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Old 11-22-2006, 09:27 PM   #361
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hahaha I went to JD Drew's first game in Philadelphia ever. I was like 8 and he was with the Cardinals, everyone had JD Boo signs and were throwing batteries at him.
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:00 AM   #362
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Not sure, but I think JD Drew might have played for the St. Paul Saints, an independent team here, when he didn't want to sign with whoever drafted him. Not positive though.
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:09 AM   #363
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Just looked it up on Wikipedia, among the notable players to play for them: JD Drew, Darryl Strawberry, Kevin Millar, Jack Morris and Bull Durham. Really random, I never knew the Kevin Millar one.
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Old 11-23-2006, 04:10 AM   #364
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Jesus how the HELL is Gary Mathews Jr gettig 10mil a year?
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Old 11-23-2006, 10:01 AM   #365
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like I said, he made a nice catch last year.
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Old 11-23-2006, 01:45 PM   #366
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I think Torii Hunter is making 10 mil a year and he is not much better. I still think Torii is the gold standard for defensive outfielders, but his contract is a bit extreme.
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I don't think there is a team out there that would take GMJ over Hunter if they had the choice of either on the same salary
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:39 PM   #368
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Isn't GMJ 31 or something too?
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Old 11-23-2006, 02:41 PM   #369
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32 according to an earlier post I think
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Old 11-23-2006, 05:01 PM   #370
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I simply think that you are giving too much credit to the winning teams of 2002-04. Outside of four or five players, they were team's full of role players that were able to play great together. What happened was pretty simple, they had good seasons with the Twins, got too expensive, and now most of them are out of the league or in role playing roles for non-contending teams.

The team in 2006 was actually talented, Mauer was the first overall pick and Cuddyer and Morneau were both top prospects in the league at one point. Castillo is a veteran and better hitter than any Twins infielder from 2002-2004. Then Nathan, Santana, Liriano are among the top pitchers in the league, while Radke and the bullpen are all great as well. They came together and won faster than expected.

As for 2005, I would hardly call that running a team into the ground (even though you were clearly being sarcastic to an extent). First of all, the team finished above 500, second of all one of the team's that finished ahead of them won the World Series. With all of the young players on that team, that was not a bad season.

A lot of Minnesotans dislike Gardy, really I can't understand it. I mean maybe after Rivas and Guzman never really improved, and then the disappointing finish to 2005, but I think 2006 showed that he is not a bad manager.
You just made my argument for me.

Tom Kelly had a team full of role players, he coached the shit out of players like Mientkewicz(who hated Kelly yet without Kelly Doug would be in the minor leagues still), Guzy, AJ, etc. He coached up shitty players, who we then traded for better players. Do you see what I'm saying? You're trying to get all specific on me, showing me where they are now, but you don't realize that your logic is backwards?

Tom Kelly won with a worse team. Gardy now has a better team, that was built by Tom Kelly. You think, nah, TK's players aren't here -- oh, but they are. The team became competitive, it was exciting. The players gained notoriety. Players that were awesome here became headcases and losers elsewhere. We traded Knoblauch I think for Milton, Guzman, uh wasn't Johan part of that trade? I don't remember, I just know the Knoblauch trade gave us a lot of talent, then Knobby went nuts. We built up those players, and some of them, like AJ, resulted in a lot of talent coming our way. Nathan is mentioned with the top closers in the majors. AJ got cut after we traded him. Liriano, if his arm improves, will be a stud.

What I said from the start is, you can't say that Gardy is a good coach because he had one good season. He has the fucking Cy Young and MVP. When was the last Minnesota MVP? Was there ever? The last Cy Young winner in MN was Jack Morris in 88. We had the best hitter in baseball, first time I think since Puckett. Just because players from the TK era aren't here, doesn't mean that the team wasn't built by him. But where it matters -- game management, and defense, our team has shit itself under Gardy.

Remember, also: Under TK, the Twins weren't allowed to spend any money. They have loosened up the last three years. That's why Shannon Stewart is still here, and all of our best players; if they were here 5 years ago, they'd be gone. Probably traded for prospects, prospects who will come into maturity oh, I don't know, about right now?

My brother just raised a very good point: How many playoff wins does Gardenhire have?

We won executive of the year, MVP, batting champ and Cy Young, yet got swept. What's missing? Look on startribune.com today, in the sports section. Patrick Reusse discusses the missing piece to a World Series this year: The guy who doesn't know how to coach postseason baseball.
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Old 11-23-2006, 08:24 PM   #371
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BTW: AJ didn't get cut after you traded him. He played 1 year in SF before signing as a free agent with us.

And Tom Kelly was the fucking man.
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Old 11-24-2006, 12:20 AM   #372
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None of these players won until Gardenhire was the manager, that is the flaw of your whole argument.

As for Knoblauch, he was a key member of the Yankees teams that won like three World Series' before he officially went nuts, so that is misleading. I think the trade brough Milton, Guzman and one other solid player though.

Not trying to be a dick, but reading your post, it almost seems like you don't know that Gardenhire was the manager beginning in 2002. You gave TK credit for winning the division three years in a row, when the Twins had not won before that for 10 years.

Basically, no Twins player coached by Kelly reached their full potential until Gardy took over. You can blame that some on maturity, but I think there is a lot more than that.

This isn't me being against TK, it is just me saying that Gardy needs a little more respect than he is getting. I was shocked when people suggested firing him midway through this season. Fire Kevin McHale, fire Glen Mason, fire Dan Monson, fire Brad Childress before Gardenhire. C'mon.
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Old 11-24-2006, 03:01 PM   #373
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Source: Astros sign Lee to six-year, $100M deal

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Carlos Lee is staying in Texas, but not with the Rangers.
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A source told ESPN's Jayson Stark that the Houston Astros were set to announce Friday afternoon that they have signed the free-agent slugger to a six-year, $100 million deal. The only significant non-monetary clause in the contract is that Lee will have a complete no-trade clause for the first four years of the contract and a limited no-trade for the final two years.
The Astros were one of several teams bidding for Lee, joining the Philadelphia Phillies, who failed to land Alfonso Soriano; Baltimore Orioles, who Stark previously reported had made serious overtures to Lee; and San Francisco Giants.
"We're in the mix, definitely," Orioles vice president Jim Duquette said Tuesday.
Lee batted .300 with 37 homers, 116 RBI and 19 steals with Texas and Milwaukee this year.
"He's a nice-looking player, someone who would definitely draw some interest," Phillies GM Pat Gillick said Monday, adding he has spoken to Lee's representatives.
Lee earned $8.5 million last season. Soriano's deal with the Chicago Cubs, which averages $17 million per year.
The 30-year-old outfielder has averaged 33 homers and 111 RBI over the last four seasons. He's also been durable, having played at least 150 games in six of his eight seasons in the majors.
Lee is listed at 6-foot-2 and 240 pounds and there have been questions about him being out of shape, but Gillick said his size isn't a concern.
"Lee is a heck of an athlete," Gillick said.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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Yowza.

All this money being thrown around this year.

Maybe the 'stros got a shot this year.
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The Astros have no chance this year, yeah they got Berkman, Lee, Biggio, etc. But you just lost Clemens and Pettite and if neither one of them re-signs, that's a lot of wins to replace.

And all that is assuming Lidge can get his shit together
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The Astros have no chance this year, yeah they got Berkman, Lee, Biggio, etc. But you just lost Clemens and Pettite and if neither one of them re-signs, that's a lot of wins to replace.

And all that is assuming Lidge can get his shit together
But they do have Woody Williams!!!
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Diamondbacks acquired LHP Doug Davis, LHP Dana Eveland and OF Dave Krynzel from the Brewers for C Johnny Estrada, RHP Claudio Vargas and RHP Greg Aquino.

This one's a head scratcher for sure.
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Old 11-25-2006, 06:23 PM   #378
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This one's a head scratcher for sure.

Does nothing for either team

Estrada has really fallen off.

I thought for sure he would be the NLs elite catcher by now. But he lost it the last 3 years.
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Carlos Lee got 100 mil? Matthews got 50 mil? What the fuck is going on
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Estrada was very effective behind the plate this year. Now they have...no one.
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The Orioles and Danys Baez have reportedly agreed to terms on a three-year deal worth $5 million-$6 million per season.


According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, the Dodgers have emerged as the favorites to sign Randy Wolf.

The Giants and David Roberts are still hammering out the final details of a three-year deal worth $5 million-$6 million per year.


The Giants may wait until after the Dec. 1 arbitration deadline to ink Rich Aurilia, who is expected to get a two- or a three-year deal.


The Giants are talking to free agent Gregg Zaun as a possible replacement for Mike Matheny.


Rangers officials recently flew into Arizona to meet with Mark Mulder's agents.
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Baez has the potential to be a pretty good setup man for Chris Ray.

At least the Giants are finally doing something, though I don't think Dave Roberts and Rich Aurilla are going to save them from being one of the worst teams in baseball next year.
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He's in his 40's (Roberts), god bless him, but I'm stunned that I guy that's been nothing more than a platoon player for so much of his career is about to sign a multi year deal worth as much as 5 or 6 million a season.
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I really want to like the RedSox, I like Manny and I like Pappi, but there are guys on that team I don't like, adding J.D. Drew to the mix, will put them over the top as a team I cannot like. They aren't helping their case in my eyes.
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Adding J.D. Drew isn't going to help them beat the Yankees either. Why would anybody invest in a player who is not only injury prone, but then he has a good year and then opts out on the team that took a chance on him to begin with.
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He's in his 40's (Roberts), god bless him, but I'm stunned that I guy that's been nothing more than a platoon player for so much of his career is about to sign a multi year deal worth as much as 5 or 6 million a season.
Haha, Roberts isn't in his 40's. He's 34.
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Yeah, kind of happy Drew is being targeted by the Red Sox. I really don't see him having a huge impact, but he will lock up quite a bit of money for them.
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BTW, why are the Sox looking for a right fielder when they have Wily Mo Pena? Everything I've heard before the season ended was that he was gonna take over for Trot(man) Nixon.
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Haha, Roberts isn't in his 40's. He's 34.
I was sure he was. WTF? Well that changes things a little bit. I really thought he was like 40-41.
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He's never has 500 ABs in a season (Roberts) ONly 3 times has he had more than 400, he has 21 career HRs and has a career .270 batting avg. If that now equals 5 million a season, WOW.
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Yeah well, Juan Pierre isnt that much better statistically and he got double that.

Also,

Dodgers sign Randy Wolf for 1 yr/8 mil

and

Phillies sign Adam Eaton for 3 yrs/24 mil
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Pierre has been basically the hits leader in many of his MLB seasons in the NL. He's avg. more than 200 a year in the last 3 (off the top of my head, maybe more) and he also plays in every game, he has in the last 3 season that I remember for sure. He like Roberts won't hit HRs but Pierre is stages ahead of Roberts. I will say, he needs to steal more bases and be thrown pout alot less than he currently is to really become an elite players on the base paths. Roberts too gets thrown out way too much (if I hadn't mentioned that earlier)
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^ career 300+ batting avg. too
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Chad Bradford to sign with the Orioles

They are also adding Scott Williamson......so they've added 4 relievers to their shit bullpen (Bradford, Williamson, Walker, Baez)

If the Mets don't get a Zito or Schmidt I'd say their 2007 chances are gone
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