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Old 08-06-2005, 12:18 PM   #1
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I dunno. Eddie managed to have a 2 minute+ promo with no words, and STILL had people glued.
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:19 PM   #2
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I still wanna see that promo
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:58 PM   #3
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:59 PM   #4
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Heh. Yeah, because Shawn Michaels really needs to ASPIRE to anything right now.

Like maybe a stroke.

Poor canadian fanboys.

Bret's living the high life. Yeah, forcibly removed from doing something he loves because of a stroke. That's really the high life.
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Old 08-06-2005, 01:23 PM   #5
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Well it's certainly not a bad one. Now is it?
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Old 08-06-2005, 01:37 PM   #6
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Well it's certainly not a bad one. Now is it?
Depends on what you're looking to live. I sure as fuck wouldn't want to be too crippled to enjoy what I love in life.

But maybe you're right. Maybe Bret's a moneygrubbing whore who doesn't care that he'll die if he ever does what he loves again.
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Old 08-06-2005, 01:43 PM   #7
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As Bret said, "It's not about the money, it's about the respect". I think he has proven that to be all too true time and time again. He just wants to leave on better terms, cant fault a guy for that. Besides, he isn't gonna do something to put his health in jeapordy.
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Old 08-06-2005, 03:59 PM   #8
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As Bret said, "It's not about the money, it's about the respect". I think he has proven that to be all too true time and time again. He just wants to leave on better terms, cant fault a guy for that. Besides, he isn't gonna do something to put his health in jeapordy.
Yeah, a cripple coming back to McMahon is really respect-worthy.
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Old 08-06-2005, 01:27 PM   #9
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this match shows why HBK should still be wrestling

http://rapidshare.de/files/2424228/W...jamin.wmv.html

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Benjamin vs. Michaels form Raw. 15 minutes of awesome action
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Old 08-06-2005, 02:17 PM   #10
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Michaels has never been the best at anything, at any point in his career. Except at bullshitting everyone around him, including the fans.

He may be better than 85-90% of the people in the business NOW, but that is due to the fact that the business totally sucks ass at this point. Being one of of the best, or the best, at a time when something is on a downward spiral is not an accomplishment at all. It's like becoming the captain of the Titanic as it's sinking.

Bret Hart on the other hand was a damn fine wrestler and performer, for many years, while there was actual competition going on - and the business was on fire. Shawn is supposedly so 'marketable' that he played second fiddle to everyone his entire career; including Bret, and that is where that jealousy comes in.

Shawn is so "important" that he left DX and was completely forgotten about. The four [or five] went on without him, and reached even more success without him there then they probably would have with him there -- considering he'd still have to be the focal point of everything.

Hart was there all the time, doing what was asked of him and being a team player - no matter what company he worked for. At the same time, Michaels was faking injuries & doing whatever he could to prevent himself from helping anyone but himself, as he did and still does believe that he is SHAWN MICHAELS.

Bret Hart knows the difference between Bret Hart and Bret "The Hitman" Hart. He can draw a line between reality and fiction, something that Michaels apparently can't do. The business is a work, and apparently someone forgot to get that memo to Shawn.

Is Michaels a good performer? Yes. Is he a good wrestler? No. Is he going to be listed as one of the biggest stars [modernly]? Yes. Is he the very best of them? No.
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Bret Hart knows the difference between Bret Hart and Bret "The Hitman" Hart. He can draw a line between reality and fiction, something that Michaels apparently can't do. The business is a work, and apparently someone forgot to get that memo to Shawn.
I love Bret, but he has some trouble drawing a line between reality and fiction probably even more so then HBK. Otherwise Bret would not have been upset over getting screwed at Montreal.

Not saying you are wrong just saying should have used a better example then Bret.
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Old 08-06-2005, 04:15 PM   #12
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I love Bret, but he has some trouble drawing a line between reality and fiction probably even more so then HBK. Otherwise Bret would not have been upset over getting screwed at Montreal.

Not saying you are wrong just saying should have used a better example then Bret.
Well the reality is pretty close to the fiction here.

Look at it this way. This IS (or was) his job. This is a major action that would affect the customers' (fans) outlook on his overall competence (His persona and his ability to draw). This was orchestrated by an unethical boss (Vince) and played out with the help of coworkers (Fellow wrestlers/refs).

Yeah, he'd have to buy into a fantasy to have a problem with this. Why, if this happened to me when I worked at Warner Cable, I would have laughed it off and said "Very Funny, Vince."
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I love Bret, but he has some trouble drawing a line between reality and fiction probably even more so then HBK. Otherwise Bret would not have been upset over getting screwed at Montreal
As far as Montreal goes, like you said earlier, you probably used a really bad example there - as I could have used a better example of someone making a seperation of reality and fiction than Hart; but I think he really is reasonable.

Montreal is beyond being a work. When someone promises you something in the ring and then goes against that - that really goes over the kayfabe line bigtime, and gives someone a right to be completely upset.

Just as Vince & Shawn and Hebner promised everything would be on the up and up [and lied about that], Hart could have given his word that he would do a clean match - and then beat the fuck out of Michaels legitimately. We would all be talking about the night Hart knocked the stuffing out of Shawn instead, and Shawn would undoubtedly be bitching about it until today, as Hart complains about the swerve.

Personally, I'd have seen that coming from MILES away - but that is just me. I think it's nice of Bret to put trust into someone you've given your life to for 15+ years [as you would in a marriage], but he should've known it's VKM.


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For example Bret really does live his gimmick about being the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. You see the stuff he writes and in his interviews he really does believe that
With this, if I were a guy who worked for a company for "X" number of years, constantly putting on high quality performances, nearly never missing a date, being a major draw and merchandise mover, and doing everything that they'd asked me to do - AND STAYED LOYAL and turned down money one time after another, and avoided being Captain Politics - I'd call myself that as well.

There is hardly anyone that can say all of that for themselves.

Certainly not Michaels.
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He's up therebut I think eddie is a bit better.
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Also if brock came back he'd own them all.
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Also if brock came back he'd own them all.
Please. brock may be good, but he's not THAT good.
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Also, you're wrong. I'm on my way out the house, so I just want you to think about it for a few hours and know in your heart that you're wrong on so many levels. I don't have but a minute to get into it.

But if you look at what Hart did for the WWF, the dedication he showed the company, the financial hit he took to stay, the way Shawn was behaving, the personal friendshsips involved, and the moral and contractual obligations that the company still owed Bret, thewn there's no way in hell you can reasonably say that Bret "would not have been upset" if he could separate reality from fiction. What the WWF did was real and it was wrong and no man with any ounce of self-respect would just go "Oh well, its part of the business."

Maybe Bret could've let it go sooner, but no way in hell does him being upset at being shit on by the company he worked so hard for meam anything other that Bret hart was a proud man who believed that people should honor thier word.

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Also, you're wrong. I'm on my way out the house, so I just want you to think about it for a few hours and know in your heart that you're wrong on so many levels. I don't have but a minute to get into it.

But if you look at what Hart did for the WWF, the dedication he showed the company, the financial hit he took to stay, the way Shawn was behaving, the personal friendshsips involved, and the moral and contractual obligations that the company still owed Bret, thewn there's no way in hell you can reasonably say that Bret "would not have been upset" if he could separate reality from fiction. What the WWF did was real and it was wrong and no man with any ounce of self-respect would just go "Oh well, its part of the business."

Maybe Bret could've let it go sooner, but no way in hell does him being upset at being shit on by the company he worked so hard for meam anything other that Bret hart was a proud man who believed that people should honor thier word.

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PH, you are right and I don't blame Bret Hart for being mad or upset over it. I should not have limited what I said just to Montreal I should have extended it to his whole career

For example Bret really does live his gimmick about being the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. You see the stuff he writes and in his interviews he really does believe that, and arguably he is the best ever. If it's true or not isn't the point though it's that deep down he really believes it. That is a better example I think then the Montreal one I gave earlier.

I hope you see where I'm coming from this post.

Not trying to take anything a way from Bret, because I love him and think he is one of the best ever.
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