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Old 12-21-2015, 04:41 PM   #1
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Episode VII definitely wipes away the big shit stain that are the prequels.

I found the script was still clunky at times, though; I don't know if that was a homage to the past films as well. lol
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Old 12-21-2015, 07:39 PM   #2
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I don't understand all the hate for the prequels. Sure the 2nd was terrible but it's not like they were awful movies. 3rd movie was hot.
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Old 12-22-2015, 02:49 AM   #3
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I don't understand all the hate for the prequels. Sure the 2nd was terrible but it's not like they were awful movies. 3rd movie was hot.
I watched them last week. They are outright terrible movies. Cinematically dead.
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Old 12-21-2015, 07:53 PM   #4
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Curious to see if Lando shows up as he was the only supporting character missing. I mean,
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Admiral Ackbar and Nien Nunb were there,
so why not bring back Lando?

Also, does anyone know who
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Could also be irrelevant, but isn't Ashoka Tano still out there somewhere in the galaxy?
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:05 PM   #5
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Ashoka Tano's fate still unknown.... Alive in Star Wars: Rebels, but who knows what happens.....

Other than that... yeah, miss Lando.... hope he shows up in the next episode(s).....
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:13 PM   #6
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Episode VIII: Lando Seeks Revenge on the Sith
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:28 PM   #7
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I don't know. I mean... what would having Lando in the movie really add? It would be the equivalent of some over-the-hill wrestler from the 90s making their shitty Rumble appearance for a quick pop. Seems unnecessary.
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:29 PM   #8
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At least Akbar was like a strategist and shit and planned their attack etc
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:33 PM   #9
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Maybe Lando is Finn's dad............. because he's black.
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:16 PM   #10
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Who was the old dude in the beginning?
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:22 PM   #11
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Forgot about old man at beginning. Can't even picture the scene/him. Too much else.
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:50 PM   #12
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Did Max Von Sydow play anyone in the original trilogy? Even if it was unnamed?
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Old 12-21-2015, 10:16 PM   #13
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Lord Vigo the Carpathian.

No.
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Old 12-21-2015, 10:01 PM   #14
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While I've enjoyed the Star Wars series, I've never been a massive fanboy who knows everything religiously. I've only seen 2 and 3 once and can barely remember anything about them (and judging from general consensus, they were poor).

That said...this movie fucking ruled. Loved pretty much all of it. Occasional spottiness in the script but not enough to ruin anything for me. Was so worth it seeing it in IMAX 3D as well.
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:24 PM   #15
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I'm probably one of the only people who enjoyed all three of the prequel movies.

Sure, they're nothing compared to the original trilogy, but they're still great films. Even Episode 1.

The CGI certainly hasn't aged well, though, but a lot of the battles, and especially the lightsaber ones, are amazing to watch.
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What about it didn't you like?
I left feeling very meh.

The story felt very small. I dont know how else to explain that statement. There wasnt an overall grandness to what was happening to me. I had all the nostalgic feels at first, but they went away as the movie progressed. There seemed to be no consequence at anything that happened, and really big shit did happen, but you didnt feel good or bad about it.

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When the republic planets got blown up, you had no connection to them. For example in the new hope, you knew that alderan was leias home, and vader explained beforehand what the station could do before he did it then blew it up in front of her.

This time, you didnt even really know it was coming, and they did it to an entire system, but you didnt really care because you never even got the name of the planets they blew up. Noone was from there and noone cared.


I liked how they did the villain. He was young and struggling with his powers. Not some killing machine like Vader. The tantrums were actually a nice touch. But he seemed like a complete sociopath.

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It was cool to see that he was Hans kid, but you saw it coming that he was going to kill Han. That whole scene was just duuuhhh. And the moment when he gave the sabre to Han like he was going to turn to the light, it felt like he was a sociopath playing with his food. He knew he was going to kill him and he did it that way to make it worse for Han. It looked like there was no inner struggle.


The main characters were done well and acted well, but I dont feel like I know them.

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yes Fin was a stormtrooper taken and brainwashed as a youth, but he broke that programming pretty fast and pretty easy, and when he said what he was, he had no emotion to it and neither did the audience. It was like "this happened" "ok cool... moving on"

Same with Rey. no parents and mysterious past. got it.

WTF happened to Po? He just shows up in an xwing. I mean he has like a 2 second explaination.


Starkiller base was real cool, but
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it was just there. They gave it almost no explaination and blew up a bunch of planets. It also went down the exact same way almost as the Death star.


The movie was almost the exact cut and paste plot as ep IV.
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The movie was almost the exact cut and paste plot as ep IV.
I had a similar feeling but mine was positive it felt familiar enough but with just enough to be different.
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I left feeling very meh.

The story felt very small. I dont know how else to explain that statement. There wasnt an overall grandness to what was happening to me. I had all the nostalgic feels at first, but they went away as the movie progressed. There seemed to be no consequence at anything that happened, and really big shit did happen, but you didnt feel good or bad about it.

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When the republic planets got blown up, you had no connection to them. For example in the new hope, you knew that alderan was leias home, and vader explained beforehand what the station could do before he did it then blew it up in front of her.

This time, you didnt even really know it was coming, and they did it to an entire system, but you didnt really care because you never even got the name of the planets they blew up. Noone was from there and noone cared.


I liked how they did the villain. He was young and struggling with his powers. Not some killing machine like Vader. The tantrums were actually a nice touch. But he seemed like a complete sociopath.

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It was cool to see that he was Hans kid, but you saw it coming that he was going to kill Han. That whole scene was just duuuhhh. And the moment when he gave the sabre to Han like he was going to turn to the light, it felt like he was a sociopath playing with his food. He knew he was going to kill him and he did it that way to make it worse for Han. It looked like there was no inner struggle.


The main characters were done well and acted well, but I dont feel like I know them.

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yes Fin was a stormtrooper taken and brainwashed as a youth, but he broke that programming pretty fast and pretty easy, and when he said what he was, he had no emotion to it and neither did the audience. It was like "this happened" "ok cool... moving on"

Same with Rey. no parents and mysterious past. got it.

WTF happened to Po? He just shows up in an xwing. I mean he has like a 2 second explaination.


Starkiller base was real cool, but
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it was just there. They gave it almost no explaination and blew up a bunch of planets. It also went down the exact same way almost as the Death star.


The movie was almost the exact cut and paste plot as ep IV.
My attempt at debating some of Reavant's points.

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The story did feel small, but that was on purpose. Re-watch episode 4 and you really get the same feeling. Sure, the Deathstar seems like a huge threat on paper, but think about it. Leia didn't even seem all that upset about watching her home planet get blown up. She just sorta sighs. No sobbing, no screaming, just a "well that fucking sucks". It looked like she found out her goldfish died rather than watching billions of people and everyone she ever knew or loved get vaporized. And even when they fight the Deathstar they don't send much of a fleet. Just like this movie the attack consists of a few X-Wings and that's about it. It wasn't until episode 6 that we got a truly grand feeling Deathstar battle.

Did you honestly care when Alderaan blew up? I can honestly say I've never met anyone who did. Sure, Leia was from there, but we as the audience had no real connection to it. It was just there. And like I said in my last paragraph Leia didn't exactly sell it. Hell, she just sorta forgot about it almost immediately and it's never brought up again.

Kylo was too nerdy in my honest opinion. The temper tantrums were laughable. Like seriously it felt like a SNL sketch spoofing Star Wars sometimes when he did that shit. I mean I laughed, but you shouldn't be laughing at the guy who's supposed to be your big villain in a movie like this. It was like watching an 80's cartoon most of the time. I will say though that it's not a problem if they're going somewhere with it. If he evolves from this over time thanks to his training with Snoke then I'll be totally behind it. The idea of a whiny little bitch turning into a badass machine of death is actually a good one, and is what Darth Vader was supposed to be. However, the prequels fucked all that up and Anakin never got the big payoff that should have come from it. Hopefully that's what they're doing with Kylo and it pays off.

The Han death scene I'll give you, but I don't think it was bad. Predictable =/= bad automatically. I feel like they did a good enough job of making it interesting, and I will give them credit for legitimately making me HATE Kylo Ren with a passion. Like I legit cheered out loud when Chewie shot the little bastard. I'll definitely be happy to see him die at the end of all this which is something I can't say I've felt for a bad guy in a movie in a long time. Good on them.

Finn's emotion (or lack thereof) over being a Stormtrooper is kinda understandable. 1) Star Wars isn't exactly known for showing lots of emotion in the first place (see Leia and Alderaan). 2) He was a Stormtrooper for literally 1 day. The dude was seeing his first combat ever and saw what was probably his only friend in the world die in front of him. It's totally understandable that he'd turncoat on the First Order when he never had any real connection to them in the first place. I'm honestly surprised more Stormtroopers didn't/don't turn.

Rey is mysterious for a reason. We're almost certainly learning more about her in the sequel movie. This wasn't meant to tell you everything. This is the first chapter in a series, not a stand alone movie. If they gave everything away now they'd have nothing to give us later.

I'm assuming you mean what happened to Poe after they crashed on Jakku, yes? Well, he tells us. He woke up in the desert after being ejected just like Finn was. Probably found a radio or something and had the Resistance send him a ship to pick him up. Pretty simple. If you mean where did he come from in the first place, well, why does that matter? We never find out much about Han Solo outside "he was a smuggler and pissed off Jaba" and finding even that much out took 3 movies. Like with Rey I say just give it time. They'll probably explain more about him later in another movie. Remember we're getting at least 2 more main series movies and a bunch of spin-off movies too. Hell, they could do an entire movie on each of the three main characters if they wanted, and they probably will.

As for Starkiller base and the comparisons to Episode 4, well, yeah that's exactly how it was. You're either gonna hate that or love it. I feel like they did just enough to make things feel fresh while also keeping a lot of familiar elements to give us that nostalgia feeling. And don't forget that George Lucas once said in an interview that he intended for the trilogies to "mirror" each other. I feel like Abrams was just trying to live up to that but in a good way instead of the shit way Lucas did with the prequels.
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It wasnt bad at all, I just wouldnt go see it again.
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Super convinced that Snoke is Darth Plagueis. The music that plays during the Snoke scene is almost the same track from the scene in ep. 3 when palpatine tells Anakin about him. Kylo Ren describes him as wise and Plagueis was known as Plagueis the wise. Could be coincidence or red herrings but it makes sense. You want to introduce a villain that is a bigger threat than the emporer, why not the emporers master?
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Isn't Darth Plagueis dead? Unless you are saying that Palpatine didn't really kill him.
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Either he survived, and tricked palpatine into thinking he was dead (which might explain all the scars), or Plagueis and Sidious were the true master and apprentice the whole time, and Maul, Dooku, and even Vader were just pawns in their greater schemes.
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He probably did not. The now non-canon novels had a good section on how Plagueis was paranoid enough to have clones of him. Then there's the whole knowledge of the life force etc etc
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I was a little disappointed that there were no really good standout tracks on the ost. Don't get me wrong, it was by no means bad, but if there's one thing the prequels did really great it was the soundtracks. So many good tracks, but in this movie nothing really stood out, besides maybe the song that plays during the final scene, but that's only like 2 minutes.
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Liked this song



But it is a "subtle" song.... not one that you would really go around "humming"....
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But it is a "subtle" song.... not one that you would really go around "humming"....
Joint gave me that "first area of an RPG after you leave the first town" vibe, even while I was in the theater. Possibly even world map material.
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That was another one I was going to mention but even then, they don't hit me like some of the prequel tracks do.

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Thinking back on it, yeah, the prequels really did have a lot of quality tracks and songs. I guess maybe JJ wanted to just play the whole thing more "down low" or whatever....
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Just got back from watching the movie. Definitely a great flick. Felt like a Star Wars movie from start to finish.

That said I also really like almost all of the new characters. They all held their own, especially Po. Even BB wasn't as awful (though I still hate his design).

Had the "big twist"/ending ruined for me by an asshole family member on Facebook though. When they said it I assumed they were kidding cause it just seemed so crazy, but as soon as the pieces fell into place I was like "that fucking bitch!" Still enjoyed it all though.

JJ definitely surprised the hell out of me. I didn't expect this to be this good and it certainly was the best Star Wars related thing I've seen/played/whatever in ages.
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Just got back from watching the movie. Definitely a great flick. Felt like a Star Wars movie from start to finish.

That said I also really like almost all of the new characters. They all held their own, especially Po. Even BB wasn't as awful (though I still hate his design).

Had the "big twist"/ending ruined for me by an asshole family member on Facebook though. When they said it I assumed they were kidding cause it just seemed so crazy, but as soon as the pieces fell into place I was like "that fucking bitch!" Still enjoyed it all though.

JJ definitely surprised the hell out of me. I didn't expect this to be this good and it certainly was the best Star Wars related thing I've seen/played/whatever in ages.
The Clone Wars is really good if you haven't watched it you should its all on Netflix.
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Yeah, I enjoyed Clone Wars. Rebels has been even better in my opinion. Love the characters and their interactions in it. Sorta reminds me of Knights of the Old Republic for some reason.
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Yeah, I enjoyed Clone Wars. Rebels has been even better in my opinion. Love the characters and their interactions in it. Sorta reminds me of Knights of the Old Republic for some reason.
I've heard good things about Rebels plus my girl Ahsoka is in it I've been wanting to see it but I can't seem to catch it my fingers are crossed for Netflix release.
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I've heard good things about Rebels plus my girl Ahsoka is in it I've been wanting to see it but I can't seem to catch it my fingers are crossed for Netflix release.
If you don't mind the quality being a little "meh" there's a site I watch it on that I'd be happy to rep you with. The episodes are usually 480 to 720 so they're not terrible by any means, and they've got all of them plus pretty much any other cartoon you can think of from the last 10 years or so.
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If you don't mind the quality being a little "meh" there's a site I watch it on that I'd be happy to rep you with. The episodes are usually 480 to 720 so they're not terrible by any means, and they've got all of them plus pretty much any other cartoon you can think of from the last 10 years or so.

If you would be so kind.
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