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Old 11-28-2019, 01:53 PM   #1
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Like c'mon, he had his buddy ol' pal/agent/legendary badass, Frank Shamrock, ready to crack skulls on his behalf. I wish I had that kind of support whenever I'm disparaged or criticized.
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Old 11-28-2019, 01:57 PM   #2
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Dale, we’re literally talking about a disorder that causes people to kill themselves for no reason. What is your baseline for an overreaction
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Dale, we’re literally talking about a disorder that causes people to kill themselves for no reason. What is your baseline for an overreaction
you make a good point. It's just, where does it end? This situation is relatively innocuous is all I'm saying--albeit somewhat shitty.

Say it was done in a far more professional manner and Mauro flipped out (I know this is strictly hypothetical), then where do we stand on the matter?

I just think of all the bullying that could have come his way, this seems like the most innocuous and least threatening. Just some talentless schmuck trying to ruffle feathers.

I've reacted poorly to criticism where I legit did think about killing myself because I have bouts of depression and panic attacks. I was being unreasonable, and was aware I was being unreasonable. Still, it's how I felt. But nobody other than my inner circle was aware and I kept my shit together for everyone on the outside. I'm not bipolar so I can't put myself in his shoes, but surely if his condition is this bad, this isn't the right environment for him.
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Dale, we’re literally talking about a disorder that causes people to kill themselves for no reason.
When weaponized, this is like a cheat code in a game.

No wonder people keep pulling this line out of their asses.
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One thing I do wonder is if Mauro skips his meds before calling a show. Part of his charm is him absolutely losing his shit during big moments which could certainly be explained as part of his mania. So I wonder if he either skips or reduces his meds so he could get that high for the show.

I have no information on this and it’s pure speculation.
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Eh I don’t want to be in the toughen up crowd but I do think there’s a need to find ways to cope with the feelings. At the end of the day Mauro has leverage in that they need him more than he needs them. So, I guess he can take all the time he needs.
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Eh I don’t want to be in the toughen up crowd but I do think there’s a need to find ways to cope with the feelings. At the end of the day Mauro has leverage in that they need him more than he needs them. So, I guess he can take all the time he needs.

It's an unsustainable solution that will snowball in any workplace when the other employees see one being given special treatment.

Mental illness isn't a trump card.
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It's an unsustainable solution that will snowball in any workplace when the other employees see one being given special treatment.

Mental illness isn't a trump card.
Mannnnnn, we’re talking about a company that has Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels in its employ. Let’s not get bogged down in special treatment.

If empathy and human decency aren’t a selling point for you, then value should be. Mauro is the best play by play guy not just in WWE but in all combat sports. Give the guy special treatment.
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Mannnnnn, we’re talking about a company that has Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels in its employ. Let’s not get bogged down in special treatment.

If empathy and human decency aren’t a selling point for you, then value should be. Mauro is the best play by play guy not just in WWE but in all combat sports. Give the guy special treatment.

Mauro Ranallo isn't a performer of the caliber or draw that HBK and Hogan were and he arguably hasn't done nearly as much for WWE in his best year as either of them did in their worst.
HBK being a former drug addict definitely has had legitimate mental health issues, so careful how you go if you want to start in on him.

Implying that I'm lacking empathy and human decency is a bit shit bud, I tend to use situations like these to make a point. If you step back you may be able to see the wood for the trees.
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Mannnnnn, we’re talking about a company that has Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels in its employ. Let’s not get bogged down in special treatment.

If empathy and human decency aren’t a selling point for you, then value should be. Mauro is the best play by play guy not just in WWE but in all combat sports. Give the guy special treatment.
Who is creating this myth that Hogan was a cunt in the WWF? All I've heard is creative control in WCW as a negative towards him in his active career.
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If anyone criticises me for those posts I'm going to kill myself.

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Correct me if I am wrong, wasn’t Mauro already in a bad space prior to the TakeOver special?
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Correct me if I am wrong, wasn’t Mauro already in a bad space prior to the TakeOver special?
Sounds like he is permanently in a bad space, a bad space he guards the gate to and is denying anyone else entry.
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In fairness to Mauro, he may have not shown up to work or whatever, but he is exemplary at his job. I mean I’m not the hugest fan but the target market loves him and he gives everything he’s got. It’s not like we are dealing with a crap, underperforming employee. Just a highly strung, talented individual. Oftentimes, the 2 go hand in hand.
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Does anyone here not have a history of taking medication to improve their mental health?

I think a shitload of us do or have previously.

So it does suck hearing that someone is milking it for all its worth when they clearly shouldn't be working there at all considering how many of us get up in the morning and turn up at real jobs where real people say terrible things without thinking.
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The take way im having from this thread in Ronallos mental well being is not only the responsibility of Graves but everyone who interacts with him ever.
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Just to be open and honest, I am not on board with babying grown adults unless they are in desperate need of help.
A man that can't handle some fairly light criticism should not be in the public eye and the world does not owe him a living.

I'm 33 years old and in ten years I will be considered a dinosaur because of crap like this.
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I see the merit in your argument. Surely by his age, he should’ve learned some decent coping skills.
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The end of that thought should be "... if he means to continue as a TV personality and public figure."

I think the "actually I'm not feeling too great either..." generation is in effect.

Stoicism is dead.
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Plus if I was Cory Graves I'd be off to my doctor to get a prescription to cover my ass ASAP.
Everyone in WWE should. It's worth some time off.
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I don’t think workplace bullying is acceptable. Especially how Vince McMahon does it. But this was more just someone being a wang than actual bullying.
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I don’t think workplace bullying is acceptable. Especially how Vince McMahon does it. But this was more just someone being a wang than actual bullying.

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If Mauros gonna be triggered every time Graves says stupid shit on Twitter he should quit
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He won't though.
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Remember Seanny, they WANT Mauro working for them. Remember who has the actual power in this dynamic. Mauro can go anywhere he wants but they choose to pay him boatloads.
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I'm aware of that. There would be no issue if they didn't...
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See this is where it falls down for me.
You basically insulted me there after I said I had previously struggled with my own issues.

So now do you give me a big apology or what? Do I get a few weeks off?
... Or because I'm not on TV do I just go suck an egg?

See? It's unsustainable.
The world doesn't run on "I don't feel up to it".
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Now does anybody with a brain in their head see what I was working towards there or do I have to keep going and endanger my unblemished "not a cunt" public image?
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Old 11-28-2019, 05:11 PM   #29
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Hogan was notorious for receiving special treatment in WWE.
Supreme didn't say he was a cunt.
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Seanny spitting them hard truths.
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As were you and Destor.

Dale just kicking his legs against either side of the fence.
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My dad used to get piggyback rides from Gorilla Monsoon whenever he felt sad.

He never even had to ask.
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Post Wrestling's John Pollock had a very good article about this whole incident and his personal experience working with Mauro in the past.

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I wanted to speak a bit more about the Mauro Ranallo story but also look at the larger issue of our attitude toward mental health issues. While the overwhelming response to this week’s issue has been a sympathetic one towards Ranallo, who has been open about being bipolar and his struggles, there is still a notable reaction of either indifference or criticizing Ranallo.

For transparency, those that are unaware, I worked with Ranallo from 2006-2009 and have seen him at both his highs and lows, so obviously I am looking at this situation in a different light. But there is also a documentary that Showtime put out that should provide a grasp of his struggles and place into context why this issue was more than just a harmless tweet directed his way.

Had Ranallo missed the Survivor Series because he fell ill or suffered an injury over the weekend, it would be completely accepted as to why he would miss the show. Granted, in pro wrestling, even physical injury and illness are going to be met with the ‘suck it up and work’ mentality but that is lessening. The point is, these are issues we can comprehend – we have all been sick, unable to work and been in situations where our body has shut down and is telling us to slow down and recover so we can return to work in an efficient manner. With mental health, it isn’t detectable on sight, nor do we have all share in the same experiences of what someone suffering is dealing with. This is not a case of someone that needs to ‘get over it’ or is too sensitive or can’t handle the job. We need to get past this concept that ignoring the pain and repressing emotion is somehow ‘soft’. Mauro is hurt, he is damaged, and he is getting himself better and that should not be a debated point. Again, I’m speaking to the minority, but that sentiment is out there, and it’s dated.

It was an unprofessional tweet in a public forum towards someone whose mental state is a daily battle that is full of both good and bad days. He was going to work as he battled these issues, including an increased travel schedule since NXT went to a weekly format and gets criticized daily from fans and showed up to work and did his job.

Not everyone will love Ranallo’s style of commentary, but he was specifically hired by the company because of who he was what his style was.

I am not going to belabor the point on Corey Graves, I am sure he didn’t envision causing this harm to a co-worker. He has been annihilated online, a lot of which was brought on by himself and there is no need to pile on and attack. It negates the larger issue and that is correcting this situation and understanding the effects this has had on someone. It’s the second time this has happened with Ranallo in WWE and it’s in his court to decide if this work environment is conducive for his health. Since returning in 2017, there have not been any known issues while he has been in NXT where it seems he has a lot of support and has been contacted by numerous people there in support of him.

In closing, I would recommend people watch the documentary for better insight:
Link to the documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VT_5XcJiPo
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That is a biased and unhelpful article.

Thanks for sharing.
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Dear Corey Graves,

Your mild, unnamed criticism of a colleague has caused the fake world that governs the real world to lose its shit. We now require you to cease existing.

Signed,

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I dare someone to come at me.

I was on prozac before Mauro Ranallo wore glasses motherfucker.
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It's funny watching all the people sticking up for Mauro simultaneously attacking Graves. The crap Graves is getting hurled at him is leagues beyond ANYTHING Mauro got. It's hilariously hypocritical.
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It's almost like people are trying to signal something. Like maybe how virtuous they are. I dunno.

I just know that chances are if any of us here called out for weeks at a time because someone made us cry on twitter that we'd be unemployed, homeless and starving.
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It's almost like people are trying to signal something. Like maybe how virtuous they are. I dunno.
Or maybe people just genuinely think Graves is a stupid dickhead for publicly attacking a coworker

... who also goes to outpatient therapy for bipolar disorder 5 hours a day and has a well known history of not reacting well to being publicly attacked by coworkers
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The problem here is that we are all acknowledging that Mauro is sick. At least for the most part. It’s just this is at least a grey area.
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