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Old 08-17-2004, 01:17 AM   #361
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Wow, the heat on HHH, is growing, one thing have to give him credit, no one has played a better heel role in last few years like him
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:18 AM   #362
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That was so awesome. I didn't think they'd do it, until HHH suddenly put his thumb upside down. It looked like Orton suddenly dropped a load on Batista.
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:18 AM   #363
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:18 AM   #364
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So I take it that the rumored Orton/Jericho feud weren't true?



Anyways, nice twist at the end. I kinda figured that Hunter would go after Orton for taking "his" title, but I wasn't sure they were going to do it right off the bat. Anyways, let's see if Randy's gotten any better at being a face than his first failed run.
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DAMNIT! thank God i taped that... now i can watch when Orton was happy.. and that sweet ass video montage of him...
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:19 AM   #366
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At Unforgiven we won't even see a World Title defense., watch it's going to be Orton, Eugene, and Benoit v. Evolution.
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HHH letting someone else hold HIS title? I think not. That's what I'm talking about. I'm in aggreement with everyone though. Should've held off on this turn.
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:22 AM   #370
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where was Eugene tonight anyways? i just miss him?
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So I take it that the rumored Orton/Jericho feud weren't true?



Anyways, nice twist at the end. I kinda figured that Hunter would go after Orton for taking "his" title, but I wasn't sure they were going to do it right off the bat. Anyways, let's see if Randy's gotten any better at being a face than his first failed run.
Randy was a face for like a week though.

And there was never a rumored Y2J/Orton match. Don't know who said that, but it was never reported. It was rumored Benoit before HHH.
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what music and titan tron is Orton gonna use now? i hope he dont go back to his old stuff.. maybe new music but they for his tron they should use that Montage video from tonight...
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damn.. i still cant get over that turn..
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:24 AM   #374
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They waited longer when HHH turned on Eugene. I can't believe how quick it was. But that turn was something else.
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Damn that sucked. I knew it was gonna happen but with before it happened I didnt think it was gonna be tonight. Damn HHH vs Orton. Im a big fan of both and now I dont know who to go for.
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Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".

Anyway, they did a lot of damage to Orton after seemingly creating a new star. I dont get why they would have Orton come out and rip on the fans if they planned on turning him at the end of the night. You would think they would want him to get over, but I guess that doesn't make sense to them.

Now what they've done is they have a World Champion who is now at best a tweener. He cant be an ultra babyface because he's been ripping on the fans. I mean he might become a big face down the road, but I dont see the fans immediately getting behind him or feel sorry for him. And now he's lost the connection to the cool badass faction that rules the company. The way I see it he's in no man's land.

Also, now it seems like Hunter has to win the title at Unforgiven. I mean they have to do the match next month because with Orton as a face he cant duck Hunter, so they have to pull the trigger. I guess that means you have Orton chase Hunter to Mania, but now you've got a one month title reign which hurts the belt and the guy who had the belt. And also, the match will seem less special because people will have seen it on a lesser PPV a few months prior.

Also hurt by all this is Benoit, who was a total afterthought. Looks like he'll be fed to Batista next month, for what I'm sure will be a JOB.

I dont know, I think they made some big mistakes here tonight. I guess we'll see how it goes, but this reeks of another angle ruined in order to make HHH look superior to everyone else.
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Anyone else smell and Edge to Evolution next week then he gets the shot at Unforgiven?
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I did. The minute Trips made his speech to Orton earlier, I saw it coming.
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Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".
Very typical. It really blows tho.
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Anyone else smell and Edge to Evolution next week then he gets the shot at Unforgiven?
Its possible, but if this whole Evo turn on Orton is based on Hunter being pissed that Orton got the title instead of him, it makes absolutely no sense for HHH to let anyone other than himself to get the next title shot.

I mean they could do a thing where Orton says HHH shouldn't get a shot because he doesn't deserve it, but then Orton looks like a punk (re heel) and obviously thats not where they are going.

I think they've painted themselves in a corner to have HHH vs Orton next month.
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Anyone else smell and Edge to Evolution next week then he gets the shot at Unforgiven?
That wouldn't make any sense at all. Edge sees Orton get beat down because he has the belt an is not HHH, so next he joins with HHH and goes for the belt? If he were to win, shouldn't he expect the same thing to happen to him? No logic behind that one.
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Its possible, but if this whole Evo turn on Orton is based on Hunter being pissed that Orton got the title instead of him, it makes absolutely no sense for HHH to let anyone other than himself to get the next title shot.

I mean they could do a thing where Orton says HHH shouldn't get a shot because he doesn't deserve it, but then Orton looks like a punk (re heel) and obviously thats not where they are going.

I think they've painted themselves in a corner to have HHH vs Orton next month.
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Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".

Anyway, they did a lot of damage to Orton after seemingly creating a new star. I dont get why they would have Orton come out and rip on the fans if they planned on turning him at the end of the night. You would think they would want him to get over, but I guess that doesn't make sense to them.

Now what they've done is they have a World Champion who is now at best a tweener. He cant be an ultra babyface because he's been ripping on the fans. I mean he might become a big face down the road, but I dont see the fans immediately getting behind him or feel sorry for him. And now he's lost the connection to the cool badass faction that rules the company. The way I see it he's in no man's land.

Also, now it seems like Hunter has to win the title at Unforgiven. I mean they have to do the match next month because with Orton as a face he cant duck Hunter, so they have to pull the trigger. I guess that means you have Orton chase Hunter to Mania, but now you've got a one month title reign which hurts the belt and the guy who had the belt. And also, the match will seem less special because people will have seen it on a lesser PPV a few months prior.

Also hurt by all this is Benoit, who was a total afterthought. Looks like he'll be fed to Batista next month, for what I'm sure will be a JOB.

I dont know, I think they made some big mistakes here tonight. I guess we'll see how it goes, but this reeks of another angle ruined in order to make HHH look superior to everyone else.

couldnt have said it better myself...
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Holy fuck, just watched that over, the crowd is so loud you can't even hear what JR and the King are saying, you can hear their voices but not what they are saying
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At least Chris Benoit and Eddie Guererro are going back to the midcards where they belong now. I see nothing wrong with the WWE after tonight.
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:41 AM   #392
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Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".

Anyway, they did a lot of damage to Orton after seemingly creating a new star. I dont get why they would have Orton come out and rip on the fans if they planned on turning him at the end of the night. You would think they would want him to get over, but I guess that doesn't make sense to them.

Now what they've done is they have a World Champion who is now at best a tweener. He cant be an ultra babyface because he's been ripping on the fans. I mean he might become a big face down the road, but I dont see the fans immediately getting behind him or feel sorry for him. And now he's lost the connection to the cool badass faction that rules the company. The way I see it he's in no man's land.

Also, now it seems like Hunter has to win the title at Unforgiven. I mean they have to do the match next month because with Orton as a face he cant duck Hunter, so they have to pull the trigger. I guess that means you have Orton chase Hunter to Mania, but now you've got a one month title reign which hurts the belt and the guy who had the belt. And also, the match will seem less special because people will have seen it on a lesser PPV a few months prior.

Also hurt by all this is Benoit, who was a total afterthought. Looks like he'll be fed to Batista next month, for what I'm sure will be a JOB.

I dont know, I think they made some big mistakes here tonight. I guess we'll see how it goes, but this reeks of another angle ruined in order to make HHH look superior to everyone else.

YEAH, it was definately rushed and a lot of us have been saying for months that it should be slow. But what's done is done and we'll just have to see how the WWE has this booked.

It was a good turn as I didn't see it coming. It was in the back of my mind, but I really didn't think they would do it tonight.

So, where do they go now? Well, I really hope they don't give HHH the Title until at least Survivor Series if he's getting it already. But I don't know how else they would book this thing where Orton isn't fighting HHH right away. There is no heel opponents for him to go against.

Yea, they pretty much fk'ed up here. If HHH does get the Title at Unforgiven, the only way I see Orton not getting hurt is if HHH wins with a lot of bullshit and stuff. No clean win or even close to one.
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:42 AM   #393
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:42 AM   #394
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Cynick, you are so right.

After tonight, these are the things I am now pissed at:

1) Orton is out of Evolution. Evolution's theme song perfectly fit the World Heavyweight Champion. Now Jim Johnstone or some other fucker has to come up with a brand new theme. They'll probably come up with one like Shelton Benjamin's. All shitty.

2) Where does this leave one Mr. Rabid Wolverine, Chris Benoit? A stellar fued with Batista because Batista threw Benoit into the steps? I'll pay $35 to see Benoit/Batista (NOT).

3) Will there be a replacement for Orton's spot? You know, this is where a SEAN O'HAIRE would have fit very nicely in, or a Mark Jindrak... or as I think about it... maybe Maven? But not a Garrison Cade.

4) Orton is now a "Face". That fucking blows. The reason we LOVE Randy Orton is because he is a HEEL. Face Orton will not be as cool as Heel Orton.
- Just like The Rock. The Rock was tidious, hackneyed and boring after a while. But when HollyRock came back to the WWE in time for WM19, he was out of control awesome.

5) Just an observation: Did anyone see that GOLDEN RAZOR BLADE that Orton left in the middle of the ring? Or was that a piece of the gold confetti. It looked like the blade to me. How ridiculous is a GOLD Razor Blade?


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Old 08-17-2004, 01:46 AM   #395
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:47 AM   #396
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At least Chris Benoit and Eddie Guererro are going back to the midcards where they belong now. I see nothing wrong with the WWE after tonight.
Benoit just lost his title last night, jackass. He will probably face Batista at the PPV, and I see it more as a way to cement Batista's status to the upper midcard rather than to bring Benoit back to midcard hell. Guerrero just faced Kurt Angle, and they are both definitely main eventers. Just because someone is not in possession of the title or fighting for it doesn't mean they are midcarders.
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Old 08-17-2004, 01:47 AM   #397
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No way. Mark Jindrack, Garrison Cade, Maven? Hell no.. I'd go with HBK or Edge.
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Typical WWE mistake, they take an angle that should have run for 3 or 4 months and they blew their load in 30 minutes. Morons!

Also, could that have been any more predicatble? "Evolution is with you"...geez, I was waiting for Hunter to go "I swear man we're NOT going to turn on you....I swear bro! No really.....I swear!".

Anyway, they did a lot of damage to Orton after seemingly creating a new star. I dont get why they would have Orton come out and rip on the fans if they planned on turning him at the end of the night. You would think they would want him to get over, but I guess that doesn't make sense to them.

Now what they've done is they have a World Champion who is now at best a tweener. He cant be an ultra babyface because he's been ripping on the fans. I mean he might become a big face down the road, but I dont see the fans immediately getting behind him or feel sorry for him. And now he's lost the connection to the cool badass faction that rules the company. The way I see it he's in no man's land.
Of course they aren't the same people, but I remember the SD that John Cena turned face, and he had made fun of the crowd earlier in the night. So pending on how the crowd reacts to him in the coming weeks, I don't see Orton having too much trouble turning face.
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YEAH, it was definately rushed and a lot of us have been saying for months that it should be slow. But what's done is done and we'll just have to see how the WWE has this booked.

It was a good turn as I didn't see it coming. It was in the back of my mind, but I really didn't think they would do it tonight.

So, where do they go now? Well, I really hope they don't give HHH the Title until at least Survivor Series if he's getting it already. But I don't know how else they would book this thing where Orton isn't fighting HHH right away. There is no heel opponents for him to go against.

Yea, they pretty much fk'ed up here. If HHH does get the Title at Unforgiven, the only way I see Orton not getting hurt is if HHH wins with a lot of bullshit and stuff. No clean win or even close to one.
Whats funny is that I'm sitting here and I watched the HHH-Orton segment and I thought "ah shit they are going to do the turn tonight, man it would be awesome if they dragged it out". Then Batista put Randy on his shoulders and I just shook my head.

Yeah like you said, there's no logical way for HHH vs Orton to not happen at Unforgiven. Like I said, the only way to get out of it is a multi person match. I mean even Edge, who would make sense for Randy cant do it because he still has the IC title and seems destined to face JEricho at Unforgiven.

Oh dont worry, when HHH gets the title back it will be full of ref bumps, Evo run-ins and sledgehammer shots, but the bottom line is that the fans will see Orton only held the title for one month. Thats a tough way to create a new top babyface. I actually made the mistake of thinking Orton would be protected better, but it doesn't seem thats going to happen.
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