a month ago or so, and the two are scheduled to wrestle AGAIN for...I dunno, they never really said what for. They just said it was going to happen, even though Triple H wears a suit to work every day and the Undertaker has lost twice at Wrestlemania between near death experiences and hip replacements, or whatever the fuck. This match is billed as "The Last Time Ever". They have the match (rife with shennanigans, and plenty of Shawn Michaels action), but at least one of the competitors is in piss shape, and much of the match is spent with both competitors taking very long rests.

Now we're scheduled for those same people from The End of an Era who had already been in the ring together for The Last Time Ever to be involved in yet another match with a man who SWORE HE WOULD NEVER COME OUT OF RETIREMENT and a WELL PAST HIS PRIME brother who refuses to GET A FUCKING HAIRCUT.

Don't talk to me about ruining kayfabe.
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I didn't see all the Shawn Michaels shenanigans you say. The way I seen it was they teased Taker/Shawn with Shawn not really wanting to get involved until he seen fit. Shawn didn't have alot to do with the match until the finish. HHH and Undertaker put on a great match and that's what made the show of respect form HHH and Shawn mean so much before Taker and Kane took them out. That was one of the best matches I've seen this year and I watch alot of wrestling.
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I didn't see all the Shawn Michaels shenanigans you say. The way I seen it was they teased Taker/Shawn with Shawn not really wanting to get involved until he seen fit. Shawn didn't have alot to do with the match until the finish. HHH and Undertaker put on a great match and that's what made the show of respect form HHH and Shawn mean so much before Taker and Kane took them out. That was one of the best matches I've seen this year and I watch alot of wrestling.
Why did Shawn HAVE to set up that table, for one?
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I didn't see all the Shawn Michaels shenanigans you say. The way I seen it was they teased Taker/Shawn with Shawn not really wanting to get involved until he seen fit. Shawn didn't have alot to do with the match until the finish.
Did we watch the same match? Pretty much from the start of the match it seemed "obvious" that HBK wasn't there to watch and support HHH in a "fair fight", but that he was out there to distract Taker and interfere. (While Kane was there to counter him, but mostly just stood around and let him)

Which is why I don't get why they were so angry with Taker/Kane beating them up.

"How dare you not show us respect after we built this up as a fight between two legendary figures for the last time ever, but then instead of a fair one on one contest we teamed up to beat you!"

I know technically it wasn't against the rules, but it was pretty "immediate" that HBK wasn't out there just to support his friend, but to help him win.
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Did we watch the same match? Pretty much from the start of the match it seemed "obvious" that HBK wasn't there to watch and support HHH in a "fair fight", but that he was out there to distract Taker and interfere. (While Kane was there to counter him, but mostly just stood around and let him)

Which is why I don't get why they were so angry with Taker/Kane beating them up.

"How dare you not show us respect after we built this up as a fight between two legendary figures for the last time ever, but then instead of a fair one on one contest we teamed up to beat you!"

I know technically it wasn't against the rules, but it was pretty "immediate" that HBK wasn't out there just to support his friend, but to help him win.
Didn't see it that way at all. HBK didn't really get involved until the finish. Taker was taunting him throughout the match and HBK would stay on the outside doing nothing.
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How's this for a story?

Cedric Alexander has been scratching and clawing to get into WWE his whole career. He sees an opportunity in a Cruiserweight Classic tournament that he has to lose twenty pounds to even be eligible to compete in. He comes up short in the quarterfinals, but his impressive performance encourages the entire audience to chant "HIRE CEDRIC" so loud that the boss has no choice but to come out and acknowledge him with a hand raise. His dreams come true as he does get hired, and after a fairly long wrong, he captures the Cruiserweight title at Wrestlemania in a match against his good friend. He defends that championship valiantly on a regular basis and is UNDEFEATED in the year 2018, widely heralded as the most fighting Cruiserweight champion in its short history.

On the other side, you see Buddy Murphy, a man who saw very early success in the start of his WWE career, capturing tag gold with Wesley Blake and having a good run. After that run however, he was shoved to the side and all but forgotten about, though his talent was undeniable. Seeing an opportunity to capture glory again, Murphy gets in the best shape of his life and cuts weight to join the 205 Live roster as it's "Best Kept Secret". He goes on a tear, toppling foe after foe in an attempt to capture the Cruiserweight championship, ultimately falling JUST a bit short on a couple opportunities, most notably against current champion, Cedric Alexander. With a fire that has never left his belly, he secures a number one contendership on a show in his HOME TOWN that the company hasn't had a televised show in thirteen years. The entire country is on his back, so it's now or never.

That's simple. That's effective. Both men are in the best shape of their careers. It's that easy.

But marks like you would rather see Kane in a wig.
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Did he HAVE to superkick Undertaker?
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Did he HAVE to superkick Undertaker?
To help HHH, duh. He didn't get involved and ntil the finish of that match. Before hand it was Taker taunting Shawn trying to get him to do something. Also from the start of the match with HHH changing it to a no DQ and the look Taker give him with HHH's preceding nod. It was just good old school wrestling in my opinion.
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Yeah because who cares about Cedric Alexander and Buddy Murphy. They probably have a great story and quality booking but as soon as you started describing their story I tuned out. I have no reason to care about these cruiserweights anymore now that they are not on Raw. They're just there in my opinion and something I have to search for if I want to watch which I don't find alot of time to do.
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What about any of that makes me a mark destroying kayfabe then?
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What about any of that makes me a mark destroying kayfabe then?
That you can't believe Kane has hair while in character.
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If you FOLLOW a good story, you'll ENJOY a good story. I understand not following it, as life happens, but I've happened to follow both of the stories we're talking about every step of the way, and I know which one I enjoyed more ON THE SAME FUCKING SHOW.
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And no matter WHAT you're watching, Kane's fucking wig is STUPID.
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It's not that I can't believe it. It's just that he's been on screen in the same show WITHOUT the hair. And it looks really, really, really fucking stupid. If you were watching a movie with a monster, could you get as into it if you could see the monster's zipper sticking out on his costume the entire time? If there's no way to make it look good, get fucking rid of it.
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