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Old 06-23-2020, 11:10 PM   #1
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This input from non-victims is the perfect way to undermine a growing trend.

This Darby Allin stuff is going to be the Aziz Ansari of the wrestling world.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:12 PM   #2
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She actually claims it's rape there too.

This is a bad look.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:32 PM   #3
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Yeah. That's not a scandal. That's a bad relationship between two people in their early 20s. We really need to make sure we're not lumping rapists, sexual abusers, and people who are just dicks into the same category. Being a dick isn't illegal.

Sean is dead on with this one. Ultimatums are signs of a bad relationship but there's no indication that he wasn't allowing her a way out. This is honestly just a shitty early 20s relationship where nobody knows what the fuck their doing yet.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:45 PM   #4
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I can't imagine a scenario where a person demanding sex somehow rapes you by saying "if you don't give me sex I will leave you".

That is an easy choice to make if you aren't insane or utterly devoid of will.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:51 PM   #5
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Every person who suggested a sexual favour for a birthday present is now a rapist.

Every time you agree with your spouse "you do the dishes, I'll eat you out/blow you" is you being raped.
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There's been flashes of this movement that almost seem to treat women like they are infants. Like they have no agency at all. It's really weird. Obviously what's happening is mostly good but there is such thing as an overcorrection.
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:55 PM   #7
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Real feminists hate this shit.
This is "treat me as an equal" but "I will destroy you if I don't have the advantage" in some cases.

Let's not get ahead of the actual truth.

One idiot undermines every legit claim in some eyes, it's no use.
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Even in countries/states where 16 is the age of consent, there's a massive gap in mental and emotional maturity.

Can't accuse of underage sex if both people are legal, legal age is legal age. But I would definitely have a hard time imagining the older person wasn't being manipulative in some way.

Even if there's no legal wrongdoing, anyone in their 20s feeling the need to date/pursue someone who would be the age of a high school sophomore would definitely get the side-eye from me.
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Even in countries/states where 16 is the age of consent, there's a massive gap in mental and emotional maturity.

Can't accuse of underage sex if both people are legal, legal age is legal age. But I would definitely have a hard time imagining the older person wasn't being manipulative in some way.

Even if there's no legal wrongdoing, anyone in their 20s feeling the need to date/pursue someone who would be the age of a high school sophomore would definitely get the side-eye from me.
I think, for sure there’s some questions to be asked of most relationships when there’s a huge age difference, and I’m not really wading in on the Scrull situation, other than to say “let’s make sure the facts are straight”.
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And now stuff is coming out about Mike Quackenbush, Ophidian, and various other horror experiences from CHIKARA.

If CHIKARA, which has always presented as a fun-loving safe haven for fans, is now being exposed as dirty........yeah, pretty much given up hope that any of the business is clean.
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Pretty sure CHW is still scandal-free.
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I mean I haven't heard about sexual impropriety with Quackenbush, but I've also heard his business practices were questionable.
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can't read the first one.
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“Quackenbush”. There’s a great joke in there that I can’t quite figure out. Someone else will. Congrats to them.
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lol how many more times are we going to hear about "male feminists" being rapists?

MAYBE KALYX WAS RIGHT.
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It’s definitely becoming more likely that you and I have done some rapin’. I’m gonna have to retrace my steps again. I suggest you do the same.
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Hey I'm not a male feminist, you fuck.
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No. But you are a “male feminist”.
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I remember when Fan raped Norman Smiley.
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Fuck, I gotta prepare a statement now.
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Fuck, I gotta prepare a statement now.
1-0 in TPWW real rapes.

Don't worry, if I keep this up I'll get #cancelled too.
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That's how Norman came up with the "Smiley" moniker.
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Old 06-24-2020, 11:53 AM   #28
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April Hunter alleging she was abused and practically tortured by Raven during a European tour. Numerous other people including Daffney have reached out to her with similar stories.

Not really surprised at that one, if true. Raven's a smart guy but always seemed to have a screw loose. Plus there's always been a longstanding rumor that he was caught in bed with a 15-year old Becky Bayless during the ECW days.
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The CHIKARA roster has been resigning en masse so yeah it's pretty much game over for them.
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The CHIKARA roster has been resigning en masse so yeah it's pretty much game over for them.
Yeup, an official announcement of the company shutting down is expected to be made very soon.

Same for Mike Quackenbush announcing he's resigning as the head trainer of the WrestleFactory wrestling school.

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We are told by multiple sources that Quackenbush will also announce he is resigning at the head trainer of the WrestleFactory wrestling academy in Philadelphia, PA ...

There were numerous allegations made overnight, describing alleged systematic abuse towards female trainees and staffers. You can find those accounts at this link. We are told in the wake of the allegations, Quackenbush held numerous meetings with Zoom overnight and this afternoon with talents and staff.
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I had no clue Chikara was still running. I don't really feel like wading through those statements. I assume Quackenbush was the name that came up?
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There's more news on the Cornette front. Apparently a guy from OVW named Josh Ashcraft is coming forward and saying that he was the guy that Phil Earley was alluding to. He claims he was contacted by the Cornettes and their attorney about it, and he denies being "okay" with the whole thing like Cornette alleged on the podcast when talking about the Stacey messages.

Not good for Cornette at all, if true. The accusations have all been hearsay and rumors from talent that kind of disproved them in their second breaths. This is an actual alleged first-hand account, that would actually probably be at least somewhat corroborated by evidence of emails, messages, phone calls, etc. from the Cornettes and their attorney, etc.

Really hope this isn't true and just more of the Joey Janela-esque idiot brigade trying to fuck with people, but that seems like an awful thing to lie about and potentially fuck up your own career, as tiny and insignificant as it is. I can't see Al Snow keeping the guy in OVW if it turns out he is lying, for example.

All that being said, I just can't get past how these guys can't spell the names of the people they are accusing or their alleged friends in the business right. Ashcraft misspells "Earley" as "Early" and Earley misspells "Stacey" as "Stacy." I try not to mock people for their spelling and grammar, but when you're making "statements," you should probably spell people's names correctly using something as source material. The whole thing just makes me feel naive to just how backwoods wrestling can be.
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Yeah but Cornette won't care unless he's literally tried, convicted, and thrown in prison.
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My thing with Cornette is he pretty much said "if you close your business or go into rehab to treat 'something else' that could cause the abuse, you're admitting guilt."

To me, that sounds like a guy telling you his playbook. Act like it's business as usual and that the claims are utterly preposterous so that you sound credible. Again, the claims could be complete nonsense and a way to fuck over Cornette, you never know. But just because he's brushing them off and acting confident he couldn't have done anything questionable doesn't mean shit.

Anyway, I don't see this getting all that far other than to make the people who hate Cornette hate him that much more while emboldening "the cult." Really difficult to nail someone for this, and Cornette already doesn't work for anyone.
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Probably not. And to be honest, there is plenty of wriggle-room in the story.

* I don't think Jim Cornette was involved in OVW at this point in time.

* Ashcraft, who apparently said he was not okay with it, is still employed by OVW from the looks of it.

* Ashcraft's own story is that he failed a piss test and got his hotel inspected because he wasn't supposed to have anyone else in there. This could be harassment if the Cornettes arranged it or whatever, but failing a piss test and violating building codes are his responsibility. A shitty thing for the Cornettes (not sure if he's lobbing the criticism at Jim or Stacey, really) to do, but not exactly criminal behavior. The guy breaking the rules is actually this Ashcraft guy.

* Re-reading them, it sounds like Stacey did try to get him fired from OVW, which is shitty. Didn't happen though. No mention of Jim doing that. There's also talk about Stacey doing a self-harm thing to try and emotionally abuse him. That seems like the closest thing to an actual crime in all this.

Sounds like Ashcraft is talking about a consensual relationship with Stacey that he wanted to get out of, Stacey got mad about, with possible stalking and harassment resulting. Ashcraft seems to believe that him getting popped for the piss test and getting inspected is the Cornettes' doing (either Stacey or Jim).

It'll be interesting to see if/how Jim addresses that.
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Probably not. And to be honest, there is plenty of wriggle-room in the story.

* I don't think Jim Cornette was involved in OVW at this point in time.

* Ashcraft, who apparently said he was not okay with it, is still employed by OVW from the looks of it.

* Ashcraft's own story is that he failed a piss test and got his hotel inspected because he wasn't supposed to have anyone else in there. This could be harassment if the Cornettes arranged it or whatever, but failing a piss test and violating building codes are his responsibility. A shitty thing for the Cornettes (not sure if he's lobbing the criticism at Jim or Stacey, really) to do, but not exactly criminal behavior. The guy breaking the rules is actually this Ashcraft guy.

* Re-reading them, it sounds like Stacey did try to get him fired from OVW, which is shitty. Didn't happen though. No mention of Jim doing that. There's also talk about Stacey doing a self-harm thing to try and emotionally abuse him. That seems like the closest thing to an actual crime in all this.

Sounds like Ashcraft is talking about a consensual relationship with Stacey that he wanted to get out of, Stacey got mad about, with possible stalking and harassment resulting. Ashcraft seems to believe that him getting popped for the piss test and getting inspected is the Cornettes' doing (either Stacey or Jim).

It'll be interesting to see if/how Jim addresses that.
The piss test is set up from the athletic commission, yes?
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