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Old 08-09-2021, 01:55 PM   #1
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Yeah, without his written authorization, it's very unlikely they'd be able to successfully register the trademark of his own name with the USPTO for any of the classes of goods/services (clothing, merch, live entertainment performances, media appearances and performances, etc.) especially if he'd been using his own name prior in selling/marketing/performing for any of those same classes of goods/services.
ok why did the wwe not give him another name that was dumb of them in the begining.
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Old 08-08-2021, 11:31 PM   #2
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I once read that over the last decade Vince changed his mind to see if talent can 'sink or swim' and that's why anytime other people tell him "hey you gotta check out ______ from NXT" if he decides to give them a main roster call-up he intentionally removes some parts of their gimmick that got over in NXT to see if they can 'sink or swim' without what made them a hit.

In theory, that sounds like a good test but if you apply it to wrestlers past it would have hindered so many from getting over. It's sort of the opposite of the Paul Heyman mentality of 'highlight the strengths, hide the weaknesses'.
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:56 AM   #3
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I once read that over the last decade Vince changed his mind to see if talent can 'sink or swim' and that's why anytime other people tell him "hey you gotta check out ______ from NXT" if he decides to give them a main roster call-up he intentionally removes some parts of their gimmick that got over in NXT to see if they can 'sink or swim' without what made them a hit.

In theory, that sounds like a good test but if you apply it to wrestlers past it would have hindered so many from getting over. It's sort of the opposite of the Paul Heyman mentality of 'highlight the strengths, hide the weaknesses'.
Like randomly taking a great Heel like Bobby Roode and making him a generic babyface? I still dont understand why that happened
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:07 AM   #4
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:23 AM   #6
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This is something I mentioned somewhere else, and I stand by this:

Cameron Grimes (aka Steampunk Jimmy Garvin) will have a better main roster career than Karrion Kross. Because there aren't any expectations for him to be some huge star and he's a goofy midcard act that can get over without being too big for its britches.

Also, L.A. Knight will probably get over on the Main Roster as well, for different reasons. Or, failing that, he'll start teaching promo classes.
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Old 08-09-2021, 06:36 AM   #7
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So is HBK generally not liked as a backstage creative person?
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Old 08-09-2021, 08:23 AM   #8
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When he was announced as joining the PC/NXT staff I think many thought he'd reel in some of the PWG 2010 style into better storytelling, instead he's intensified it. I think some wrestlers love that and some are not fans.

I kind of view it as 'what if every match on a show was a Young Bucks match', which is not my thing.
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Old 08-09-2021, 09:00 AM   #9
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Meltzer reporting Vince/Nick Khan's new mantra is 'no more midgets' and 'no one over 30' for NXT.

Now that 'no more midgets' is the mantra I really want them to bring up Gargano and give him a comedy gimmick and put him in the 24/7 scene entirely for the online meltdowns

Just shut down all of NXT at this point, lol. Stupid. People whining about "big guys who look like they can really beat people up" in a fake fucking combat sport are whatever, lol. Except for guys who are super tiny like Adam Cole, I get that.



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Meltzer said there will be some exceptions to the rule of no shorties and no one over 30, as Vince does like Adam Cole, but they will be the rarity going forward.

Rovert noted on Twitter Vince wants to call up a ton of women to RAW.

Adam Cole is going to die on the main roster. He will look like WWE's Marko Stunt against the likes of nearly anyone. Rey Mysterio is WWE's Paul Titan compared to Cole. Speaking of, Paul Titan to AEW please. Right god damn now. That dude "goes hard in the gym".



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And for the record Triple H definitely showed that he could build a nationally touring brand from nothing. Sure with the help of the hottest indy stars of the time, but still he made it happen and it was something that Vince never would have done. Triple H hasn't failed with NXT, Vince got his hands on it and either by shitting on the NXT stars pushed to the main roster or Kevin Dunn... IDK what the exact cause is but Vince ruined NXT.

Good lord is NXT years past an amazing watch. Nearly any Takeover from a few years back is a great watch. Nakamura and Zayn immediately come to mind. Shit, really any NXT Nakamura is gold.




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Old 08-09-2021, 01:52 PM   #10
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Old 08-09-2021, 03:12 PM   #12
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I buy that argument for big stars, but I doubt any of these NXT releases are on the Networks or Partners radar.
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Old 08-10-2021, 12:24 AM   #13
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Parrow's post made me at first like "How would he know?"

Then I remembered, and was like... "Ok... that makes sense."
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Old 08-10-2021, 02:34 AM   #14
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Soooo Bray Wyatt still with WWE?
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Old 08-10-2021, 07:32 AM   #15
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If they want to push the big scary looking guys that’s fine, but I’ve not seen much evidence they know how to do that.

Lashley - had to leave the company and rebuild his image, came back and got put in two all time shitty feuds with Sami and Rusev
Drew - had to leave the company and rebuild his image
Sheamus - has had his ups and downs, the one time they pushed him as top guy they made him a bland smiling babyface who said Fella a lot
Priest - treading water feuding with Miz and Morrison
Viking Raiders - the Viking Experience
Keith Lee - ugh
Mace and T-Bar - LOL
Omos - extremely limited, just kinda stands there
Titus - theyve tried but nothing has worked, basically a big lovable dork who does charity work
Big E - seemed happy being part of an all time great faction, we’ll see how this one plays out
Corbin - made the most unwatchable character in wrestling and used as the scapegoat for bad ratings
Azeez - just kinda stands there
Roman - seems like they finally got it right but man did it take a long time to get there

And that’s just guys currently active on the main roster. Not a lot of home runs there. But I’m sure bringing in a bunch of brand new big guys with no experience will solve the problems.
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Old 08-10-2021, 10:11 AM   #16
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If they want to push the big scary looking guys that’s fine, but I’ve not seen much evidence they know how to do that.

Lashley - had to leave the company and rebuild his image, came back and got put in two all time shitty feuds with Sami and Rusev
Drew - had to leave the company and rebuild his image
Sheamus - has had his ups and downs, the one time they pushed him as top guy they made him a bland smiling babyface who said Fella a lot
Priest - treading water feuding with Miz and Morrison
Viking Raiders - the Viking Experience
Keith Lee - ugh
Mace and T-Bar - LOL
Omos - extremely limited, just kinda stands there
Titus - theyve tried but nothing has worked, basically a big lovable dork who does charity work
Big E - seemed happy being part of an all time great faction, we’ll see how this one plays out
Corbin - made the most unwatchable character in wrestling and used as the scapegoat for bad ratings
Azeez - just kinda stands there
Roman - seems like they finally got it right but man did it take a long time to get there

And that’s just guys currently active on the main roster. Not a lot of home runs there. But I’m sure bringing in a bunch of brand new big guys with no experience will solve the problems.
i can almost see big cass come back to wwe, impact rebuilt him like they did lashley and drew. wwe needs to have a deal with impact to build wwe stars.
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i can almost see big cass come back to wwe, impact rebuilt him like they did lashley and drew. wwe needs to have a deal with impact to build wwe stars.
Yeah they probably should bring him back. You shouldn't be that big and ripped and talented and not work for WWE. He'd also be awesome as a monster in NJPW.
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They had a big hit with Rusev with his US Championship run, then they yanked the rug out of from under him, split him and Lana up, and put Rusev in the League of Nations. Then Rusev got himself over again and WWE yanked the rug out again.

Braun Strowman was the hottest thing in wrestling during his “I’m not finished with you!” feud with Roman, then WWE yanked the rug out from under him and completely nerfed him for a quick Shield reunion.

I don’t know how fresh new talent is going to solve that.
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Still sad for Shinsuke and what he is today. Gonna go watch old NXT to feel better.
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Still sad for Shinsuke and what he is today. Gonna go watch old NXT to feel better.
I am too, but from the rumormill, he doesn't really give a shit. He's happy to be there and makes enough money to literally fuck off to go surfing when he's not throwing himself at the ground for a living It's nice that he's happy, but THE WORLD could have gotten more in a legit international star. I was super amazed at how crowds took to him to the point where he was not only not getting "WHAT?" chants when he would speak, the crowd would shut the fuck up in a similar way to when Mark Henry used to do his babyface crowd volume thing until he was done talking, then pop for pretty much anything he said.

(note: this was born partially out of where I was going to go eariler, but as I stated, I can't exactly follow the same stream of conciousness ) Circling back to a thing I know I've mentioned before: I kinda feel bad for, of all people, Triple H. I legit think his plan was to actually *address* most of WWE's problems with lack of star power with call ups and pushes up the entire card while he was fucking around with XFL 2.0. By the time he would've looked, he might not have liked the roster at first glance, but with all the fresh faces and moving merch, he'd have been a fool to just change gears with what was supposed to be working.

Then, Vince panic scrapped that when the pandemic shutdowns hit full swing, and all his attention was back on his baby. And that led to a faster transition of NXT becoming more like the main roster instead of the main roster being like the hot NXT of old. All the far reaching plans like UE or Walter fell away (unaided by shitheads like Patrick Clark), and now the product goes right back into the cesspool of what has always been plaguing it.
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Has Cass gotten better on the indies or something? I remember him being really awkward and boring in the ring. Doesn’t seem like the New Japan type
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Has Cass gotten better on the indies or something? I remember him being really awkward and boring in the ring. Doesn’t seem like the New Japan type
you need to watch impact they know how to book him
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Has Cass gotten better on the indies or something? I remember him being really awkward and boring in the ring. Doesn’t seem like the New Japan type
Bad Luck Fale and Chase Owens are a New Japan type, by that truth ANYBODY can work in NJPW.
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Bad Luck Fale and Chase Owens are a New Japan type, by that truth ANYBODY can work in NJPW.
I saw Bad Luck Fale in a couple of those ridiculous 10 man tags they like to do and thought he seemed to fit the role well.

Cass has the look but seems to move around like a fragile old man.
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Good for you. I'm not saying he isn't worthy of love, just that he's rather unspectacular in multiple ways. So if a guy like Chase or Fale can become "New Japan" guys, there is no argument that anyone that has worked for WWE, especially that went through the FCW or Performance Center development can't adapt to become "New Japan guys". I mean really what does it take? Wrestle harder? More germans, more lariats trade strikes and chops and yell like an anime character? It's not that much different.
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Only going to get much worse based on the recent rumors of another big wave of cuts arriving soon.

Vince's recent visit to the Performance Center with a bunch of high level WWE officials really does feel like it was a Trojan Horse moment for NXT and the scouting wasn't for main roster call-ups but instead to personally see who should get cut and who gets to stay for the time being.
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I saw on twitter people were saying there were more 'comedy' segments on NXT tonight and that they brought up Ilja Dragonuv who is facing Walter for the NXT UK Title but had him lose clean in his regular NXT debut.
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I saw on twitter people were saying there were more 'comedy' segments on NXT tonight and that they brought up Ilja Dragonuv who is facing Walter for the NXT UK Title but had him lose clean in his regular NXT debut.
They did a main roster style booked finish but worse since the shenanigans with WALTER didn't really play a decisive role in the actual finish.

WALTER came out for the heel music distraction but instead of ending the match right there with Dunne getting a cheap sneaky win, they had them wrestle a bit longer making you think Ilja was going to over come the odds. Instead Dunne just hits him with his finisher clean moments later for the win anyways. Then they did main roster style 50-50 booking with having Ilja beat up WALTER so he could stand tall to end the show.
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Indi Hartwell and Dexter Lumis storyline seems like the most interesting thing in NXT by far (other than Cameron Grimes maybe) even though lots of people seem to hate it
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This stuff is great. Apparently Austin Theory ran away and is living somewhere "Half Naked in the Wilderness"

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I would honestly like to see some the cut talent filter to NWA. Make that shit a viable location that people would seek out instead of perpetually getting their thunder stolen by AEW.
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I would honestly like to see some the cut talent filter to NWA. Make that shit a viable location that people would seek out instead of perpetually getting their thunder stolen by AEW.
Same. Thus far everyone has gone to work for AEW or Impact but there is also ROH which I think is a better financial option than NWA, but seem to be hiring new talent even less. I hope both ROH and NWA get some new talent coming in. I don't think NWA is destined for success at this point but we shall see. I guess you can put MLW on that list too even though I think that they are a big disappointment.
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This is a result of all the talent hoarding that went on a few years ago. I have no doubt that the released wrestlers fill find work and use it as an opportunity to rebuild themselves. Even those who weren't fortunate enough to get the WWE rub via active participation.
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This is a result of all the talent hoarding that went on a few years ago since about 2004 onward. I have no doubt that the released wrestlers fill find work and use it as an opportunity to rebuild themselves. Even those who weren't fortunate enough to get the WWE rub via active participation.
Went and fixed that for you. Granted, you were specifically talking about trying to keep people under contract to prevent them filtering to AEW, but WWE had been signing people to developmental contracts willy nilly for nearly two decades now if they had any kind of buzz around them whatsoever. The numbers have increased over time, and that's just since they started the developmental system. Remember: near the tail end of WCW, (before the buyout and failed invasion angle) when they started circling the drain, WWE was signing guys from there because seemingly because they could to rub it in. There was no fucking way they were going to seriously push Haku- but they deprived the other guys of Meng, and that was good enough to take a victory lap with.
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